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Re: Formula One 2017

Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:33 am

We may see Alonso charge from the back row of the starting grid to score points this weekend, courtesy of a 20-place grid penalty for his eleventh turbocharger and MGU-H (out of four allowed) for the season. He was 8th and 7th fastest in the first and second practice periods.
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Re: Formula One 2017

Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:16 pm

Mexican Grand Prix qualifying and practice lap times (Q3/Q2/Q1/P3/P2/P1):
https://www.fia.com/championship/events ... grand-prix

76.5 / 76.9 / 77.7 / 77.2 / 78.1 / 78.6 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari - 348 kph
76.6 / 76.5 / 77.6 / 77.1 / 78.0 / 78.4 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / Renault - 346 kph
76.9 / 77.0 / 77.5 / 77.2 / 77.9 / 78.3 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes - 352 kph
77.0 / 77.2 / 77.6 / 77.3 / 78.3 / 77.8 Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes - 350 kph
77.2 / 77.5 / 78.1 / 77.5 / 78.1 / 79.0 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari - 348 kph
77.4 / 77.8 / 78.3 / 78.2 / 78.8 / ----- Esteban Ocon, Force India / Mercedes - 356 kph (221 mph)
77.5 / 77.8 / 78.3 / 78.4 / 78.8 / 79.6 Nico Hulkenberg, Renault - 343 kph
77.8 / 77.8 / 78.4 / 78.2 / 79.1 / 79.6 Carlos Sainz Jr., Renault - 342 kph
77.8 / 77.9 / 78.0 / 78.0 / 78.7 / 79.2 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes - 355 kph
------ / 78.1 / 78.6 / 78.7 / 79.2 / 79.4 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes - 348 kph
------ / 79.2 / 78.9 / 79.1 / 79.5 / 79.8 Lance Stroll, Williams / Mercedes - 348 kph
------ / ----- / 79.2 / 79.3 / 80.4 / ----- Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari - 347 kph
------ / ----- / 79.3 / 79.8 / 80.3 / 81.0 Pascal Wehrlein, Sauber / Ferrari - 347 kph
------ / ----- / 79.4 / 79.2 / 80.3 / 80.6 Kevin Magnussen, Haas / Ferrari - 349 kph
------ / ----- / 79.5 / 79.6 / DNF / ------ Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari - 348 kph
77.4 / 77.6 / 78.2 / 77.4 / 77.8 / 78.4 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / Renault - 346 kph - 20 spot penalty for new engine
------ / DNF / 78.7 / 78.6 / 79.4 / 81.7 Brendon Hartley, Toro Rosso / Renault - 346 kph - 20 spot penalty for new engine
------ / DNF / 77.7 / 79.6 / 78.5 / 79.3 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda - 344 kph - 20 spot penalty for new engine
------ / DNF / 78.6 / 80.0 / 79.8 / DNF Stoffel Vandoorne, McLaren / Honda - 336 kph - 35 spot penalty for new engine
------ / ----- / DNF / DNF / 81.7 / ------ Pierre Gasly, Toro Rosso / Renault - 20 spot penalty for new turbocharger and MGU-H
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Re: Formula One 2017

Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:57 pm

Well done Lewis Hamilton. Caught the last half, and what stands out near the end was the wheel to wheel battle with Alonso, both racing clean and taking no quarter. It's the kind of racing you would expect from two world champions.
 
