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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun May 29, 2016 11:40 am

Ricciardo's team cost him the race when they inexplicably had no tires ready to put onto his car when he pitted on lap 32, stretching a typical 2½ second pit stop into more than 13 seconds and allowing Hamilton to pass.

Results from Monte Carlo:
1 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 77.9s
2 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) 78.3s
3 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes 78.4s 8)
4 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari 78.0s
5 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda 79.2s :)
6 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes 79.2s
7 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes 78.8s :-?
8 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari 78.5s
9 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda 79.7s
10 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes 79.2s
11 Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari 79.1s
12 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes 79.2s - 10s penalty for hitting Gutiérrez cost him a spot
13 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari 80.2s - Grosjean was an innocent victim of Raikkonen's craash
14 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes 80.4s - 20s of penalties for ignoring blue flags and speeding under virtual safety car cost him a spot
15 Rio Haryanto, Manor / Mercedes 79.9s
DNF Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari 81.3s - Penalized 3 grid spots at the next race for crashing his teammate
DNF Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari 81.9s
DNF Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault) 86.6s
DNF Kevin Magnussen, Renault 89.8s
DNF Danil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari 97.9s - Penalized 3 grid spots at the next race for bumping his way past Magnussen
DNF Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari 107.1s
DNF Jolyon Palmer, Renault 118.5s
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun May 29, 2016 12:00 pm

Driver's championship standings after six of twenty-one races:
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... ifications
106 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes
82 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes
66 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault)
61 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari
60 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari
38 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault)
37 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes
29 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes
23 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes
22 Danil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari
22 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari
18 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda
16 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari
14 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes
6 Kevin Magnussen, Renault
5 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda
1 Stoffel Vandoorne, McLaren / Honda
0 Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari
0 Jolyon Palmer, Renault
0 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari
0 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes
0 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari
0 Rio Haryanto, Manor / Mercedes
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sat Jun 04, 2016 2:01 pm

Yep it seems Hamilton has managed to transfer his bad luck to Ricciardo somehow. He should have 2 race wins in a row now, but instead he has a 4th and 2nd place.
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:55 am

Montreal qualifying / practice lap times (Q3/Q2/Q1/FP3/FP2/FP1):
72.8 / 73.1 / 74.1 / 74.3 / 74.2 / 74.8 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes - 331 kph
72.9 / 73.1 / 73.7 / 74.3 / 74.7 / 75.1 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes - 333 kph
73.0 / 73.9 / 73.9 / 73.9 / 74.5 / 75.2 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari - 335 kph
73.2 / 73.5 / 74.0 / 74.5 / 75.2 / 76.7 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) - 332 kph
73.4 / 73.8 / 74.6 / 74.2 / 75.2 / 75.6 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault) - 332 kph
73.6 / 73.8 / 74.5 / 74.3 / 75.2 / 75.6 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari - 334 kph
73.7 / 73.8 / 74.4 / 75.0 / 75.2 / 76.3 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes - 337 kph
73.8 / 73.9 / 74.8 / 74.9 / 75.5 / 77.1 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes - 337 kph
74.0 / 74.2 / 74.7 / 74.9 / 75.3 / 76.5 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes - 333 kph
74.3 / 74.3 / 75.0 / 74.8 / 75.5 / 76.7 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda - 325 kph
----- / 74.3 / 74.8 / 74.9 / 75.5 / 76.6 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes - 332 kph
----- / 74.4 / 74.8 / 75.0 / 75.2 / 76.8 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda - 327 kph
----- / 74.6 / 75.1 / 75.4 / 76.6 / 77.3 Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari - 332 kph
----- / 74.8 / 75.4 / 75.7 / 76.1 / 77.0 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari - 331 kph
----- / 74.5 / 74.8 / 75.2 / 75.6 / 77.3 Danil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari - 331 kph - 3-spot penalty from Monaco wreck
----- / ----- / 75.5 / 75.7 / 77.0 / 78.6 Jolyon Palmer, Renault 331 kph
----- / ----- / 75.6 / 76.6 / 77.0 / 78.5 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes - 335 kph
----- / ----- / 76.7 / 76.3 / 76.6 / 77.9 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari - 328 kph
----- / ----- / 77.1 / 76.9 / 77.4 / 78.1 Rio Haryanto, Manor / Mercedes 331 kph - crashed during Q1
----- / 82.0 / 74.7 / 74.7 / 75.4 / 76.5 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari - 332 kph - crashed during Q2 - 5-spot penalty for gearbox change
----- / ----- / 75.6 / 76.1 / 76.9 / 78.1 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari - 331 kph - 3-spot penalty from Monaco wreck
----- / ----- / ----- / 76.1 / 76.3 / 78.4 Kevin Magnussen, Renault ----- - crashed in FP3 - 5-spot penalty for gearbox change

