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Re: Best low profile video cards available (July 2015)

Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:44 pm

yes. 63c, with s#itty thermal paste, running at 1080p, aa 8x, triple buffer, vsync.

there's plenty of room to overclock. i'm way too far from 80 brother. i find your lack of faith disturbing. :roll:

my guess....

maybe the 750ti from msi is not as hot as the other brands, making the mod possible. the other possibility is that since i didn't do any cleaning, the thermal paste from msi could have been well spread on the gpu, allowing a perfect heat conduction, which led to a lucky temp. but even if i got lucky, you would have to get extremely bad luck to go from 63 to 80c on full load. i believe that even the most unexperienced will get a good temp. the board itself is not that hot as the other brands.

and maybe, the aluminum heatsink i got is not so bad at all.

i bet i can go way cooler with artic silver.

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Re: Best low profile video cards available (July 2015)

Tue May 10, 2016 8:05 am

Not at all, no. I will post load temperature graph for the MSI card. The thing is that under Furmark/Kombustor load the stock two-slot extruded aluminum heatsink heats up fast so much that it burns my finger when touched. And the little flimsy fans don't do a s**t. Because they simply can't, being that there is so little space between the heatsink and the PSU wall.. And the type of thermal paste does not matter here.
But you are welcome to post your Afterburner temp graphs :P
BTW that GT 740 heatsink base plate probably is nickel-plated copper. Anyway, such flimsy cooling solution is very strange for a 64W TDP card that the GT 740 is after all.
 
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (July 2015)

Sun May 15, 2016 2:14 pm

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This is a typical MSI GTX 750 ti Low Profile load temperature graph. Note how clockspeed is throttled down to 1020 MHz from 1163 MHz and the TDP is throttled to ~75% of the nominal once the temperature reaches 80 degC and the thermal limit sets in. Obviously, this cannot be called cool operation.
 
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (July 2015)

Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:04 pm

I do love the 750 ti, I think it's a phenomenal piece of gpu technology, for what it can do for the SFF folks..

So, Pascal is out, as is Polaris 10. And frankly, they don't impress. Same, even higher power draw for not a huge increase in performance. Maybe some LP cards will come out based on GP107 and Polaris 11, but I don't see the possibilty of a huge performance increase over the 750 ti...

So, it could very well be that gtx 750 ti is relevant for SFF for some time to come, who knows?

I actually like ZOTAC LP card better than the MSI card. It has a better build (the MSI card did not even have thermal pads on VRAM and had a slightly bent PCB), has a higher stock maximum boost clock, and, for what it it's worth, it has a place for a 6pin pcie connector. Yes, it does have one. Just the holes. But, they must be there for a reason. So, I am very tempted to solder in a connector and see if I could feed some 80-90 W of power into it, and what it does then.
Well, my card now runs at 1,3 GHz clock speed drawing about 50W (modded BIOS, up from 37.5W stock), and the custom cooling (it is liquid based) struggles to keep the temperatures under 70degC in demanding games. So, I don't know..
 
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (July 2015)

Tue Jul 05, 2016 2:41 am

A GTX 950 in low profile version: GF-GTX950-E2GB/OC/LP

Sorry I cannot yet post links...
 
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (July 2015)

Tue Jul 05, 2016 3:02 am

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A GTX 950 in low profile version: GF-GTX950-E2GB/OC/LP

Sorry I cannot yet post links...

You referring to this card?
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Companies product page for the graphics card?
http://www.kuroutoshikou.com/product/gr ... 2gb_oc_lp/
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (July 2015)

Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:03 pm

KFA² introduces GTX 950 Low Profile in august
Recommended retail price 145€ here in Germany
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (July 2015)

Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:06 pm

I must know where I can buy either one. Must have now!! :evil:
 
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (July 2015)

Tue Aug 02, 2016 2:05 pm

Two version "GF PGTX950-OC-LP / 2GD5 ZERO" and "GF-GTX950-E2GB/OC/LP" both from Galax are available now at Amazon japan for about $200 USD. For that price might just wait for a AMD RX 460 low profile :roll: . Sorry i'm not allowed to post links yet.
 