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Re: Formula One 2017

Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:09 pm

Results from Mexico City:
https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula- ... ication-36
1 Max Verstappen - Red Bull / Renault - 78.9s, 345 kph
2 Valtteri Bottas - Mercedes - 79.4s, 358 kph
3 Kimi Raikkonen - Ferrari - 80.1s, 352 kph
4 Sebastian Vettel - Ferrari - 78.8s, 362 kph (225 mph)
5 Esteban Ocon - Force India / Mercedes - 80.9s, 350 kph
6 Lance Stroll - Williams / Mercedes - 81.1s, 353 kph
7 Sergio Perez - Force India / Mercedes - 79.9s, 359 kph
8 Kevin Magnussen - Haas / Ferrari - 81.2s, 348 kph
9 Lewis Hamilton - Mercedes - 79.9s, 362 kph
10 Fernando Alonso - McLaren / Honda - 81.0s, 348 kph
11 Felipe Massa - Williams / Mercedes - 81.1s, 360 kph
12 Stoffel Vandoorne - McLaren / Honda - 81.0s, 344 kph
13 Pierre Gasly - Toro Rosso / Renault - 80.9s, 352 kph
14 Pascal Wehrlein - Sauber / Ferrari - 81.6s, 349 kph
15 Romain Grosjean - Haas / Ferrari - 80.3s, 337 kph
DNF Carlos Sainz Jr - Renault
DNF Marcus Ericsson - Sauber / Ferrari
DNF Brendon Hartley - Toro Rosso / Renault
DNF Nico Hulkenberg - Renault
DNF Daniel Ricciardo - Red Bull / Renault

Two of the six Renault engines in the race survived until the end, but one of them was in front by a healthy margin.
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Re: Formula One 2017

Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:45 pm

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Caught the last half, and what stands out near the end was the wheel to wheel battle with Alonso, both racing clean and taking no quarter. It's the kind of racing you would expect from two world champions.

Um, what? That "battle" summed up why F1 has a terrible overtaking problem. Alonso's McLaren was 12 km/h slower on the straights and that was without the help of DRS for Hamilton.
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Re: Formula One 2017

Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:49 pm

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Two of the six Renault engines in the race survived until the end

Same number of Honda engines survived until the end.

McLaren may be going from bad to bad.
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Re: Formula One 2017

Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:51 am

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That "battle" summed up why F1 has a terrible overtaking problem. Alonso's McLaren was 12 km/h slower on the straights and that was without the help of DRS for Hamilton.
It was more like 14 to 16 kph and more than 1 second per lap advantage to the Mercedes. Alonso's qualifying lap had an exceptionally high trap speed due to a well-executed bit of teamwork, with Vandoorne providing his team-mate a tow down the long straight.

Vettel certainly sliced through the back markers with more authority than Hamilton did in this race. How many laps did it take the world champion to get around Pascal Wehrlein in the lowly Sauber?
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Re: Formula One 2017

Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:33 am

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JustAnEngineer wrote:
Two of the six Renault engines in the race survived until the end

Same number of Honda engines survived until the end.

McLaren may be going from bad to bad.

I kinda feel better now:

Renault "made an error" with engine balance in Mexico


https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/renault-too-aggressive-in-mexico-972994/
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Re: Formula One 2017

Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:14 am

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That "battle" summed up why F1 has a terrible overtaking problem. Alonso's McLaren was 12 km/h slower on the straights and that was without the help of DRS for Hamilton.
It was more like 14 to 16 kph and more than 1 second per lap advantage to the Mercedes. Alonso's qualifying lap had an exceptionally high trap speed due to a well-executed bit of teamwork, with Vandoorne providing his team-mate a tow down the long straight.

Vettel certainly sliced through the back markers with more authority than Hamilton did in this race. How many laps did it take the world champion to get around Pascal Wehrlein in the lowly Sauber?


"Battle" is just a description of when Hamilton finally decided to take another meaningless place, he and Alonso were temporarily racing side by side through the esses, which of course negates any trap speed advantage on the straightway. My comment was only made to highlight that wheel to wheel racing, which is a complete rarity in modern formula one, remains exciting in and of itself, showing the mastery of the car in the moment and not when "driving the perfect line" of each corner. The fact that they did it without any shunts was my subtle ("too subtle?") indictment about how sometimes other drivers and former world champions cannot seem to manage their way around the track without playing bumper cars, a good old tried and true NASCAR (inherited from the dirt tracks) technique that Schumacher was quite adept at. It would have been nice if this type of racing could have occurred at the beginning of the race, with two of the fastest cars going wheel to wheel. Unfortunately one of the most skilled drivers on the planet managed to momentarily lose control of his car (as he was being over taken), and managed to puncture someones rear tire with his front wing.