The weather forecast calls for cool, breezy and wet weather during today's race.
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:41 am

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The weather forecast calls for cool, breezy and wet weather during today's race.

Which I, some 90 miles south, am currently experiencing.

If one really wants to see the Grand Prix du Montréal, one had best be in Montréal at least a week before the event. Montréal is a damn difficult city for drivers as it is and GP week only triples the mess. Its combination of one-way streets and universal bannage of "right on red" makes getting anywhere a pain.
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:45 am

Captain Ned wrote:
Montréal is a damn difficult city for drivers as it is and GP week only triples the mess. Its combination of one-way streets and universal bannage of "right on red" makes getting anywhere a pain.
They're quite proud to be "North America's most European city."
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:46 pm

Results from Montreal:
1 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 76.0s
2 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari 76.3s
3 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes 76.9s
4 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault) 76.3s
5 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes 75.6s
6 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari 76.9s
7 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) 76.5s
8 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes 76.6s
9 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari 76.6s
10 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes 76.6s
11 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda 77.3s
12 Danil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari 76.9s
13 Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari 77.7s
14 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari 77.3s
15 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari 78.1s
16 Kevin Magnussen, Renault 78.2s
17 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes 78.3s
18 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari 77.9s
19 Rio Haryanto, Manor / Mercedes 78.7s
DNF Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes 77.4s
DNF Jolyon Palmer, Renault 79.9s
DNF Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda 79.5s - "Kablammo"
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:56 pm

Driver's championship standings after nine of twenty-one races:
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... ifications
153 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes
142 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes
96 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari
96 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari
88 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault)
72 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault)
54 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes
39 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes
38 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes
28 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari
22 Danil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari
22 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari
20 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes
18 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda
13 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda
6 Kevin Magnussen, Renault
1 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes
1 Stoffel Vandoorne, McLaren / Honda
0 Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari
0 Jolyon Palmer, Renault
0 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari
0 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari
0 Rio Haryanto, Manor / Mercedes
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Tue Jul 05, 2016 5:00 am

Did Not Finish and Did Not Start results by team so far:
Mercedes: 2
Ferrari: 5
Red Bull / (Renault): 2
Williams / Mercedes: 2
Force India / Mercedes: 4
Toro Rosso / Ferrari: 6
McLaren / Honda: 6
Haas / Ferrari: 3
Renault: 4
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:01 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daUJc70CjhA

Make them all drive this and the "Drivers Championship" will reacquire some needed import.
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:57 pm

