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The last thing Formula 1 needs right now is a repeat drivers champion. I take great joy in seeing Lewis Hamilton struggle this year.

The next thing that needs to be dealt with is the departure of Bernie.

Hamilton also picked up his 2nd driving reprimand for missing the bollard in the turn 2 run off area. 3 driving reprimands in a season is an automatic 10 place grid drop, anyone want to bet on when that will happen?

End User wrote:

The last thing Formula 1 needs right now is a repeat drivers champion. I take great joy in seeing Lewis Hamilton struggle this year.

The next thing that needs to be dealt with is the departure of Bernie.

The problem is with 1 Mercedes always out of contention the winner of every race is a forgone conclusion and there is never a battle for the lead of any races, since realistically without mechanical problems Mercedes is the only team that can win. The racing behind that has been fairly good this year though. Maybe some day we will actually get multiple teams with a chance of winning.

notfred wrote:

Hamilton also picked up his 2nd driving reprimand for missing the bollard in the turn 2 run off area. 3 driving reprimands in a season is an automatic 10 place grid drop, anyone want to bet on when that will happen?

It's likely he will have at least one engine penalty some time this year too with how fast they seem to be failing on him. It's a long season but without some major problems for Rosberg it's going to be hard to catch up.

notfred wrote:

Hamilton also picked up his 2nd driving reprimand for missing the bollard in the turn 2 run off area.

I was a bit confused when the commentators said that Hamilton had committed a blue line violation.

notfred wrote:

I wouldn't be too sure about the Tifosi reaction to Kvyat, they appreciate bravery.

Kvyat was brave to Vettel again--twice in the first three corners.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsGdMhrZ3Mk

If Vettel wouldn't keep getting qualifying grid penalties he wouldn't have to joust with Kvyat.

Driver's championship standings after four of twenty-one races:
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... ifications
100 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes
57 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes
43 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari
36 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault)
33 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari
32 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes
22 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari
21 Danil Kvyat, Red Bull / (Renault)
19 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes
13 Max Verstappen, Toro Rosso / Ferrari
8 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda
6 Kevin Magnussen, Renault
6 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes
4 Carlos Sainz, Toro Rosso / Ferrari
2 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes
1 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda
1 Stoffel Vandoorne, McLaren / Honda
0 Jolyon Palmer, Renault
0 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari
0 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes
0 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari
0 Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari
0 Rio Haryanto, Manor / Mercedes

Results from Sochi:
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... fication-2
1 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes 99.1 s 328 kph
2 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes 100.3 s 326 kph
3 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari 100.1 s 324 kph
4 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes 101.2 s 324 kph
5 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes 99.7 s 313 kph
6 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda 100.3 s 318 kph
7 Kevin Magnussen, Renault 101.8 s 316 kph
8 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari 102.0 s 313 kph
9 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes 101.9 s 335 kph
10 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda 101.7 s 332 kph
11 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) 101.2 s 328 kph
12 Carlos Sainz, Toro Rosso / Ferrari 102.2 s 327 kph
13 Jolyon Palmer, Renault 102.7 s 313 kph
14 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari 102.1 s 317 kph
15 Danil Kvyat, Red Bull / (Renault) 102.3 s 328 kph
16 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari 102.3 s 312 kph
17 Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari 102.4 s 304 kph
18 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes 101.9 s 327 kph
DNF Max Verstappen, Toro Rosso / Ferrari 102.0 s 303 kph
DNF Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari
DNF Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes
DNF Rio Haryanto, Manor / Mercedes

Aside from Kvyat's punting Vettel into the wall after two collisions in the first three turns, I was most surprised to see Red Bull put the very slow "medium" tires on both of their cars during the resulting safety car period. The NBCSN commentators had told the viewing audience at least four times in the previous half hour that no-one wanted to run the medium tires at this track. Ricciardo and his team had selected ten sets of super-soft tires for the race, and had only the minimum of soft and medium tires on-hand. How did they miscalculate so badly in the heat of the moment after weeks of planning to run the softest tires available?

