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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Oct 02, 2016 9:41 am

A Red Bull 1-2?? Hamilton's engine strategy literally going up in smoke??

I love it.

Go Nico.
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:04 pm

Nico was quietly impressive today - spun by Vettel and dropped to the back of the field, worked his way through without any physical safety cars to bunch the pack up, and negated the 10s penalty with a 13s gap.

I felt his overtake of Kimi wasn't the cleanest, but didn't see anything wrong with it. At most, I'd have expected a few grumbles from Kimi in the post-race interviews, but not a penalty, and particularly not a 10s one. What irked me even more what that a safety-related penalty for speeding in the pitlane resulted in only a 5s penalty for Ocon, but an overtake like this (where Kimi suffered no debilitating damage, nor was he punted out of the race) resulted in a heavy-handed penalty.

Inconsistent stewarding continues to be a bane of F1.

Although I'm not supporting Hamilton, I feel for him, this was quite a random and cruel stroke of luck.
 
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sat Oct 08, 2016 3:34 am

Grand Prix of Japan qualifying and practice lap times (Q3/Q2/Q1/FP3/FP2/FP1):
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... rmation-17
90.6 / 90.7 / 91.9 / 92.1 / 92.3 / 92.4  Nico Rosberg, Mercedes - 315 kph
90.7 / 91.1 / 92.2 / 93.3 / 92.3 / 92.6  Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes - 316 kph
91.2 / 91.2 / 91.7 / 92.8 / 93.1 / 94.4  Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault) - 307 kph
91.2 / 91.7 / 92.5 / 92.4 / 94.2 / 94.1  Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) - 306 kph
92.0 / 92.2 / 92.7 / 93.9 / 93.6 / 94.8  Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes - 309 kph
91.0 / 91.4 / 91.7 / 92.7 / 93.1 / 93.5  Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari - 311 kph - 3-spot penalty for wrecking Rosberg at Sepang
92.0 / 92.2 / 92.5 / 94.3 / 94.2 / 95.7  Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari - 314 kph   :D
90.9 / 91.4 / 91.7 / 93.0 / 92.6 / 93.8  Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari - 312 kph - 5-spot penalty for new gearbox
92.1 / 92.2 / 92.5 / 93.6 / 93.9 / 94.5  Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes - 309 kph
92.5 / 92.2 / 92.6 / 93.8 / 94.6 / 96.2  Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari - 312 kph
----- / 92.3 / 92.4 / 93.9 / 94.0 / 95.4  Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes - 309 kph
----- / 92.4 / 92.6 / 93.3 / 94.1 / 96.2  Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes - 309 kph
----- / 92.6 / 92.6 / 94.0 / 94.3 / 95.4  Danil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari - 304 kph
----- / 92.7 / 92.8 /116.3/ 94.1 / 95.7  Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari - 305 kph
----- / 92.7 / 92.8 / 93.7 / 94.0 / 95.0  Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda - 304 kph
----- / 92.8 / 92.8 / 93.6 / 94.8 / 98.0  Jolyon Palmer, Renault - 311 kph
----- / ----- / 93.0 / 93.6 / 94.3 / 96.8  Kevin Magnussen, Renault - 309 kph
----- / ----- / 93.2 / 94.5 / 96.3 / 96.3  Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari - 307 kph
----- / ----- / 93.3 / 94.4 / 94.8 / 96.0  Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari - 308 kph
----- / ----- / 93.4 / 93.8 / 95.4 / 97.8  Esteban Ocon, Manor / Mercedes - 312 kph
----- / ----- / 93.6 / 97.3 / 95.3 / 98.0  Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes - 314 kph  -  5-spot penalty for new gearbox
----- / ----- / 92.9 / 94.5 / 94.4 / 95.7  Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda - 303 kph -  35-spot penalty for new engine
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Oct 09, 2016 7:03 pm

