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Formula 1 2016

Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:59 am

2016 Formula 1 grand prix schedule:

3/20 - Australia
4/3 - Bahrain
4/17 - China
5/1 - Russia
5/15 - Spain
5/29 - Monaco
6/12 - Canada
6/19 - Europe (Azerbaijan)
7/3 - Austria
7/10 - United Kingdom
7/24 - Hungary
7/31 - Germany
8/28 - Belgium
9/4 - Italy
9/18 - Singapore
10/2 - Malaysia
10/9 - Japan
10/23 - United States of America
10/30 - Mexico
11/13 - Brazil
11/27 - Abu Dhabi
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:07 am

Qualifying positions for 2016 Australian Grand Prix, Melbourne:
1 - 44 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes
2 - 6 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes
3 - 5 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari
4 - 7 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari
5 - 33 Max Verstappen, Toro Rosso / Ferrari
6 - 19 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes
7 - 55 Carlos Sainz, Toro Rosso / Ferrari
8 - 3 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / Tag Heuer (Renault)
9 - 11 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes
10 - 27 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes
11 - 77 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes
12 - 14 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda
13 - 22 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda
14 - 30 Jolyon Palmer, Renault
15 - 20 Kevin Magnussen, Renault
16 - 9 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari
17 - 12 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari
18 - 26 Danil Kvyat, Red Bull / Tag Heuer (Renault)
19 - 8 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari
20 - 21 Esteban Gutierrez, Haas / Ferrari
21 - 88 Rio Haryanto, Manor / Mercedes
22 - 94 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:21 am

If only F1FRL.com hadn't gone down.
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:39 am

http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... sification
Looking more closely at the qualifying times, we see that the gaps from 1st through 5th are about 0.4 seconds per position, with Verstappen (in 5th) 1.59 seconds behind Hamilton's pole time of 83.84 seconds. From 5th through 13th is much tighter, with Button only 0.87 seconds behind Verstappen's 85.43 second lap time. There's a 0.96 second gap from Button in 13th to Palmer in 14th. 14th through 19th are relatively close, with Grosjean 1.08 seconds behind Palmer's time of 87.24 seconds. Guiterrez, Haryanto and Wehrlein bring up the rear with nearly-identical times of 89.61, 89.63 and 89.64 seconds - 1.3 seconds slower than Grosjean.

Hamilton's pole time was 5.8 seconds per lap faster than the three slowest qualifiers.
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:37 pm

1 Mercedes were sand bagging during winter testing.

2 The new qualifying format sucks. There was nothing wrong with the old format, it was probably the one bit of F1 that was working. Still Bernie is a very smart cookie and now has everyone talking about qualifying and not about how the money is (not) shared around.
 
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Mar 20, 2016 10:23 am

Rio Haryanto like it
 
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Mar 20, 2016 1:41 pm

Results from Australia, fastest lap time:
1 - Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, 90.56
2 - Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 90.65
3 - Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari, 89.95
4 - Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault), 89.00
5 - Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes, 92.29
6 - Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari :o , 92.86
7 - Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes, 92.83
8 - Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes, 92.73
9 - Carlos Sainz, Toro Rosso / Ferrari, 91.67
10- Max Verstappen, Toro Rosso / Ferrari, 91.52
11- Jolyon Palmer, Renault, 92.96
12- Kevin Magnussen, Renault, 92.45
13- Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes, 92.78
14- Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda, 91.68
15- Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari, 92.71
16- Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes, 92.67
Did Not Finish:
Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari, 93.89
Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 90.70
Rio Haryanto, Manor / Mercedes, 93.85
Esteban Gutierrez, Haas / Ferrari, 93.00
Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda, 92.55
Did Not Start:
Danil Kvyat, Red Bull / (Renault)
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Mar 20, 2016 1:44 pm

I love it when Nico beats Lewis.

Ooh, and by 8 seconds no less.
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Mar 20, 2016 2:09 pm

still haven't seen the race (watching it in 1 hour), but from the lap times JAE posted it seems Kimi had a really good lap time among those who didnt finish. Hopefully less breaking stuff next race :D
 
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Mar 20, 2016 2:23 pm

ztrand wrote:
Hopefully less breaking stuff next race :D
Kimi wrote:
Uh, Something happened. Broke something.
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:03 am

lol yeah I saw that :)

also: Alonso, whoa.
 