Kvyat relegated:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/red-bull-dro ... 4--f1.html

huh well jokes were made after the incident last sunday but I didn't think they'd actually do it. I hope Verstappen doesn't screw this chance up

I wonder if they were already planning to swap Verstappen/Kvyat before the Sochi incidents, but were just waiting till after the Russian grand prix since demoting a Russian driver probably wouldn't be great for PR. *puts on conspiracy hat*

Grand Prix of Spain (Catalunya) qualifying / practice lap times (Q3/Q2/Q1/FP3/FP2/FP1):
82.0 / 82.2 / 83.2 / 83.2 / 84.6 / 84.6 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes - 335 kph
82.3 / 82.8 / 83.0 / 83.1 / 83.9 / 84.5 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes - 335 kph
82.7 / 83.6 / 83.7 / 83.8 / 85.2 / 85.4 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) - 329 kph
83.1 / 83.2 / 83.6 / 83.7 / 85.4 / 85.6 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault) - 335 kph
83.1 / 83.5 / 83.8 / 84.1 / 84.2 / 84.1 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari - 334 kph
83.3 / 83.7 / 84.1 / 83.2 / 85.0 / 84.0 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari - 334 kph
83.5 / 84.0 / 84.3 / 84.4 / 85.7 / 85.7 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes - 336 kph
83.6 / 84.1 / 84.5 / 84.7 / 85.1 / 86.1 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari - 328 kph
83.8 / 84.0 / 84.7 / 84.5 / 85.4 / 87.1 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes - 337 kph
84.0 / 84.2 / 84.6 / 84.6 / 85.3 / 86.2 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda - 328 kph
----- / 84.2 / 84.5 / 84.6 / 85.5 / 86.9 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes - 337 kph
----- / 84.3 / 84.6 / 85.1 / 85.9 / 87.6 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda - 329 kph
----- / 84.4 / 84.7 / 84.6 / 86.4 / 86.6 Danil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari - 330 kph
----- / 84.5 / 84.7 / 85.0 / 85.9 / 87.3 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari - 333 kph
----- / 84.6 / 84.7 / 85.1 / 86.2 / 86.6 Kevin Magnussen, Renault - 329 kph
----- / 84.8 / 84.4 / 85.1 / 88.2 / 87.3 Esteban Gutierrez, Haas / Ferrari - 337 kph
----- / ----- / 84.9 / 85.4 / 86.8 / ----- Jolyon Palmer, Renault - 328 kph
----- / ----- / 84.9 / 84.6 / 86.5 / 86.2 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes - 335 kph
----- / ----- / 85.2 / 85.4 / 88.5 / 87.4 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari - 332 kph
----- / ----- / 85.6 / 85.4 / 87.8 / 87.3 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari - 334 kph
----- / ----- / 85.7 / 86.1 / 87.0 / 88.1 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes - 342 kph
----- / ----- / 85.9 / 86.3 / 87.3 / 89.1 Rio Haryanto, Manor / Mercedes - 341 kph

Sebastian should have kept his mouth shut after Kvyat bumped him off the road. Verstappen out-qualified both Ferraris.

Driver's championship standings after five of twenty-one races:
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... ifications
100 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes
61 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari
57 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes
48 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari
48 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault)
38 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault)
36 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes
29 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes
22 Danil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari
22 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari
12 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari
8 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda
8 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes
6 Kevin Magnussen, Renault
6 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes
3 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda
1 Stoffel Vandoorne, McLaren / Honda
0 Jolyon Palmer, Renault
0 Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari
0 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari
0 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes
0 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari
0 Rio Haryanto, Manor / Mercedes

Bloody 'ell, I'm getting good and sick of Hamilton's attitude of entitlement. He thinks Rosberg should let him through? Idiot.

Captain Ned wrote:

Bloody 'ell, I'm getting good and sick of Hamilton's attitude of entitlement. He thinks Rosberg should let him through? Idiot.

Hamilton would be better served if he drove with the maturity of Verstappen.

Max is now the boss!

Steward's document #33 says that neither Nico nor Lewis was at fault for crashing ≈$15,000,000 worth of Mercedes automobiles on the first lap. Maybe the F1A decided that having a team debrief with Dr. Zetsche present was punishment enough.

Results from Catalunya:
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... fication-3
1 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault) 88.8s, 337 kph - Youngest race winner in Formula 1 history
2 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari 88.5s, 340 kph
3 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari 88.0s, 338 kph
4 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) 88.2s, 341 kph - Blew a tire with one lap to go and still came home fourth.
5 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes 89.1s, 329 kph
6 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari 89.7s, 326 kph
7 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes 89.8s, 337 kph
8 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes 89.2s, 346 kph
9 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda 90.3s, 341 kph
10 Danil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari 86.9s, 338 kph
11 Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari 90.1s, 341 kph
12 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari 89.7s, 343 kph
13 Jolyon Palmer, Renault 89.8s, 338 kph
14 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari 89.9s, 335 kph
15 Kevin Magnussen, Renault 88.7s, 334 kph - lost a spot due to a 10-second penalty for running Palmer off of the track
16 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes 91.2, 343 kph
17 Rio Haryanto, Manor / Mercedes 89.4, 343 kph
DNF Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari 89.0s, 340 kph
DNF Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda 89.8s, 333 kph
DNF Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes 91.8s, 343 kph
DNF Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes
DNF Nico Rosberg, Mercedes

JustAnEngineer wrote:

Steward's document #33 says that neither Nico nor Lewis was at fault

That was the right decision for the stewards to make.