Grand Prix of United Kingdom qualifying / practice lap times (Q3/Q2/Q1/FP3/FP2/FP1):
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... ormation-4
89.3 / 89.2 / 90.7 / 90.9 / 91.7 / 91.7 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes - 328 kph
89.6 / 90.0 / 90.7 / 91.0 / ----- / 91.7 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes - 329 kph
90.3 / 90.7 / 91.3 / 91.6 / 92.3 / 93.2 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault) - 322 kph
90.6 / 91.3 / 91.7 / 91.5 / 92.1 / 92.8 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) - 320 kph - First time out-qualified by a team-mate this season
90.9 / 91.4 / 91.3 / 92.8 / 92.7 / 93.0 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari - 328 kph
91.6 / 91.5 / 91.9 / 92.7 / 93.5 / 94.3 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes - 324 kph
92.0 / 91.7 / 92.1 / 92.9 / 93.8 / 93.4 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari - 319 kph
92.3 / 91.8 / 92.3 / 92.8 / 94.3 / 92.5 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes - 323 kph
92.3 / 91.7 / 92.3 / 92.8 / 93.0 / 93.5 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda - 317 kph
----- / 91.9 / 92.3 / 93.4 / 94.4 / 93.2 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes - 323 kph
91.5 / 90.7 / 91.6 / 92.0 / 92.6 / 92.5 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari - 327 kph - 5-spot penalty for gearbox change
----- / 92.0 / 92.1 / 93.4 / 93.8 / 94.5 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes - 323 kph
----- / 92.1 / 92.3 / 93.3 / 93.6 / 94.5 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari - 325 kph
----- / 92.2 / 92.2 / 92.9 / 94.0 / ----- Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari - 324 kph
----- / 92.3 / 92.6 / 93.5 / 94.1 / 93.7 Danil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari - 324 kph
----- / 97.1 / 92.7 / 94.0 / 95.0 / ----- Kevin Magnussen, Renault - 319 kph
----- / ----- / 92.8 / 93.0 / 93.8 / 94.1 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda 315 kph
----- / ----- / 92.9 / 93.8 / 94.6 / 94.8 Jolyon Palmer, Renault - 319 kph
----- / ----- / 93.1 / 94.5 / 95.8 / 96.6 Rio Haryanto, Manor / Mercedes - 327 kph
----- / ----- / 93.2 / 94.7 / 94.5 / 96.1 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes - 328 kph
----- / ----- / 93.5 / 93.7 / 94.1 / 94.8 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari - 323 kph
----- / ----- / ----- / 94.6 / 94.7 / 96.0 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari - ----- - Awaiting medical clearance from crash
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Jul 10, 2016 1:23 pm

Results from Silverstone:
1 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 95.8s
2 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault) 96.4s
3 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes 95.5s - lost a spot due to 10 second penalty for receiving radio instructions for a jammed gearbox
4 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) 96.0s
5 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari 97.0s
6 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes 97.9s
7 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes 97.6s
8 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari 97.4s
9 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari 96.9s - 5 second penalty for forcing Massa off the track did not change the order
10 Danil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari 97.7s
11 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes 96.1s
12 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda 97.9s
13 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda 95.7s
14 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes 97.4s
15 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari 98.7s
16 Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari 97.7s
17 Kevin Magnussen, Renault 97.6s
DNF Jolyon Palmer, Renault 99.8s
DNF Rio Haryanto, Manor / Mercedes 101.4s
DNF Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari 115.5s
DNF Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari 120.3s
DNF Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes 168.8s
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sat Jul 30, 2016 9:03 am

Grand Prix of Germany qualifying / practice lap times (Q3/Q2/Q1/FP3/FP2/FP1):
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... ormation-6
74.4 / 74.8 / 75.5 / 75.7 / 75.6 / 75.5 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes - 339 kph
74.5 / 74.7 / 75.2 / 75.8 / 76.0 / 75.8 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes - 339 kph
74.7 / 75.5 / 75.9 / 75.8 / 76.5 / 77.1 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) - 333 kph
74.8 / 75.1 / 75.9 / 76.2 / 76.5 / 76.9 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault) - 334 kph
75.1 / 75.2 / 75.8 / 75.9 / 76.5 / 76.9 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari - 338 kph
75.3 / 75.6 / 75.9 / 76.1 / 76.2 / 76.7 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari - 337 kph
75.5 / 75.5 / 76.0 / 76.4 / 77.4 / 78.2 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes - 338 kph
75.5 / 75.6 / 76.3 / 77.0 / 76.8 / 78.6 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes - 335 kph - 1-spot penalty for using wrong set of tires in Q1
75.5 / 75.5 / 76.2 / 77.1 / 77.1 / 78.6 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes - 336 kph
75.6 / 75.7 / 76.5 / 76.6 / 77.7 / 78.3 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes - 336 kph
----- / 75.9 / 76.0 / 77.2 / 78.0 / ----- Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari - 334 kph
----- / 75.9 / 76.2 / 78.1 / 77.1 / 77.6 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda - 329 kph
----- / 76.0 / 76.3 / 76.9 / 77.2 / 77.2 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda - 330 kph
----- / 76.7 / 76.6 / 77.5 / 78.3 / ----- Jolyon Palmer, Renault - 336 kph
----- / 76.0 / 76.3 / 77.0 / 77.3 / 78.0 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari - 331 kph - 3-spot penalty for impeding Massa during qualifying
----- / ----- / 76.7 / 77.4 / 78.1 / 78.9 Kevin Magnussen, Renault - 339 kph
----- / ----- / 76.7 / 78.3 / 78.2 / 80.0 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes - 341 kph
----- / ----- / 76.9 / 77.2 / 77.4 / 78.0 Danil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari - 332 kph
----- / ----- / 77.0 / 78.3 / 78.6 / 79.2 Rio Haryanto, Manor / Mercedes - 340 kph
----- / 76.1 / 76.3 / 85.2 / 77.6 / 78.6 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari - 334 kph - 5-spot penalty for gearbox change
----- / ----- / 77.1 / 78.1 / 79.3 / 79.0 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari - 332 kph
----- / ----- / 77.2 / 77.7 / 78.1 / 78.2 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari - 335 kph
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sat Jul 30, 2016 11:27 am