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:25 am

ztrand wrote:
also: Alonso, whoa.

Try Robert Kubica in Montreal, 2007.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP1_POQPJVw
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Mon Mar 21, 2016 8:18 am

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Try Robert Kubica in Montreal, 2007.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP1_POQPJVw


yeah I remember that one. Looks as bad as Senna's.
 
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:37 am

I think Alonso was very very lucky. That car almost hit the fence driver head first and he would be dead. Maybe the halo device would help protect the drivers in that scenario?

I know people are worried about how fast he would have been able to get out if he had a halo on the car, but as Jenson Button pointed out afterwards, there was no reason for Fernando to get out quickly. They don't get fires after crashes in F1, just while driving along like Kimi did.
 
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:39 pm

Driver's championship standings after two of twenty-one races:
50 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes
33 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes
24 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault)
18 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari
18 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari :o
15 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari
14 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes
9 Max Verstappen, Toro Rosso / Ferrari
6 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes
6 Danil Kvyat, Red Bull / (Renault)
6 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes
2 Carlos Sainz, Toro Rosso / Ferrari
1 Stoffel Vandoorne, McLaren / Honda
0 Kevin Magnussen, Renault
0 Jolyon Palmer, Renault
0 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari
0 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes
0 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes
0 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari
0 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda
0 Rio Haryanto, Manor / Mercedes
0 Esteban Gutierrez, Haas / Ferrari
0 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:01 pm

Wow. Haas starts with a 6th and improves to a 5th in their second race. Outstanding.

I still lament the loss of F1FRL.com. That was fun.

EDIT: The FIA site used to show a graphical chart where one could trace a driver from their starting position to their finishing position. They don't do it any more, not least that I can find.
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:18 pm

Qualifying still sucks and the answer from the Powers That Be is to offer and even suckier aggregated time thing. F1 tried it in the past and it didn't last because it was universally hated. This means the vote will not pass, which means we will still have this stupid clock watching system in place in China. Everyone wants the old system back, but they deliberately do not offer that on the vote.

I know it's all a political power play, but can't they all go and scream "Mine!" in a school yard somewhere like a bunch of 5 year olds and leave the racing alone for us that want to watch it?
 
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:44 am

Captain Ned wrote:
EDIT: The FIA site used to show a graphical chart where one could trace a driver from their starting position to their finishing position. They don't do it any more, not least that I can find.
James Allen usually posts one as part of his analysis but it's based on lap time so very busy.
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:05 pm

Starting positions for Chinese Grand Prix
1 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes 95.4
2 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) 95.9 8)
3 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari 96.0
4 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari 96.2
5 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes 96.3
6 Danil Kvyat, Red Bull / (Renault) 96.4
7 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes 96.9
8 Carlos Sainz, Toro Rosso / Ferrari 96.9
9 Max Verstappen, Toro Rosso / Ferrari 97.2
10 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes 97.3
11 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda 98.5
12 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda 97.6
13 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes 97.3 (3-spot penalty for losing a wheel on-track)
14 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari 98.4
15 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari 98.3
16 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari 98.7
17 Kevin Magnussen, Renault 98.7
18 Esteban Gutierrez, Haas / Ferrari 98.8
19 Jolyon Palmer, Renault 99.5
20 Rio Haryanto, Manor / Mercedes 100.3
21 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes - (crashed)
22 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes - (5-spot penalty) :oops:
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:53 pm

I cannot wait to hear the tirades from Lewis as he demands that the team slow Nico down so that he can retake the place he arrogates for himself.

I love it. Looks like Lewis has a bit of the Johnny Manziel in him. Learn quick and become an acolyte of F1 like Alain Prost or you're toast.