Results from Suzuka:
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... ication-15
  1 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes  96.0s, 308 kph
  2 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault)  96.4s, 311 kph
  3 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes  95.2s, 313 kph
  4 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari  95.1s, 316 kph
  5 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari  96.0s, 313 kph
  6 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault)  95.5s, 311 kph
  7 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes  96.8s, 309 kph
  8 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes  97.4s, 310 kph
  9 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes  97.8s, 304 kph
10 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes  97.8s, 304 kph
11 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari  97.0s, 313 kph
12 Jolyon Palmer, Renault  98.0s, 309 kph
13 Danil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari  97.6s, 307 kph
14 Kevin Magnussen, Renault  98.0s, 301 kph
15 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari  98.5s, 303 kph
16 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda  98.2s, 314 kph
17 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari  97.7s, 308 kph
18 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda  97.2s, 307 kph
19 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari  98.5s, 302 kph
20 Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari  97.8s, 311 kph
21 Esteban Ocon, Manor / Mercedes  98.4, 303 kph
22 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes  98.0s, 298 kph
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:38 am

Was a pretty good race by recent F1 standards and Suzuka is one of my favorite tracks.  Love those fast esses and narrow track without tons of tarmac runoff area.  Funny how the drivers don't go over the white lines when there is grass or gravel huh?   :P  I can't see how Rosberg is going to lose the championship now.  It would take a Rosberg DNF and Hamilton winning every race (assuming Rosberg comes 2nd).  Crazier things have happened of course (like the 2007 Alonso/Hamilton/Mclaren 3 race meltdown), but it seems highly unlikely.

I just really hope next year there is more than 1 team capable of winning races on a regular basis.  Mercedes domination is boring.  I think they are going the wrong way by adding more complex aero next year which will inevitably be sensitive to "dirty air", but it would at least be better if more than one team can challenge for the championship.  I'd prefer simpler aero and more power, but sadly F1 seems to always do the opposite of what would make it better.
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:42 am

Rosberg has a 33 point lead with four races to go.  Points awarded for 1st through 10th places are: 25, 18, 15, 12, 10, 8, 6, 4, 2, 1.
If Hamilton wins all four remaining races (4x25 = 100 points), then Rosberg needs three seconds and a third to win the championship.  The fact that the gap is larger than 4x(25-18) = 28 points means that the driver's championship is Rosberg's to lose rather than Hamilton's to win.


What would level out the field would be for Formula 1 to stop tinkering with the rules and just stick to one formula for a while.  Each time that the rules are changed, the team with six to ten times the budget and personnel gets more development done in less time so that they gain a major advantage.  If the people running the sport weren't so flighty and just stuck with the same formula, the smaller teams would get closer over time.  The heavily funded team would still be ahead, but the gap would narrow as the designs got closer to optimum.  Look at how much more competitive the Manor team is this year than last as an example.  They're still the slowest, but they've gone from seven seconds back to just two to three seconds back.  If the sport stuck to the same formula for another two years, Manor would be within one second of the fastest team and would be finishing races on the same lap as the leader.
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:40 pm