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (August 2016)

Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:36 am

    KFA2 GEFORCE GTX 950 OC LP - this low profile gtx 950 is available now in Europe for about 145 EUR (about the same USD) on some internet stores. It's a neat looking card, rather long at 7.2 in vs 5.8 in for msi GTX 750 ti, which could be problematic for some cases (literal). I don't like the fact that it has a two-slot i/o plate - no chance to mount a custom single slot cooler (I prefer single slot gpu and a dedicated sond card on a mini-DTX board).Does anybody else notice that the specifications for this card mention a 90W maximum power and the requirement for a 6-pin power connector, but the card pictures do not seem to have the characteristic 6 solder holes for one? Strange.
 
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (August 2016)

Wed Sep 28, 2016 4:38 am

Hello,

So I'm in the market for a low-profile GPU and have settled on either the MSI N750 Ti-2GD5TLP or the Gigabyte GV-N75TOC-2GL.
My dilemma is a simple one, but has had me bouncing back and forth between the 2. I like the Gigabyte card because of the more modern connector options and the slightly higher clock speeds, but I like the MSI for the dual fan configuration and the bios update feature.

I have read reports of the MSI card running very hot and that the dual fans offer inferior cooling. The Gigabyte card apparently runs cooler, but is excessively loud. Both cards are the same $119 from Amazon (who ships to South Africa).

Anyone have anything constructive to add?
 
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (August 2016)

Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:41 am

I've spent a few days engineering a solution for my single slot PCIe space, I have a thread on overclockers so I'll refrain from copying everything to here although this does seem like the most relevant place for it. I may post future updates on a new thread here.

I ordered this early september and I didn't realise the 950 was imminent (and I have my heart set on a GTX 1050, this 750 is a trial run!). I have family in Germany who could have ordered it, but the stacked dual slot back plate was a minor set back (I could have desoldered the DVI) but the extra length was the final nail in the coffin, as I need that room to relocate the cooler.

Here's where I'm at so far, I need to make a number of tweaks to the ducting and adjust the fits and assembly procedure but I'm too busy having fun using it!

This is the 3rd revision which see's a 50x20 blower style fan replace a traditional 40x20 axial fan, the improvements are very noticeable on the benchmarks, and it runs quieter. I'm looking in to using a solid copper skived fin cooler off a 4870x2 which may give me an edge, it just needs some remachining and some new holes tapping in it - not a problem, its just time that prevents me.

So, here's the card as I got it, I chose the MSI because of its single slot backplate and its flat top cooler (saving me time remachining it to shape) - pictured next a single slot 8570 (identical to an R7 250 bar the clocks which are easily changed)
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As I hoped, without the fans on, its cooler was exactly the right size to sit next to my PSU.
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Another view with the fans off.
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Version 1&2 saw a 40x20 fan mounted to the back and eventually ducted to the small vents in the rear of my case (they're about 6mm square, 6 of them roughly if I recall correct)
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The current rev3 see's a 50x20 yate loon blower mounted on the rear with a more progressive widening to the full width of the cooler. It draws air in from both sides so I've positioned it exactly in the middle of the space between the card and the CPU cooler ducting. Just out of the shot, bottom left, there is an 80mm case fan which bring a good volume of fresh air into the case, right into the path of the 50x20 blower.
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With this V3 design, the boost clocks were able to run at +100mhz or so, where as they were topping out at +50mhz before. The core voltage was able to run higher while it maintained the same temperature. The temperature is 80degrees which is targeted by the boost, it will trim the voltage and clocks to maintain the most boost it can at that temperature which pushes me to continue to improve the cooler design, but quietness is always key, this sits on my desk behind my monitor so I don't want to hear it.

The full thread is 18749277 at overclockers (I'm not allowed to post links as I'm a noobie here) but you've got the good bits (I'll update with photos as soon as I can)

The case is a Dell 3020 SFF, I'm running an i5-4590 and will have 8gb of ram if/when I get round to it (currently have 6gb mixed and matched from what I had kicking around in draws)
 
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (August 2016)

Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:34 am

mrbee wrote:
Hello,

So I'm in the market for a low-profile GPU and have settled on either the MSI N750 Ti-2GD5TLP or the Gigabyte GV-N75TOC-2GL.
My dilemma is a simple one, but has had me bouncing back and forth between the 2. I like the Gigabyte card because of the more modern connector options and the slightly higher clock speeds, but I like the MSI for the dual fan configuration and the bios update feature.

I have read reports of the MSI card running very hot and that the dual fans offer inferior cooling. The Gigabyte card apparently runs cooler, but is excessively loud. Both cards are the same $119 from Amazon (who ships to South Africa).

Anyone have anything constructive to add?