Anyways, I look forward to next year, and the possibility of a three way battle for the lead in every race. Cheers to the other devoted racing fans on this site, and may next world champion be the racer who has earned it through their performance on track, as it appears that the cars are now closer than ever. Did anyone say IROC? Remember, it's all for fun.
 
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Re: Formula One 2017

Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:34 am

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Vettel certainly sliced through the back markers with more authority than Hamilton did in this race. How many laps did it take the world champion to get around Pascal Wehrlein in the lowly Sauber?
Vettel's damage in the first lap was to the front wing, which was replaced in the pitstop. He had a fully working car. Hamilton had a large chunk out of the rear diffuser. When you get close to someone and the wings get turbulent air then you are going to be more reliant on the downforce from the diffuser.

Having said that, he appeared not to be using DRS when behind Alonso until Massa turned up in his mirrors, so not fighting hard for it.

Could he have fought harder? Yes. Was his lack of pace and difficulty in passing all down to him? No.
 
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Re: Formula One 2017

Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:30 pm

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Hey Max, keep your eyes peeled for the new curbs in Mexico:
https://blackflag.jalopnik.com/f1-insta ... socialflow
These are the most talented drivers on the planet. When those 2" high orange blocks were placed several feet off of the track, not one driver hit the tall curbs during the race.
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Re: Formula One 2017

Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:50 pm

Way to go Gasly!!!

"It's just boring! V12 & no penalty would be much better"


https://twitter.com/PierreGASLY/status/ ... 7416422400
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Re: Formula One 2017

Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:57 am

Brazilian Grand Prix qualifying and practice lap times (Q3/Q2/Q1/P3/P2/P1):
https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula- ... rmation-37
68.3 / 68.6 / 69.5 / 69.3 / 69.6 / 69.3 Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes - 331 kph
68.4 / 68.5 / 69.6 / 69.3 / 69.9 / 70.0 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari - 330 kph
68.5 / 69.1 / 69.4 / 69.3 / 70.1 / 69.7 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari - 332 kph
68.9 / 69.1 / 69.8 / 70.5 / 69.9 / 69.8 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / Renault - 324 kph
69.6 / 69.8 / 70.1 / 70.3 / 70.7 / ----- Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes - 333 kph
69.6 / 69.6 / 70.2 / 70.3 / 70.7 / 70.5 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda - 316 kph
69.7 / 69.7 / 70.1 / 70.7 / 70.4 / 71.6 Nico Hulkenberg, Renault - 319 kph
69.8 / 79.8 / 70.2 / 70.6 / 70.7 / 71.5 Carlos Sainz Jr., Renault - 320 kph
69.8 / 69.6 / 69.8 / 70.7 / 70.4 / 70.1 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes - 330 kph
----- / 69.8 / 70.2 / 70.4 / 70.3 / 70.5 Esteban Ocon, Force India / Mercedes - 333 kph (207 mph)
----- / 69.9 / 70.1 / 70.8 / 71.3 / 71.2 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari - 326 kph
----- / 70.1 / 70.3 / 70.6 / 70.9 / 70.4 Stoffel Vandoorne, McLaren / Honda - 316 kph
----- / 70.2 / 70.5 / 70.7 / ----- / 71.5 Kevin Magnussen, Haas / Ferrari - 325 kph
69.3 / 69.5 / 69.8 / 70.2 / 69.7 / 69.8 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / Renault - 325 kph - 10 spot penalty for new MGU-H
----- / ----- / 70.7 / 71.1 / 71.9 / ------ Pascal Wehrlein, Sauber / Ferrari - 321 kph
----- / ----- / 70.9 / 71.5 / 72.0 / 71.9 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari - 321 kph
----- / ------ / 70.8 / DNF / 71.1 / 70.6 Lance Stroll, Williams / Mercedes - 328 kph - 5 spot penalty for new gearbox
------ / DNF / 70.6 / 71.1 / 71.8 / DNF Brendon Hartley, Toro Rosso / Renault - 322 kph - 10 spot penalty for new MGU-H
------ / ----- / 70.7 / 71.0 / 71.4 / DNF Pierre Gasly, Toro Rosso / Renault - 323 kph - 25 spot penalty for new MGU-H
------ / ----- / DNF / 69.3 / 69.5 / 69.2 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes - 323 kph - crashed in Q1
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Re: Formula One 2017

Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:05 pm

Results from Interlagos:
https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula- ... rmation-37
1 Sebastian Vettel - Ferrari - 72.5s, 316 kph
2 Valtteri Bottas - Mercedes - 72.5s, 325 kph
3 Kimi Raikkonen - Ferrari - 72.5s, 321 kph
4 Lewis Hamilton - Mercedes - 71.8s, 325 kph
5 Max Verstappen - Red Bull / Renault - 71.0s, 316 kph
6 Daniel Ricciardo - Red Bull / Renault - 72.0s, 338 kph (210 mph)
7 Felipe Massa - Williams / Mercedes - 73.5s, 323 kph
8 Fernando Alonso - McLaren / Honda - 73.5s, 325 kph
9 Sergio Perez - Force India / Mercedes - 73.1s, 325 kph
10 Nico Hulkenberg - Renault - 73.8s, 334 kph
11 Carlos Sainz Jr - Renault - 73.6s, 319 kph
12 Pierre Gasly - Toro Rosso / Renault - 73.3s, 335 kph
13 Marcus Ericsson - Sauber / Ferrari - 73.7s, 318 kph
14 Pascal Wehrlein - Sauber / Ferrari - 74.8s, 310 kph
15 Romain Grosjean - Haas / Ferrari - 73.5s, 315 kph
16 Lance Stroll - Williams / Mercedes - 71.9s, 330 kph
DNF Brendon Hartley - Toro Rosso / Renault
DNF Esteban Ocon - Force India / Mercedes
DNF Stoffel Vandoorne - McLaren / Honda
DNF Kevin Magnussen - Haas / Ferrari
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Re: Formula One 2017

Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:31 am

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Results from Interlagos

After starting from the pit lane with a new PU and tweaked aero, Hamilton couldn't have hoped for a better first lap:
  • 3 cars retired in lap 1 incidents
  • 3 more cars pitted on lap 1 due to incidents/damage (Ricciardo, Grosjean, Wehrlein)
  • Together that moved him forward 6 places for "free" without any overtaking
  • Safety car deployment bunched the field together and nullified his penalty of starting from the pit lane
  • Then it was just a matter of scything through the remaining backmarkers and midfield.
 
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Re: Formula One 2017

Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:31 pm

Mega Hyper Extreme Softness:
http://motorsports.nbcsports.com/2017/1 ... lect-name/

"Extreme" is the obvious choice because it doesn't start with a letter that matches any of the existing compounds.
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Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:59 pm

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"Extreme" is the obvious choice because it doesn't start with a letter that matches any of the existing compounds.

Oh, it also allows people to refer to it as eXtreme, because Xs make everything cool and new-age!

On the topic of tyre compounds, here's an interesting tweet from F1 Fanatic:
Total number of racing laps completed on the hard tyres in 2017: 0


Seems to me like rather than adding one more compound, they can just retire the hardest compound, introduce this new pink compound, and sanitize the names:
  • 2017's hard - retired in 2018
  • 2017's medium - named hardest in 2018
  • 2017's soft - named hard in 2018
  • 2017's supersoft - named medium in 2018
  • 2017's ultrasoft - named soft in 2018
  • 2018's new pink compound - named softest for 2018

As computer geeks, we've seen product names use ridiculous adjectives to distinguish themselves, to appear cool, and to appeal to buyers. We don't need that in F1, we need clarity. By removing modifiers like "super", "ultra", "mega", "hyper" & "extreme", and instead using either comparative or superlative adjectives, it should help bring about clarity.
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