Grand Prix of the United States of America qualifying and practice lap times (Q3/Q2/Q1/FP3/FP2/FP1):
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... rmation-18
95.0 / 96.5 / 96.3 / 97.5 / 97.6 / 97.4  Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes - 334 kph
95.2 / 96.4 / 96.4 / 97.8 / 97.4 / 97.7  Nico Rosberg, Mercedes - 333 kph
95.5 / 96.2 / 96.8 / 97.0 / 97.6 /100.0 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) - 329 kph
95.7 / 96.9 / 96.6 / 96.8 / 98.3 / 99.4  Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault) - 329 kph
96.1 / 96.6 / 97.0 / 97.3 / 98.9 / 99.4  Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari - 337 kph
96.4 / 96.5 / 97.2 / 97.9 / 98.2 /100.0 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari - 332 kph
96.6 / 96.6 / 97.0 / 97.9 / 98.5 / 99.7  Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes - 332 kph
97.1 / 97.2 / 97.5 / 98.2 / 99.2 / 99.8  Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes - 332 kph
97.3 / 97.2 / 97.4 / 98.6 / 99.3 /100.2 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes - 335 kph
97.3 / 97.2 / 97.7 / 98.7 / 99.0 /100.1 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari - 327 kph
----- / 97.4 / 97.3 / 98.5 / 98.6 / -----  Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes - 334 kph
----- / 97.4 / 97.9 / 98.5 / 98.8 /100.4 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda - 331 kph
----- / 97.5 / 97.8 / 98.7 / 99.2 /100.1 Danil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari - 326 kph
----- / 97.8 / 98.1 / 98.9 /100.1/101.0 Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari - 336 kph
----- / 97.9 / 98.1 / 98.5 / 99.5 /102.3 Jolyon Palmer, Renault - 332 kph
----- / 99.4 / 98.0 / 99.2 /100.2/101.2 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari - 332 kph
----- / ----- / 98.3 / 99.1 / 99.6 /100.8 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari - 338 kph
----- / ----- / 98.3 / 99.1 / 99.2 /101.9 Kevin Magnussen, Renault - 331 kph
----- / ----- / 98.3 / 98.2 / 98.7 /101.7 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda - 329 kph
----- / ----- / 98.5 /101.4/ 101.1/ -----  Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes - 341 kph
----- / ----- / 98.6 / 99.5 / 99.2 /100.3 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari - 333 kph
----- / ----- / 98.8 / 99.8 /100.1/103.9 Esteban Ocon, Manor / Mercedes - 340 kph
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:20 am

Results from Austin:
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... ication-16
  1 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes  102.4s, 328 kph
  2 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes  101.9s, 337 kph
  3 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault)  102.6s, 330 kph
  4 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari  99.9s, 328 kph
  5 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda  103.5s, 334 kph  :D
  6 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari  102.8s, 317 kph
  7 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes  103.4s, 333 kph
  8 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes  103.9s, 332 kph
  9 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda  104.5s, 330 kph
10 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari  104.3s, 339 kph
11 Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari  104.7s, 335 kph
12 Kevin Magnussen, Renault  102.5s, 345 kph - 5s / 1 spot penalty for going off the track to pass Kvyat
13 Jolyon Palmer, Renault  104.7s, 342 kph
14 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari  105.1s, 329 kph
15 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari  104.1, 334 kph
16 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes  105.0s, 343 kph
17 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes  105.5s, 339 kph
18 Esteban Ocon, Manor / Mercedes  103.6, 335 kph
DNF Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari  101.8s, 335 kph
DNF Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault)  102.4s, 337 kph
DNF Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari  105.4s, 319 kph
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:12 am