Hi. In your case, I would go with the one with features other than related to cooling that you like. The cooling is bad on any of those LP gtx 750 tis. Those small fan things on them are not capable of anything more than stirring  a little bit of air around. Although, it depends on your pc case. For instance, I have a very cramped sff case, where two different gtx 750 tis (MSI and ZOTAC) were badly throttled, i.e. got to 80degC within a minute under load. If yor pc box is bigger, you might get better cooling by the virtue of good case airflow. 
 
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (August 2016)

Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:25 pm

Two low profile Pascal cards has been announced by MSI, a 1050 Ti 4GT LP and a 1050 2GT LP.

Sorry, can't post links yet but just search on MSI:s global site and you'll find them.
 
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (August 2016)

Fri Nov 25, 2016 11:21 am

I know a few posters on this thread (myself included) have been looking for single slot cards.  Just saw that HIS is making a single slot RX460, it looks nice!  No word on price/availability but that'd be pretty decent for a HTPC.

http://www.hisdigital.com/gb/product2-940.shtml

The SKU is HS-460R4TCNR
 
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (August 2016)

Fri Nov 25, 2016 11:48 am

That HIS slim card is not low profile......we need some slim low profile cards!!! Come on manufacturers the time has been now for a couple years:)!! 
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (August 2016)

Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:19 pm

vargis14 wrote:
That HIS slim card is not low profile......we need some slim low profile cards!!! Come on manufacturers the time has been now for a couple years:)!! 

Low profile AND single slot? Picky Picky!
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (August 2016)

Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:03 pm

They are long overdue, I am just impatient that every manufacturer has and can make a good one for 2 years now but all we get is oversized cards and no love for the slim tower people that want to game but just cannot find a slim LP card that will do 1080p great :) 
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (August 2016)

Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:22 pm

Going to have to update this soon - MSI announced a low profile, double width GeForce 1050 and 1050 Ti recently:

http://techreport.com/news/30996/msi-la ... allest-pcs

So once those are available, they're definitely the new king for low profile, double width form factor.

I haven't seen any new single slot cards yet, although I'm hoping we'll possibly get a 1050 in that format. There's also good possibility of the RX 460 hitting this form factor - R7 250 cards were popular in this size, and it seems AMD's mobile variants of Polaris 11 are very good on low power consumption. Also the embedded version of the RX 460, which AMD is calling the Radeon e9260, is listed with an "up to 50W" TDP, and is supposed to be available in both MXM and PCIe formats. There's a picture of the low profile, single slot e9260 here:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10710/amd ... 9260-e9550

So if that winds up available through channels or if some adventurous OEM decides to just do it with an RX 460, that would mean a sizable jump in GPU capabilities in low profile cards with this new generation. Keep your eyes open, folks, these should be coming "soon".
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (November 2016)

Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:17 pm

MSI GTX 1050 Ti 4gb LP is now available on newegg for $154.99 USD.
 
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (November 2016)

Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:06 pm

The Maxx wrote:
MSI GTX 1050 Ti 4gb LP is now available on newegg for $154.99 USD.

Thanks !
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814137081
Looks like we have a new winner in the low-profile 4K-capable HDMI-2.0 race.
 
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (November 2016)

Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:10 am

There's a Gigabyte GTX 1050 on the way too - http://techreport.com/news/31257/gigaby ... tx-1050-ti

And for anyone overseas, Amazon Japan has a good price and international shipping on the MSI GeForce GTX 1050 2GT LP https://www.amazon.co.jp/MSI-GTX-1050-2 ... B01MSZ81C2 and the MSI GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GT LP https://www.amazon.co.jp/MSI-GeForce-GT ... B01MXYDHJH
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (January 2017)

Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:20 am

thanks for those links all. I hadn't checked newegg in a bit - always so tempting to spend money when I do - but I've now updated the top post with the MSI card links.

I'm disappointed we haven't seen RX 460 in low profile single slot yet. With the e9260 being shown 3 months ago I figured one might have at least announced by now, but no such luck. Although XFX does have a full height, double wide, passively cooled 4GB version and 2GB version (newegg links) and a full height, single slot 4GB card (also newegg link), so that's kind of cool.

There's basically nothing worth buying if you're stuck in low profile, single slot land right now. That sucks. But for anyone building a new system, maybe Ryzen's IGP will have a nice boost for us.
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (January 2017)

Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:58 am

deruberhanyok wrote:
There's basically nothing worth buying if you're stuck in low profile, single slot land right now. That sucks. But for anyone building a new system, maybe Ryzen's IGP will have a nice boost for us.