The team (Mercedes) is handling this very well. Time to move on.

End User wrote:

That was the right decision for the stewards to make.

The team (Mercedes) is handling this very well. Time to move on.

Stewards? Yes

Mercedes? They need to sit pouty-boy down and tell him that his belief that he's "Team #1" and all that he thinks comes with it (like Nico just getting out of his way) is simply wrong. Whiny little pissy bitch.

Captain Ned wrote:

End User wrote:

That was the right decision for the stewards to make.

The team (Mercedes) is handling this very well. Time to move on.

Stewards? Yes

Mercedes? They need to sit pouty-boy down and tell him that his belief that he's "Team #1" and all that he thinks comes with it (like Nico just getting out of his way) is simply wrong. Whiny little pissy bitch.

Post race, during the Sky Sports F1 interview, Hamilton apologized to the team. While I have no love for him I respect what he said and how he has acted post incident.

BTW, I fracking love the Sky F1 coverage. Prior to this year my TV provider had always gone with BBC coverage.

End User wrote:

BTW, I fracking love the Sky F1 coverage. Prior to this year my TV provider had always gone with BBC coverage.

I get whatever NBC Sports Network decides to pass along.

End User wrote:

BTW, I fracking love the Sky F1 coverage. Prior to this year my TV provider had always gone with BBC coverage.

From what I can gather (since I am not in the UK), ITV in the old days was good, then BBC came in and was sort of bad. So now Sky is good?

Flying Fox wrote:

End User wrote:

BTW, I fracking love the Sky F1 coverage. Prior to this year my TV provider had always gone with BBC coverage.

From what I can gather (since I am not in the UK), ITV in the old days was good, then BBC came in and was sort of bad. So now Sky is good?

Sky Sports F1 pre-quail, quali, pre-race, race, and post-race. Lovely stuff.

I'm in Canada.

End User wrote:

Flying Fox wrote:

End User wrote:

BTW, I fracking love the Sky F1 coverage. Prior to this year my TV provider had always gone with BBC coverage.

From what I can gather (since I am not in the UK), ITV in the old days was good, then BBC came in and was sort of bad. So now Sky is good?

Sky Sports F1 pre-quail, quali, pre-race, race, and post-race. Lovely stuff.

I'm in Canada.

TSN now uses the Sky feed? That will be good for once... With Robbers monopoly there is not much choice.

End User wrote:

Post race, during the Sky Sports F1 interview, Hamilton apologized to the team.
I fracking love the Sky F1 coverage. Prior to this year my TV provider had always gone with BBC coverage.

Captain Ned wrote:

I get whatever NBC Sports Network decides to pass along.

NBCSN preempted the usual post-race coverage to bring us live English Premier League soccer games on multiple channels. A quick blurb referred us to the web site.
http://www.nbcsports.com/video/event/spanish-grand-prix

Monaco qualifying / practice lap times (Q3/Q2/Q1/FP3/FP2/FP1):
73.6 / 74.4 / 74.9 / 74.8 / 74.6 / 76.3 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) - 294 kph
73.8 / 74.0 / 74.9 / 74.8 / 75.5 / 75.6 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes - 297 kph
73.9 / 74.1 / 74.8 / 74.7 / 75.2 / 75.5 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes - 296 kph
74.6 / 74.3 / 74.6 / 74.7 / 76.3 / 76.0 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari - 291 kph
74.7 / 75.0 / 75.3 / 75.7 / 76.5 / 76.6 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes - 295 kph
74.7 / 74.8 / 75.5 / 75.3 / 76.0 / 77.1 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari - 285 kph
74.9 / 74.9 / 75.3 / 75.4 / 76.1 / 76.7 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes - 296 kph
75.3 / 74.8 / 75.4 / 76.3 / 75.8 / 76.4 Danil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari - 285 kph
75.4 / 75.1 / 75.5 / 76.3 / 76.7 / 77.8 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda - 290 kph
----- / 75.3 / 75.5 / 76.3 / 76.8 / 77.6 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes - 295 kph
74.7 / 74.8 / 75.5 / 75.6 / 76.0 / 76.9 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari - 290 kph - penalized 5 spots for gearbox change
----- / 75.3 / 75.6 / 76.4 / 76.8 / 77.9 Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari - 291 kph
----- / 75.4 / 75.6 / 76.3 / 76.3 / 77.9 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda - 291 kph
----- / 75.4 / 75.7 / 76.1 / 77.3 / 78.7 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes - 296 kph
----- / 75.6 / 75.5 / 76.5 / 76.9 / 77.6 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari - 292 kph
----- / 76.1 / 76.3 / 76.4 / 77.5 / 78.3 Kevin Magnussen, Renault - 290 kph
----- / ----- / 76.3 / 77.0 / 77.6 / 78.3 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari - 291 kph
----- / ----- / 76.6 / 77.5 / 77.8 / 78.9 Jolyon Palmer, Renault - 290 kph
----- / ----- / 77.3 / 78.2 / 78.6 / 80.5 Rio Haryanto, Manor / Mercedes - 296 kph
----- / ----- / 77.5 / 77.6 / 78.8 / 80.9 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes - 298 kph
----- / ----- / 82.5 / 75.1 / 75.6 / 76.4 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault) - 289 kph - "crunched the wall"
----- / ----- / ----- / 76.9 / 78.0 / 78.2 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari - 215 kph - "big kablammo"