At this point the only thing I want is rain. For every quali and race.

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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:38 am

Results from Hockenheim:
1 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 78.7s
2 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) 78.4s
3 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault) 78.9s
4 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes 79.1s
5 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari 78.7s
6 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari 79.6s
7 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes 80.1s
8 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda 79.8s
9 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes 80.4s
10 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes 79.6s
11 Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari 79.9s
12 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda 80.1s
13 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari 80.3s
14 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari 80.0s
15 Danil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari 79.6s
16 Kevin Magnussen, Renault 81.6s
17 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes 80.7s
18 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari 81.2s
19 Jolyon Palmer, Renault 81.1s
20 Rio Haryanto, Manor / Mercedes, 81.8s
DNF Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari 81.4s
DNF Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes 81.5s
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:47 am

Driver's championship standings after twelve of twenty-one races:
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... ifications
217 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 6 wins
198 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, 5 wins
133 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault), 3 podiums
122 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 4 podiums
120 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari, 5 podiums
115 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault), 1 win
58 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes, 1 podium
48 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes, 2 podiums
38 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes, best finish: 5th (twice)
33 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes, best finish: 6th
30 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari, best finish: 6th
28 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari, best finish: 5th
24 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda, best finish: 5th
23 Danil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari, 1 podium
17 Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda, best finish: 6th
6 Kevin Magnussen, Renault, best finish: 7th
1 Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes, best finish: 10th
1 Stoffel Vandoorne, McLaren / Honda, only finish: 10th
0 Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari, best finish: 11th (four times)
0 Jolyon Palmer, Renault, best finish: 11th
0 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari, best finish: 12th (twice)
0 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari, best finish: 12th
0 Rio Haryanto, Manor / Mercedes, best finish: 15th
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:00 pm

Constructor's championship standings after twelve of twenty-one races:
415 Mercedes, 11 wins, 16 podiums, 2 DNFs
256 Red Bull / (Renault), 1 win, 8 podiums, 2 DNFs
242 Ferrari, 9 podiums, 5 DNFs
96 Williams / Mercedes, 1 podium, 3 DNFs
81 Force India / Mercedes, 2 podiums, 4 DNFs
45 Toro Rosso / Ferrari, 6 DNFs
42 McLaren / Honda, 7 DNFs
28 Haas / Ferrari, 4 DNFs
6 Renault, 6 DNFs
1 Manor / Mercedes, 5 DNFs
0 Sauber / Ferrari, 5 DNFs
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:26 pm

again Rosberg doesn't turn in, what got into his head that he though he could repeat this trick?
 
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:41 pm

Firestarter wrote:
again Rosberg doesn't turn in, what got into his head that he though he could repeat this trick?