I'm stuck in low-profile and ideally single-slot, and would have bought at launch a ~50 W Radeon RX 450 if it existed and was better than my HD 7750... sadly, no dice.

OT slightly, but since you mentioned it: I don't see anywhere saying that Ryzen is an APU brand, it's probably only for the CPUs starting with Summit Ridge. The next gen. APU's (Raven Ridge) aren't due until 2H from what I've read.
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (January 2017)

Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:06 pm

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OT slightly, but since you mentioned it: I don't see anywhere saying that Ryzen is an APU brand, it's probably only for the CPUs starting with Summit Ridge. The next gen. APU's (Raven Ridge) aren't due until 2H from what I've read.

That's also my understanding, but some "experts" in the comments are arguing that we'll see chips with 75% of their cores (and probably a bunch of cache) disabled. That would be horrible news if AMD is forced to do that in large volume. Ryzen is too important of a chip (and likely too large, though I don't know the die area or transistor count) to sell based on 1/4 of the performance enabled.
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (January 2017)

Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:33 pm

This is a great post and it's really cool of you to keep it up to date. I did some checking for scores for an Ivy Bridge processor I have, the Core-i3 6100 with HD 530 graphics, and the EVGA GT 740 2GB GDDR5. The single slot, low profile EVGA GT 740 2GB GDDR5 is no longer in production, but you may be able to find it on ebay for a reasonable price. I couldn't find the GT 740 scores with an i3 6100 processor but I did find it for others.
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i3-6100 results (HD Graphics 530):
- HD 530, 8GB DDR4-2133: 6908 (1.00) - Graphics 8247 - Physics 4405 - 3dmark (dot) com (forward-slash) cg (forward-slash) 3870116 
 
EVGA GT 740 2GB GDDR5 results:
- Core-i5 24008GB DDR3-1333:  9514 (1.38) - Graphics 14715 - Physics 4253 - 3dmark (dot) com forward-slash) 3157766
- Core-i3 4150, 8GB DDR3-1600:  8772 -  (1.27) - Graphics 14935 - Physics 3589 - 3dmark (dot) com (forward-slash) cg( forward-slash) 2948428
 
The HD 530 posts some pretty great Physics scores, beating out the GT 740, but the GT 740 has much better Graphics scores, about 1.8x the HD 530 on average. It seems you could could get quite a nice bump in graphics performance by adding in a GT 740 if you can find one.
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (January 2017)

Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:37 pm

derFunkenstein wrote:
Topinio wrote:
OT slightly, but since you mentioned it: I don't see anywhere saying that Ryzen is an APU brand, it's probably only for the CPUs starting with Summit Ridge. The next gen. APU's (Raven Ridge) aren't due until 2H from what I've read.

That's also my understanding, but some "experts" in the comments are arguing that we'll see chips with 75% of their cores (and probably a bunch of cache) disabled. That would be horrible news if AMD is forced to do that in large volume. Ryzen is too important of a chip (and likely too large, though I don't know the die area or transistor count) to sell based on 1/4 of the performance enabled.

Hmm. 25% is 2C4T, if it has per-core IPC at a level ~Broadwell then a 25% Ryzen will perform at about the i3 level, and those go for up to $180 for the unlocked 4.2 GHz one... if AMD can produce a Ryzen R3 with 5+MB at 4.4+ GHz and <$160 I'd think it's a goer. Possibly even profitable.

Until Intel drops its prices, like with the C2Q's.

Edit: it might even be a smart move: if AMD can attack Intel market share at the price level of i3, i5, and i7 surely that's better than just doing so at the high end?
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (January 2017)

Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:59 pm

I think it's something that would sell, and if there are dies that can only be sold that way, then fine. Make something from them. But if they show up in volume, then there's either a problem with manufacturing or they're being intentionally hobbled to hit a price point. Neither of those propositions bode well. Just because something "would sell" doesn't make it a good choice for AMD. It's a much lower margin on the same exact silicon. I don't see how that's great, unless AMD's objective is the same as it has been since Zen went into development: to sell with razor thin margins and hemorrhage cash.
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (January 2017)

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Re: Best low profile video cards available (January 2017)

Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:56 pm

http://www.galax.com/en/graphics-card/1 ... ti-lp.html

Still dual slot, unfortunately... but way better cooling probably.

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