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Re: How bad is Windows 10 Really?

Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:39 pm

Hmmm well

I am on pro, so I can set my updates from not being automatic, however I still can't pick individual updates out of the list, that is a bit irritating.

The SP every 6 months, I'm kind of on the fence, I guess it's good for added features and things, but my personal preference would be more typical updates every patch Tuesday and a SP every 18 months or so. Usually they go well, but they can still break things, and when things could possibly break every 6 months, that's not good. This can be pushed out on Pro, not sure about home? I'm still on 1709.

I remember using the trial/pre-relase w10, and I find the new versions with more features, becoming like bloatware creep, but it could be placebo effect.

I wish they had a version like the Chinese government version, a basic OS with no frills, something suited to a workstation/gaming desktop (as a single user license like pro), since that is what I use my desktop for.

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https://www.techpowerup.com/253427/micr ... -scenarios
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Re: How bad is Windows 10 Really?

Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:42 pm

anotherengineer wrote:
Hmmm well

I am on pro, so I can set my updates from not being automatic, however I still can't pick individual updates out of the list, that is a bit irritating.

The SP every 6 months, I'm kind of on the fence, I guess it's good for added features and things, but my personal preference would be more typical updates every patch Tuesday and a SP every 18 months or so. Usually they go well, but they can still break things, and when things could possibly break every 6 months, that's not good. This can be pushed out on Pro, not sure about home? I'm still on 1709.

I remember using the trial/pre-relase w10, and I find the new versions with more features, becoming like bloatware creep, but it could be placebo effect.

I wish they had a version like the Chinese government version, a basic OS with no frills, something suited to a workstation/gaming desktop (as a single user license like pro), since that is what I use my desktop for.

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https://www.techpowerup.com/253427/micr ... -scenarios

That's all well and good, but that particular update wasn't exactly a "bloatware" update. It was (primarily) Retpoline! These are security updates that people SHOULD be taking. It's unfortunate that their particular implementation degraded your GPU/mouse performance for a little while until they fix it, but i'm personally willing to live with that. Just look at the list of issues in that update.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/hel ... -kb4482887

Like I said, I'm willing to live with some (hopefully) short-term degradation for the boatload of good fixes in there. That's just me though.

TPU wrote:
Even though Microsoft have specified Destiny 2 as an example of a game crippled by the update, Reddit users have reported on other, older titles being severly affected as well. One user has stated that Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 is basically unplayable because any mouse movement makes his screen freeze.

Another user claims that a similar thing has happened to him in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 where he has seen massive drops in FPS while moving his character. To make things even worse, moving the mouse has rendered his game unplayable as well, which speaks volumes about the extent of "mouse degradation" problems Microsoft warned about in their official statement.

It's not just shooter games that have had their performance degraded by the update, as action RPG titles, such as God Eater 3, have also been affected according to a reddit user who reports that his in-game performance has gone from a smooth 4K 60FPS to a "lag fest" in certain levels.


oh GOD NO NOT MODERN WARFARE TWO AND THREE??!?!?!?!? (ok i'm done)

FWIW I do think Windows should be smaller and simpler. It would go a long way, but this is where we are and what we have to accept if we want to use modern Windows.
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Re: How bad is Windows 10 Really?

Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:20 pm

DancinJack wrote:
anotherengineer wrote:
Hmmm well

I am on pro, so I can set my updates from not being automatic, however I still can't pick individual updates out of the list, that is a bit irritating.

The SP every 6 months, I'm kind of on the fence, I guess it's good for added features and things, but my personal preference would be more typical updates every patch Tuesday and a SP every 18 months or so. Usually they go well, but they can still break things, and when things could possibly break every 6 months, that's not good. This can be pushed out on Pro, not sure about home? I'm still on 1709.

I remember using the trial/pre-relase w10, and I find the new versions with more features, becoming like bloatware creep, but it could be placebo effect.

I wish they had a version like the Chinese government version, a basic OS with no frills, something suited to a workstation/gaming desktop (as a single user license like pro), since that is what I use my desktop for.

edit
https://www.techpowerup.com/253427/micr ... -scenarios

That's all well and good, but that particular update wasn't exactly a "bloatware" update. It was (primarily) Retpoline! These are security updates that people SHOULD be taking. It's unfortunate that their particular implementation degraded your GPU/mouse performance for a little while until they fix it, but i'm personally willing to live with that. Just look at the list of issues in that update.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/hel ... -kb4482887

Like I said, I'm willing to live with some (hopefully) short-term degradation for the boatload of good fixes in there. That's just me though.

TPU wrote:
Even though Microsoft have specified Destiny 2 as an example of a game crippled by the update, Reddit users have reported on other, older titles being severly affected as well. One user has stated that Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 is basically unplayable because any mouse movement makes his screen freeze.

Another user claims that a similar thing has happened to him in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 where he has seen massive drops in FPS while moving his character. To make things even worse, moving the mouse has rendered his game unplayable as well, which speaks volumes about the extent of "mouse degradation" problems Microsoft warned about in their official statement.

It's not just shooter games that have had their performance degraded by the update, as action RPG titles, such as God Eater 3, have also been affected according to a reddit user who reports that his in-game performance has gone from a smooth 4K 60FPS to a "lag fest" in certain levels.


oh GOD NO NOT MODERN WARFARE TWO AND THREE??!?!?!?!? (ok i'm done)

FWIW I do think Windows should be smaller and simpler. It would go a long way, but this is where we are and what we have to accept if we want to use modern Windows.


Never said it was bloatware. And I agree with you. And the few games I play are about 7years old so even if I only had 1 core left to spare it would probably still play fine :)
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Re: How bad is Windows 10 Really?

Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:23 am

DancinJack wrote:
It's unfortunate that their particular implementation degraded your GPU/mouse performance for a little while until they fix it, but i'm personally willing to live with that.

That was fixed today.
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Re: How bad is Windows 10 Really?

Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:04 pm

actually, it is pretty good except for the auto update.
 
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Re: How bad is Windows 10 Really?

Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:21 am

My office has only now moved from Windows 7 to Windows 10, and pretty much everybody hates it, to my surprise and delight.

Part of the complaints are more about the switch from Office 2010 to Office 2016, however.
 
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Re: How bad is Windows 10 Really?

Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:42 pm

Yan wrote:
My office has only now moved from Windows 7 to Windows 10, and pretty much everybody hates it, to my surprise and delight.

Part of the complaints are more about the switch from Office 2010 to Office 2016, however.

Our office is undergoing that final transition now. Same situation, everything that wasn't replaced in the last year-ish after they started deploying WIn10 on all new equipment, is still running our stock Win7 image with Office 2010.

Frankly, I hope we DO upgrade to a newer Office version. 2013 and up not only have a cleaner look, Microsoft added some features that are really useful. One of my favorites, trivial but incredibly useful, is the ability to add table rows in Word by hovering at the edge of the table and then waiting for the little (+)=== thing to appear. Click, click, click. Delicious new rows.
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