Rosberg is the smart "cerebral" driver. Haven't you heard? :wink:
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:16 pm

Grand Prix of Belgium qualifying / practice lap times (Q3/Q2/Q1/FP3/FP2/FP1):
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... ormation-9
106.7 / 107.0 / 108.0 / 108.7 / 109.2 / 108.3  Nico Rosberg, Mercedes - 320 kph
106.9 / 107.2 / 108.4 / ------- / 108.1 / 109.9  Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault) - 315 kph
106.9 / 107.6 / 107.9 / 108.0 / 109.2 / 109.1  Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari - 317 kph
107.1 / 107.9 / 107.8 / 108.3 / 109.0 / 109.8  Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari - 318 kph
107.2 / 108.0 / 108.4 / 108.2 / 108.3 / 109.8  Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) - 316 kph
107.4 / 107.5 / 108.1 / 108.9 / 109.1 / 109.3  Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes - 316 kph
107.5 / 107.3 / 108.1 / 108.7 / 108.7 / 110.1  Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes - 317 kph
107.6 / 107.9 / 108.7 / 108.5 / 110.2 / 110.4  Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes - 318 kph
108.1 / 108.1 / 108.7 / 109.7 / 109.4 / 112.4  Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda - 310 kph
108.3 / 107.7 / 107.7 / 108.8 / 110.2 / 111.1  Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes - 318 kph
------- / 108.3 / 108.8 / 109.3 / 109.4 / 110.9  Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari - 312 kph
------- / 108.5 / 108.8 / 109.7 / 110.4 / 113.1  Kevin Magnussen, Renault - 313 kph
------- / 108.9 / 108.9 / 110.2 / 110.6 / 113.1  Jolyon Palmer, Renault - 312 kph
------- / 109.0 / 108.9 / 110.1 / 110.2 / 111.4  Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari - 312 kph
------- / 109.3 / 108.6 / 109.8 / 109.7 / 112.8  Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes - 316 kph
------- / ------- / 108.9 / 110.4 / 110.7 / 111.8  Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari - 315 kph
------- / ------- / 109.1 / 110.7 / 110.7 / 111.8  Esteban Ocon, Manor / Mercedes - 318 kph
------- / 108.6 / 108.7 / 109.6 / 109.6 / 110.6  Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari - 314 kph - 5 place penalty for impeding Wehrlein in FP3
------- / ------- / 109.1 / 110.0 / 109.9 / 112.3  Danil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari - 314 kph
------- / ------- / 109.1 / 111.3 / 110.1 / 111.1  Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari - 314 kph - 10 place penalty for using 6th turbo charger
------- / ------- / 110.0 / 108.6 / 109.8 / 109.1  Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes - 316 kph - 55 place penalties for 6th internal combustion engine and MGU-K and 6th, 7th & 8th turbo charger and MGU-H
------- / ------- / ------- / 109.5 / 109.8 / ------  Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda - 195 kph - 60 place penalties for 6th energy store and control electronics and 6th & 7th internal combustion engine, turbo charger, MGU-H and MGU-K
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:21 pm

Go Kimi!
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:10 pm

lol @ the massive penalties.
 
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:47 pm

In the pre quail show Brundle suggested that teams should be stripped of points instead of drivers going to the back of the grid. I agree. Why should drivers bear any penalties for mechanical failures?
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:17 pm

That would be terrible for the smaller teams though, and a slap on the wrist for Mercedes.

Given a choice between losing their hard-earned 6 points, a team like Renault would probably opt to retire for the rest of the season rather than serve that penalty.
 
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:33 pm

The thing is, Mercedes did use their wealth to take advantage of the rules.  They swapped engines in Hamilton's W07 three times this weekend to pile up the penalties at one time so that they would have some spare engine components available to use during the remainder of the season without penalty.  Someone like Sauber or Manor probably doesn't have tens of millions of dollars worth of engines available to use for this sort of contingency.
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:21 pm

I actually preferred the rule that converted unused grid penalties into a race penalty, and wish they hadn't done away with it.

Either that, or they should "tag" grid drops to the components in question. So if Hamilton has taken on 10 new components this weekend, each of them get tagged with 5 grid drops, for a total of 50 (yes, I'm ignoring the 10 place grid drop on the first component for simplicity). Now, since he's only going to use 5 of those components, this weekend his maximum logical grid drop will be 25 positions. There again, since he can't drop more than 21 places, the unused 4 or more grid drops are "remembered" against specific components. Then, every subsequent race where those components are used, the grid drops are applied until all grid drops are used up. If a component's grid drop isn't used, it is "remembered" against that component for the next race.

There are a few loose ends that need tying up (defining an order of components, doing away with the 'first component gets 10 grid places drop' rule, what about end of the season) but otherwise I see this as a reasonably workable approach. Its no more complex than the other complex rules we have in other parts of F1.

