Moderator: Captain Ned
druidcent wrote:I don't put it past Belicheck to do whatever it takes to win..
Captain Ned wrote:
The Egg wrote:Looks like this is much more serious than originally thought. If those statistics are indeed correct, I'm left with the following questions:
- Tom Brady has thrown around 65 interceptions since 2007. How is this the first time an opposing defender noticed the ball felt different?
- Much more intriguing, the Patriots have played over 128 games since the beginning of the 2007 season, including every official in the NFL multiple times over. If they had an average of 64 offensive plays per game, that comes out to 8,192 snaps where at least one official handled the ball, not including playoff games. How is it possible that not a single offical to noticed anything in that time?
- The stretch of 2007-2014 includes many current and former players. It's not realistic to think that all of them were aware and kept quiet, especially after leaving the team. It's also not realistic to think that NOBODY knew about it. So how many people knew, and who were they?
Kougar wrote:I'd heard a lot of talk from people on both sides of this and didn't have a strong opinion on the subject. But given my basic understanding of statistics those stats pretty well cinch it for me.
adampk17 wrote:I feel like the punishment should be very severe. Take away their AFC and Super Bowl title, suspend Brady for at least 8 games, preferably more.
And no, this isn't because I'm from Seattle. I'm not suggesting that the Colts or Seahawks be named champions of the AFC or Super Bowl in the Patriots place.
Captain Ned wrote:
No Patriots fan here, but let's look at the scores.
Did it change the game in any appreciable way? Clearly no.
5150 wrote:The report wouldn't win an arguement in a criminal case, but this isn't that, and there is enough evidence that a reasonable person could determine they cheated on purpose.
5150 wrote:Throw the book at Brady, and give Belichick a suspension and fine as well. If Payton can get suspended a year for not knowing what his team was doing I fail to see how Belichick cannot.
superjawes wrote:The report struck me as saying "we don't have video evidence of Brady's hand in the cookie jar, but he does have crumbs around his mouth." The report did conclude that the balls were likely deflated intentionally (given that the pressure drop was greater than that of the "control" balls used by the Colts).
Captain Ned wrote:Then explain the second half of that game. I've got no skin in this one, but if one cheats, one expects a benefit from the cheat. The conditions for the cheat existed only in the first half and the score at halftime reflects a game still in play. The cheat was remedied at halftime and from then the game was a blowout.
Did the Patriots cheat? Evidence is trending to yes. Did they receive any benefit from the cheat? Based on how that game played, I'd have to say no.
The Egg wrote:I agree that the outcome of the Colts game was not affected in any meaningful way. However, you're making the assumption that this was the one and only time Brady broke the rules and had balls deflated. I would call that extremely unlikely. It's possible that he did this for a good portion of last season, or maybe even YEARS for all we know. How many hotly contested games (such as the Baltimore divisional playoff) had their outcomes affected by this minor advantage?
MarkG509 wrote:I believe very little, if anything, of what I see at HuffPo, but the discussion needs to last until at least Monday morning, so here's their attempt at debunking some of those stats.
MarkG509 wrote:CBS News just broke the story that Brady's suspended for the first 4 games, Pats lose a first round draft pick and were fined $1M.