Grand Prix of Mexico qualifying and practice lap times (Q3/Q2/Q1/FP3/FP2/FP1):
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... rmation-19
78.7 / 79.1 / 79.4 / 79.2 / 79.8 / 80.9  Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes - 361 kph
79.0 / 79.8 / 80.0 / 79.6 / 80.2 / 81.7  Nico Rosberg, Mercedes - 362 kph
79.1 / 79.0 / 79.9 / 79.1 / 80.6 / 82.9  Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault) - 358 kph
79.1 / 79.6 / 79.7 / 79.4 / 80.4 / 81.7  Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) - 358 kph
79.3 / 79.8 / 80.6 / 80.3 / 80.6 / 81.4  Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes - 358 kph
79.4 / 79.9 / 79.6 / 80.0 / 80.3 / 81.0  Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari - 362 kph
79.4 / 79.4 / 79.9 / 79.9 / 79.8 / 81.0  Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari - 363 kph
79.6 / 80.0 / 80.3 / 79.8 / 80.6 / 81.4  Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes - 365 kph
80.0 / 80.2 / 80.4 / 80.0 / 81.3 / 81.8  Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes - 366 kph = 227 mph
80.4 / 80.2 / 80.5 / 80.3 / 81.0 / 82.6  Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari - 351 kph
----- / 80.3 / 80.6 / 80.6 / 81.0 / 83.1  Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda - 357 kph
----- / 80.3 / 80.3 / 80.5 / 81.6 / 81.2  Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes - 360 kph
----- / 80.7 / 81.3 / 81.2 / 81.2 / 83.3  Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda - 356 kph
----- / 81.1 / 81.3 / 81.3 / 81.4 / 83.6  Kevin Magnussen, Renault - 360 kph
----- / 81.5 / 81.1 / 81.2 / 82.0 / 82.7  Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari - 362 kph
----- / 81.8 / 81.4 / 81.8 / 82.0 / 84.4  Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes - 363 kph
----- / ----- / 81.4 / 81.3 / 82.4 / 82.9  Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari - 359 kph
----- / ----- / 81.5 / 80.6 / 81.2 / 82.2  Danil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari - 348 kph
----- / ----- / 81.7 / 82.4 / 82.0 / 83.1  Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari - 359 kph
----- / ----- / 81.9 / 81.9 / 82.3 / 84.1  Esteban Ocon, Manor / Mercedes - 364 kph
----- / ----- / -----  / 81.0 / 81.8 / 84.1 Jolyon Palmer, Renault
----- / ----- / 81.9 / 81.6 / 82.1 / 82.5  Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari - 357 kph - started from the pit lane due to replacing floor after qualifying.
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:57 pm

Results from Mexico City:
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... ication-17
  1 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes  82.6s, 364 kph
  2 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes  82.8s, 363 kph - not penalized for leaving the track to stay ahead of Verstappen at the start
  3 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault)  81.1s, 364 kph
  4 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault)  82.9s, 363 kph - 5s 1-spot penalty for leaving the track to stay ahead of Vettel, not penalized for bumping Rosberg at the start
  5 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari  82.5s, 368 kph - 10s 2-spot penalty for colliding with Ricciardo
  6 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari  82.5s, 367 kph
  7 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes 83.3s, 363 kph
  8 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes  83.5s, 373 kph = 231½ mph
  9 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes  83.6s, 372 kph
10 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes  83.6s, 371 kph
11 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari  84.3s, 360 kph
12 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda  83.8s, 366 kph
13 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda  83.7s, 367 kph  :D
14 Jolyon Palmer, Renault  84.6s, 359 kph
15 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari  83.7, 363 kph
16 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari  84.5s, 348 kph - 5s 1-spot penalty for forcing Alonso into the grass at over 100 mph
17 Kevin Magnussen, Renault  83.1s, 344 kph - has been offered Gutiérrez' ride at Haas for 2017
18 Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari  83.6s, 357 kph - 5s 2-spot penalty for leaving the track to pass Grosjean
19 Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari  83.5s, 364 kph - not penalized for crashing Wehrlein out of the race at the start
20 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari  83.3s, 360 kph
21 Esteban Ocon, Manor / Mercedes  85.0s, 352 kph
DNF Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes ----, 300 kph
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:07 am

Drivers' championship standings after nineteen of twenty-one races:
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... ifications
349 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, 9 wins
330 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 8 wins
242 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault), 1 win
187 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari, 6 podiums
178 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 4 podiums
177 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault), 1 win
  85 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes, 2 podiums
  85 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes, 1 podium
  60 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes, best finish: 4th
  52 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda, best finish: 5th (twice)
  51 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes, best finish: 5th (twice)
  38 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari, best finish: 6th (twice)
  29 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari, best finish: 5th
  25 Danil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari, 1 podium
  21 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda, best finish: 6th
    7 Kevin Magnussen, Renault, best finish: 7th
    1 Jolyon Palmer, Renault, best finish: 10th
    1 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes, best finish: 10th
    1 Stoffel Vandoorne, McLaren / Honda, only finish: 10th
    0 Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari, best finish: 11th (five times)
    0 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari, best finish: 12th (three times)
    0 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari, best finish: 12th
    0 Rio Haryanto, Manor / Mercedes, best finish: 15th
    0 Esteban Ocon, Manor / Mercedes, best finish: 16th (twice)