The weather forecast calls for rain during tomorrow's race.

JustAnEngineer wrote:

Monaco qualifying / practice lap times (Q3/Q2/Q1/FP3/FP2/FP1):
73.6 / 74.4 / 74.9 / 74.8 / 74.6 / 76.3 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) - 294 kph
73.8 / 74.0 / 74.9 / 74.8 / 75.5 / 75.6 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes - 297 kph
73.9 / 74.1 / 74.8 / 74.7 / 75.2 / 75.5 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes - 296 kph
74.6 / 74.3 / 74.6 / 74.7 / 76.3 / 76.0 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari - 291 kph
74.7 / 75.0 / 75.3 / 75.7 / 76.5 / 76.6 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes - 295 kph
74.7 / 74.8 / 75.5 / 75.3 / 76.0 / 77.1 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari - 285 kph
74.9 / 74.9 / 75.3 / 75.4 / 76.1 / 76.7 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes - 296 kph
75.3 / 74.8 / 75.4 / 76.3 / 75.8 / 76.4 Danil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari - 285 kph
75.4 / 75.1 / 75.5 / 76.3 / 76.7 / 77.8 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda - 290 kph
----- / 75.3 / 75.5 / 76.3 / 76.8 / 77.6 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes - 295 kph
74.7 / 74.8 / 75.5 / 75.6 / 76.0 / 76.9 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari - 290 kph - penalized 5 spots for gearbox change
----- / 75.3 / 75.6 / 76.4 / 76.8 / 77.9 Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari - 291 kph
----- / 75.4 / 75.6 / 76.3 / 76.3 / 77.9 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda - 291 kph
----- / 75.4 / 75.7 / 76.1 / 77.3 / 78.7 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes - 296 kph
----- / 75.6 / 75.5 / 76.5 / 76.9 / 77.6 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari - 292 kph
----- / 76.1 / 76.3 / 76.4 / 77.5 / 78.3 Kevin Magnussen, Renault - 290 kph
----- / ----- / 76.3 / 77.0 / 77.6 / 78.3 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari - 291 kph
----- / ----- / 76.6 / 77.5 / 77.8 / 78.9 Jolyon Palmer, Renault - 290 kph
----- / ----- / 77.3 / 78.2 / 78.6 / 80.5 Rio Haryanto, Manor / Mercedes - 296 kph
----- / ----- / 77.5 / 77.6 / 78.8 / 80.9 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes - 298 kph
----- / ----- / 82.5 / 75.1 / 75.6 / 76.4 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault) - 289 kph - "crunched the wall"
----- / ----- / ----- / 76.9 / 78.0 / 78.2 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari - 215 kph - "big kablammo"

The weather forecast calls for rain during tomorrow's race.

Thanks for posting that info.

Look at the low top speed of the Toro Rosso. That chassis must be amazing.

I've noticed that the Manor cars have consistently had some of the highest trap speeds this season, yet they have by far the slowest lap times. Apparently, the other teams are adding more drag and using the downforce generated to get around the corners quicker.

End User wrote:

Look at the low top speed of the Toro Rosso. That chassis must be amazing.

Given the closeness of each driver to their team mate in those speed traps, it's likely they're mostly topped out at the rev-limit, implying that the lower speeds are closer gearboxes for better acceleration in Monaco's twisty bits.

If it's not that, it'll be because the Toro Rosso cars have been configured for the most downforce today (at the obvious detriment to top speed and acceleration at higher speeds).