EDIT: I just read that Alonso gets a new PU, thus taking his penalty total to 60 grid places, beating Hamilton with 55. So, net result is that he's dropped just 1 grid slot for an entirely new PU. It just goes to show - once again - how this system favours the richer teams.
 
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:45 pm

I disagree with extending penalties into the next race though. Even without intending any trickery an engine might blow up during the race itself, not being able to finish the race is enough of a penalty without taking an extra 20 place grid penalty on the next one.

My idea is if a driver has more grid penalties than there are cars behind him, delay his start by x number of seconds. Lewis's 55 place drop can be served by him dropping 20 places back, and then starting 35 seconds after the rest of the pack. It'll be a massive amount of time to make up and IMO represents the remainder of his penalty well enough.
 
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:50 pm

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I disagree with extending penalties into the next race though. Even without intending any trickery an engine might blow up during the race itself, not being able to finish the race is enough of a penalty without taking an extra 20 place grid penalty on the next one.

My idea is if a driver has more grid penalties than there are cars behind him, delay his start by x number of seconds. Lewis's 55 place drop can be served by him dropping 20 places back, and then starting 35 seconds after the rest of the pack. It'll be a massive amount of time to make up and IMO represents the remainder of his penalty well enough.

Your idea was how it was implemented last year, but I don't remember why it was scrapped. I'd be happy with even that implementation, rather than what we have today.

The reason I prefer extending penalties into subsequent races is this - to ensure that the benefit of a new PU across multiple races is offset by penalties. Here's a hypothetical example - consider a team like Red Bull last year. They might opt to take significant penalties on a power circuit (e.g. Monza) and be hit with penalties limited to that race - and if those penalties are significant enough they may just choose to complete the race at a lower power setting to save the new engine (or even retire on some pretext); but then carry forward an advantage of a new engine to a track that benefits them - say Singapore. It probably comes down to whether teams might be willing to write off one race to get a benefit for a subsequent one.
 
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:08 am

While that was a nice race, particularly with Hamilton and Alonso able to make their way forward very impressively, I came away disappointed.

If only we'd had a nice and open fight - with Nico, Verstappen, Räikkönen, Vettel and Ricciardo all slugging it out on such a beautiful track, it would have been great. Even if Nico had run away, we could have had fun with the other four. Instead, Vettel mucks things up for three of them and we were left with a case of "what might have been". I am a Vettel fan, but his driving this year hasn't been as hot as previously (letting aside team error and mechanical failures). Coming to another driver I like, Verstappen's defence might be legal, but it left me with a bad taste in my mouth. In contrast, Perez's overtake of Massa showed how racing can be aggressive yet respectful.

Hamilton must be celebrating - between his podium and the fact that he has 3 new power units, this has been a near-perfect weekend for him.
 
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Re: Formula 1 2016

Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:27 am

Results from Spa-Francorchamps:
1 Nico Rosberg, Mercedes 111.7s, 318 kph
2 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) 112.5s, 316 kph
3 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes 111.6s, 322 kph
4 Nico Hulkenberg, Force India / Mercedes 113.5s, 317 kph
5 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes 113.4s, 319 kph
6 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari 112.7s, 321 kph
7 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda 114.5s, 312 kph
8 Valtteri Bottas, Williams / Mercedes 114.1s, 313 kph
9 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari 113.5s, 317 kph
10 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes 114.3s, 314 kph
11 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault) 113.3s, 320 kph
12 Esteban Gutiérrez, Haas / Ferrari 114.3s, 314 kph
13 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari 113.8s, 318 kph
14 Danil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Ferrari 112.1s, 316 kph
15 Jolyon Palmer, Renault 113.3s, 307 kph
16 Esteban Ocon, Manor / Mercedes, 115.7s, 309 kph
17 Felipe Nasr, Sauber / Ferrari 116.2s, 299 kph
DNF Kevin Magnussen, Renault 116.6s, 299 kph
DNF Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari 135.3s, 289 kph
DNF Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Ferrari, 301 kph
DNF Jenson Button, McLaren / Honda, 276 kph
DNF Pascal Wehrlein, Manor / Mercedes, 262 kph
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