If Hamilton wins both remaining races (25 points x2) in Brazil and Abu Dhabi, then Rosberg must finish second in one race and third in the other (18 + 15 points) to win the championship.
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:11 pm

Hamilton has never won at Interlagos either, and often even struggles to beat his teammates (he has yet to beat Rosberg there in the same car).
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:17 am

Silly Season is proceeding.  The action has all been in the bottom 2/3 of the grid.  Only the four seats with the bottom two teams remain to be set for 2017.
Mercedes:  No changes - Lewis Hamilton & Nico Rosberg
Red Bull:  No changes - Daniel Ricciardo & Max Verstappen
Ferrari:  No changes - Sebastian Vettel & Kimi Raikkonen
Force India:  Sergio Perez is retained.  Nico Hulkenberg is jumping ship to Renault.  Esteban Ocon (from Manor) will replace him.
Williams:  Valtteri Bottas is retained.  Felipe Massa will retire.  Lance Stroll (from Formula 3) will replace him.
McLaren:  Fernando Alonso is retained.  Jenson Button will "go on sabbatical".  Stoffel Vandoorne (from GP2) will replace him.
Toro Rosso:  No changes - Carlos Sainz Jr. & Daniil Kvyat
Haas:  Romain Grojean is retained.  Esteban Gutiérrez will be released.  Kevin Magnussen (from Renault) will replace him.
Renault:  Jolyon Palmer is retained.  Kevin Magnussen will be released (to Haas).  Nico Hulkenberg will be added (from Force India).
Manor: Esteban Ocon is jumping ship to Force India.  Pascal Wehrlein's contract has expired but could be renewed.
Sauber:  Marcus Ericcson's and Felipe Nasr's contracts have expired, but could be renewed.
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:53 am

There's also been a lot of chatter about Ross Brawn getting a role in F1 to setup the rules. That would be fantastic, far better than Bernie tossing out silly ideas all over the place that get implemented without being thought through and then rejected (double points, qualifying changes, etc, etc).
 
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:52 pm

Grand Prix of Brazil qualifying and practice lap times (Q3/Q2/Q1/FP3/FP2/FP1):
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... ormation-2
70.7 / 71.2 / 71.5 / 71.8 / 72.3 / 71.9  Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes - 335 kph
70.8 / 71.4 / 71.8 / 71.7 / 72.3 / 72.1  Nico Rosberg, Mercedes - 338 kph
71.4 / 72.3 / 72.1 / 72.0 / 73.0 / 73.6  Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari - 338 kph
71.5 / 71.8 / 72.0 / 72.1 / 72.9 / 72.0  Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault) - 326 kph
71.5 / 72.0 / 72.2 / 72.0 / 73.0 / 73.6  Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari - 333 kph
71.5 / 72.0 / 72.4 / 72.3 / 72.8 / 72.4  Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) - 330 kph
71.9 / 72.3 / 72.9 / 73.3 / 74.1 / 74.5  Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari - 336 kph :)
72.1 / 72.4 / 72.4 / 73.2 / 73.3 / 73.3  Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes - 334 kph
72.2 / 72.3 / 72.7 / 73.2 / 73.9 / 73.3  Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes - 336 kph
72.3 / 72.3 / 72.7 / 73.0 / 73.6 / 74.3  Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda - 326 kph
----- / 72.4 / 72.7 / 72.6 / 72.8 / 73.1  Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes - 331 kph
----- / 72.4 / 73.1 / 73.6 / 74.6 / -----  Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari - 333 kph
----- / 72.5 / 72.4 / 73.0 / 72.8 / 73.3  Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes - 334 kph
----- / 72.7 / 73.1 / 73.6 / 73.7 / 74.1  Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari - 327 kph
----- / 72.9 / 73.0 / 73.3 / 73.8 / 73.7  Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari - 327 kph
----- / 73.3 / 73.3 / 73.0 / 74.4 / 74.9 Jolyon Palmer, Renault - 327 kph
----- / ----- / 73.3 / 73.8 / 73.4 / 74.3  Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda - 326 kph
----- / ----- / 73.4 / 73.3 / 74.1 / -----  Kevin Magnussen, Renault - 318 kph
----- / ----- / 73.4 / 74.0 / 75.0 / 74.9  Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes - 323 kph
----- / ----- / 73.6 / ----- / 74.7 / 74.7  Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari - 330 kph
----- / ----- / 73.7 / 74.0 / 74.3 / 74.6  Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari - 323 kph
----- / ----- / 73.4 / 74.2 / 74.3 / 74.8  Esteban Ocon, Manor / Mercedes - 330 kph - 3-spot penalty for impeding Palmer in Q1.