EDIT: Is it not obvious that I despise Lewis Hamilton and his prissy demands that the team ensure he always has the better car?
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:55 pm

Results from Shanghai:
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... fication-1
1 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes 100.4 s 338 kph
2 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari 100.6 s 350 kph
3 Danil Kvyat, Red Bull / (Renault) 101.5 s 336 kph
4 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) 101.0 s 350 kph
5 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari 100.6 s 345 kph
6 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes 101.8 s 343 kph
7 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes 100.7 s 347 kph
8 Max Verstappen, Toro Rosso / Ferrari 100.4 s 345 kph
9 Carlos Sainz, Toro Rosso / Ferrari 101.5 s 343 kph
10 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes 101.6 s 348 kph
11 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes 101.8 s 348 kph
12 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda 102.2 s 338 kph
13 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda 100.3 s 338 kph
14 Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari 100.4 s 335 kph
15 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes 99.8 s 345 kph
16 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari 103.3 s 342 kph
17 Kevin Magnussen, Renault 102.3 s 339 kph
18 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes 101.5 s 340 kph
19 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari 99.9 s 340 kph
20 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari 100.6 s 319 kph
21 Rio Haryanto, Manor / Mercedes 102.0 s 342 kph
22 Jolyon Palmer, Renault 102.2 s 324 kph

Kvyat earned himself no friends among the Tifosi with his turn 1 antics.

I didn't understand Hamilton's taking five stops in the first 30 laps (of 56). His teammate cruised through the race with only two stops in total.
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:03 pm

For Hamilton stops were: 1) New front wing after 1st turn crash; 2) Behind safety car put on Super Soft; 3) One lap later replace Super Soft with Softs so they could run Softs to the end with plan for 2 more stops like Rosberg. The problem was the soft wasn't lasting so they had to switch to the Medium, which meant the SS fandango was for nothing.

I wouldn't be to sure about the Tifosi reaction to Kvyat, they appreciate bravery and there was a gap that Kvyat went for. As far as I'm aware he didn't actually touch Vettel, that accident was really just the two Ferraris tripping over each other. Vettel had to blame someone else as Sergio Marchionne was there watching and before the race had put the team on notice that he expected race wins. That's going to be a pretty uncomfortable debrief in the red team garage.
 
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:40 pm

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For Hamilton... the problem was the soft wasn't lasting so they had to switch to the Medium.
The soft tires lasted just fine for Rosberg driving an identically-prepared Mercedes. Was Hamilton so inept that he wore them out in half the number of laps that Nico managed?
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:45 pm

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For Hamilton... the problem was the soft wasn't lasting so they had to switch to the Medium.
The soft tires lasted just fine for Rosberg driving an identically-prepared Mercedes. Is Hamilton so inept that he wore them out in half the number of laps that Nico managed?



Lots more braking in the pack than out in front? Rosberg had a reputation last year for being easier on the tyres as well didn't he?

At least this GP mixed the tables up a bit. What happened to Haas? I was on the verge of being a true believer...
 
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:55 pm

Grosjean spent a long time in the pits after getting caught up in some of the stupidity in turn 1. I don't believe that they ever got the car right after putting the new wing on it.
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Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:21 pm

Hamilton had a lot of damage to the front underside when the wing went underneath. That meant that the front slid more and wore the tyres out more.
 
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:54 pm

It's interesting that for a team so publicly condemning of the lack of power provided by their Renault engine, Ricciardo's Red Bull has been consistently fast so far this season.
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Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:07 am

Agreed. I thought China was meant to be a bit of a power track with the two big straights, but both the Red Bull's did well. They must have wound up the watch in the back :)
 
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:40 am

Preliminary starting positions for Russian Grand Prix
1 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes 95.3
2 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes 96.5
3 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari 96.7
4 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes 97.0
5 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) 97.1
6 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes 97.2
7 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari 96.1 - (5-spot penalty for gearbox change)
8 Danil Kvyat, Red Bull / (Renault) 97.5
9 Max Verstappen, Toro Rosso / Ferrari 97.5
10 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes 95.8
11 Carlos Sainz, Toro Rosso / Ferrari 97.7
12 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda 97.7
13 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes 97.8
14 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda 97.8
15 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari 98.1
16 Esteban Gutierrez, Haas / Ferrari 98.1
17 Kevin Magnussen, Renault 98.9
18 Jolyon Palmer, Renault 99.0
19 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari 99.0
20 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes 99.4
21 Rio Haryanto, Manor / Mercedes 99.5
22 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari 99.5
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Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:47 am

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