For the second race in a row, Werhlein's Manor is 2.7 seconds slower than Hamilton's Mercedes.  Meanwhile, look at how tightly all four of the Red Bull and Ferrari entries are bunched at 0.7 seconds behind the two Mercedes.
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:19 pm

man that was a wild race!
 
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Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:55 pm

Results from São Paulo:
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... ication-18
  1 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes  85.6s, 280 kph
  2 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes  86.2s, 286 kph
  3 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault)  85.3s, 296 kph - clearly the most talented driver in today's race, despite bad strategy calls by his Red Bull team
  4 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes  87.1s, 287 kph
  5 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari  86.2s, 288 kph
  6 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari  87.2s, 280 kph - third time finishing 6th this season
  7 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes  86.7s, 281 kph - remarkable recovery after going to the back of the field with a puncture
  8 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault)  85.5s, 289 kph
  9 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari  87.5, 271 kph - first points by any Sauber driver this season   :D
10 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda  87.1s, 283 kph
11 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes  86.1s, 285 kph
12 Esteban Ocon, Manor / Mercedes  87.8, 271 kph - best finish of his first F1 season
13 Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari  87.5s, 286 kph
14 Kevin Magnussen, Renault  86.5s, 269 kph
15 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes  87.9s, 272 kph
16 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda  87.0s, 280 kph
DNF Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari  87.8s, 273 kph
DNF Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes  86.8s, 259 kph
DNF Jolyon Palmer, Renault  84.3s, 230 kph
DNF Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari  88.8s, 251 kph
DNF Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari  91.3s, 251 kph
DNF Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:06 pm

The 2016 Formula 1 drivers championship comes down to the last race between the two Mercedes drivers.  With just a 12 point lead, this table summarizes what Nico Rosberg must do to win his first championship.
HAM - ROS
1st   -   3rd or better
2nd  -   6th or better
3rd   -  8th or better
4th   - 10th or better
5th  -  ----
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Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:12 pm

So, who will be assigned to take out Rosberg at the first corner?

C'mon, it's not like Bernie Ecclestone is even trying to be impartial here.
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Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:31 pm

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So, who will be assigned to take out Rosberg at the first corner?

C'mon, it's not like Bernie Ecclestone is even trying to be impartial here.

Did Keke steal Bernie's girl back in the day or something? What's the beef with Bernie against Nico?

Looks like Max may eventually achieve what his dad did not achieve during his career and could become the real "boss" if the stars align for him. I like what Max has done so far in his early F1 career.
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:34 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:
The 2016 Formula 1 drivers championship comes down to the last race between the two Mercedes drivers.  With just a 12 point lead, this table summarizes what Nico Rosberg must do to win his first championship.
HAM - ROS
1st   -   3rd or better
2nd  -   6th or better
3rd   -  8th or better
4th   - 10th or better
5th  -  ----


So basically as we've thought all along it will take a Rosberg crash or mechanical DNF to lose the championship.  Not impossible of course, but in a "normal" race there is just no way Rosberg is going to finish lower than 3rd (or even 2nd).  I don't think there is much chance of rain in Abu Dhabi either.   :P
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:47 pm

http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... ifications
Rosberg:
1st:  9 times
2nd:  4
3rd:  2
4th:  2
5th:  1
6th:  0
7th:  1
8th or lower:  0
DNF:  1

Hamilton:
1st:  9 times
2nd:  3
3rd:  4
4th:  0
5th:  1
6th:  0
7th:  1
8th or lower:  0
DNF:  2

Travbrad's "impossible" has happened to Mercedes 15 times in 20 races this season.
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:06 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-one-world-championship/season-2016/2016-classifications
Rosberg:
1st:  9 times
2nd:  4
3rd:  2
4th:  2
5th:  1
6th:  0
7th:  1
8th or lower:  0
DNF:  1

Hamilton:
1st:  9 times
2nd:  3
3rd:  4
4th:  0
5th:  1
6th:  0
7th:  1
8th or lower:  0
DNF:  2

Travbrad's "impossible" has happened to Mercedes 15 times in 20 races this season.

I said it's "not impossible"  :wink:  Just unlikely that's all (and the bookies agree).  Finishing lower than 3rd has only happened to Nico 5 times also and...

-One of those five times was when Lewis and Nico crashed into each other (which would hand Nico the championship at this point)

-Another one was a wet (Monaco) race.  The last race is in Abu Dhabi which gets virtually no rain.

-Another crash in Austria between them, which could have easily ended both their races if the contact was more extreme (and why would Nico fight this hard when he only needs 2nd/3rd in Abu Dhabi?)

-A penalty in Germany for forcing a driver off the track. Again he's probably less likely to do this with the championship at stake when he only needs to finish 3rd or better.

Finishing 3rd is assuming Hamilton is leading in the first place too, and with how many bad starts he has had this season that is far from inevitable.
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:48 pm

Congrats to Nico and Hamilton is a whinging pussy who refused to run at his full pace because doing so suited his objective. I would have taken him out at the first turn. F1 has had enough prima donnas in its past and it would do well to shuck them off.

Bloody wanker thinks he should get the trophy at the start of the season and not even have to run the races. Put him in a start&park NASCAR ride for a couple of years to teach him some humility. The aura of noblesse oblige that just drips from him makes one want to punch him square in his face.
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Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:16 am

I've got to disagree with you there Ned.

Full credit to Rosberg, that was an incredibly tough season and he has often been under rated as a driver in the past, but he has finally won the World Championship he richly deserved.

Hamilton is a racer. He broke no racing rules and did everything he could to win the championship. We've seen other championships settled by cars deliberately hitting each other. I know Hamilton couldn't do that or he would lose, but I don't think he would have done that, and nothing that he did do got anywhere close to that.

We got a thrilling final race. If Hamilton had put his foot to the floor and vanished off in to the distance with Rosberg chasing after him, that race would have been a snooze fest.
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:17 am

Rosberg retires! Wow, that's a shock but I can see his point of view. That's also a nice juicy seat going free for next year, does Wehrlein have enough experience for it or do they look elsewhere?
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:38 am

He probably has enough of Hamilton, and may be also want to "spend time with family" too. Like father like son too, just stopping at 1?
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:58 am

Wow.  31 years old and burned out on the sport... What will he find to occupy the rest of his life?

It certainly throws the silly season wide open again.  There are plenty of talented drivers who would love to have the overwhelming performance advantage of driving the Mercedes, even if it meant putting up with Lewis Hamilton as a frenemy.
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Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:37 pm

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Wow.  31 years old and burned out on the sport... What will he find to occupy the rest of his life?

Would you want to spend another 20+ race season with a little ballerina? Seems that Sir Jackie agrees with my assessment.
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Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:27 am

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Wow.  31 years old and burned out on the sport... What will he find to occupy the rest of his life?

Would you want to spend another 20+ race season with a little ballerina? Seems that Sir Jackie agrees with my assessment.

I would have thought he meant "prima donna"?
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