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Formula One 2017

Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:14 pm

3/26 - Australian Grand Prix
4/9 - Chinese Grand Prix
4/16 - Bahrain Grand Prix
4/30 - Russian Grand Prix
5/14 - Spanish Grand Prix
5/28 - Monaco Grand Prix
6/11 - Canadian Grand Prix
6/25 - Azerbaijan Grand Prix
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7/16 - British Grand Prix
7/30 - Hungarian Grand Prix
8/27 - Belgian Grand Prix
9/3 - Italian Grand Prix
9/17 - Singapore Grand Prix
10/1 - Malaysian Grand Prix
10/8 - Japanese Grand Prix
10/22 - United States Grand Prix
10/29 - Mexican Grand Prix
11/12 - Brazilian Grand Prix
11/26 - Abu Dhabi Grand Prix
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Re: Formula One 2017

Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:16 pm

2017 Drivers
Mercedes:  Lewis Hamilton & Valtteri Bottas (from Williams)
Red Bull (Renault):  Daniel Ricciardo & Max Verstappen
Ferrari:  Sebastian Vettel & Kimi Raikkonen
Force India (Mercedes):  Sergio Perez & Esteban Ocon (from Manor)
Williams (Mercedes):  Felipe Massa (un-retired) & Lance Stroll (from Formula 3)
McLaren (Honda):  Fernando Alonso & Stoffel Vandoorne (from GP2)
Toro Rosso (Renault):  Carlos Sainz Jr. & Daniil Kvyat
Haas (Ferrari):  Romain Grojean & Kevin Magnussen (from Renault)
Renault:  Nico Hulkenberg (from Force India) & Jolyon Palmer
Sauber (Ferrari):  Marcus Ericcson & Pascal Wehrlein (from Manor)
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Re: Formula One 2017

Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:05 pm

Manor is no more:
http://motorsports.nbcsports.com/2017/0 ... yer-fails/

Unfortunately, the current financial contracts that favor the huge teams and squash the small innovators will remain in place through 2020.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... mall-teams
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Re: Formula One 2017

Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:27 pm

But at least the Poison Dwarf is gone and Ross Brawn is in charge of the motorsports side of things.
 
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Re: Formula One 2017

Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:33 pm

Oh how I hope that Bottas in the best car will just show heels to Lewis.
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Re: Formula One 2017

Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:42 pm

https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2017/03/ ... der-tyres/
To no-one's surprise, the new Mercedes is the quickest car.
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Re: Formula One 2017

Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:55 pm

Yeah, but McLaren has real Can-Am McLaren orange on the car.

I'd like to think that the M8F would be quicker (sad); I know it would be louder.
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Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:20 am

The McLaren might be a nice colour, but the Honda in the back was still giving troubles over the testing. They were on their 3rd engine by the 2nd day of testing while the Mercedes just kept pounding around the circuit.
 
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Re: Formula One 2017

Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:28 am

So far it's looking like Ferrari are pretty competitive.

Of course, this time last year it looked like they were ahead, and we all know how that turned out....
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Re: Formula One 2017

Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:51 pm

Ferrari always seem to go for the headline times in winter testing while others are holding their cards closer to their chest.

Stroll bent the Williams a little too frequently. Red Bull seem to be missing a lot af aero tweaks - they may turn up at the next test or even at the first race with a lot more bolted on the car.
 
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Re: Formula One 2017

Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:42 am

The new owners of F1 want to broaden paddock access. The privileged elites are not happy.

http://autoweek.com/article/formula-one ... -its-races?
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Re: Formula One 2017

Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:17 am

I was listening to John Watson last night during FP 2 via the official F1 broadcast. He was discussing the difference in aero between LMP1 and F1. LMP1 cars have no problems when following other cars as their aero is not disrupted when in close quarters with other cars. F1 cars rely too heavily on the front wing for their aero and, as front wing aero is trashed when following another car, there is an issue with close quarter racing. F1 should focus on under body aero with just a basic wing element at the front if there is to be any hope of improving wheel to wheel racing. One can look at the front wing spec of an Indy car configured for the Indianapolos 500 as a possible example.

The Brabham BT49 ran without a front wing:

http://www.grandprixlegends.com/Images/ ... 4790_1.jpg

Perhaps Gordon Murray should, after he is done designing the new TVR, come back to F1 with a revised Brabham BT46B.
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Re: Formula One 2017

Fri Mar 24, 2017 12:14 pm

If the F1 "Drivers Championship" means anything, actually make it about the drivers. Put the entire field out there in a Lotus 49 and let the best driver win.

I use the Lotus 49 not only because it's friggin' beautiful but because a former F1 driver, Martin Brundle, tested it as part of a recap of F1 through the decades and said that the engine was a decade ahead of the chassis, suspension, and tyres. IOW, it was all about the driver.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daUJc70CjhA
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Fri Mar 24, 2017 12:22 pm

If the Formula One World Constructors' Championship means anything then let's actually make it about the cars. Every car should run with the same bot spec.
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Re: Formula One 2017

Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:42 pm

End User wrote:
If the Formula One World Constructors' Championship means anything then let's actually make it about the cars. Every car should run with the same bot spec.

Yo do know that between 1950 and 1960, the Indy 500 was a points-paying race for F1 purposes.
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Re: Formula One 2017

Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:20 am

Australian Grand Prix qualifying and practice lap times (Q3/Q2/Q1/P3/P2/P1):
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... rmation-19

82.2 / 83.3 / 84.2 / 83.9 / 83.6 / 84.2 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes - 326 kph
82.5 / 83.4 / 85.2 / 83.4 / 84.2 / 85.5 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari - 322 kph
82.5 / 83.2 / 84.5 / 83.9 / 84.2 / 84.8 Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes - 321 kph
83.0 / 83.4 / 84.4/ 84.0 / 84.5 / 85.4 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari - 323 kph
83.5 / 84.1 / 84.4 / 86.3 / 85.0 / 85.2 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault) - 322 kph
84.1 / 84.4 / 85.4 / 85.6 / 85.4 / 86.2 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari - 322 kph :)
84.4 / 84.6 / 85.1 / 86.2 / 86.3 / 86.1 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes - 324 kph
84.5 / 85.0 / 85.5 / 85.9 / 85.1 / 86.5 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Renault - 322 kph
84.5 / 84.7 / 86.0 / 86.0 / 85.5 / 86.5 Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Renault - 322 kph
----- / 85.1 / 85.1 / 86.5 / 85.6 / 86.3 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes - 328 kph
----- / 85.1 / 85.0 / 85.1 / 85.5 / 86.2 Nico Hulkenberg, Renault - 326 kph
----- / 85.4 / 85.9 / 86.6 / 86.0 / 87.1 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda - 317 kph
----- / 85.6 / 86.0 / 87.1 / 86.1 / 87.7 Esteban Ocon, Force India / Mercedes - 324 kph
----- / 86.5 / 86.2 / 87.4 / 86.5 / 87.3 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari - 317 kph
DNF / 84.0 / 85.4 / 85.1 / 84.7 / 84.9 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) - 318 kph - 5-spot penalty for new gearbox
----- / ----- / 86.4 / 88.6 / ----- / ----- Antonio Giovinazzi, Sauber / Ferrari - 316 kph :)
----- / ----- / 86.8 / 86.1 / 87.3 / 87.7 Kevin Magnussen, Haas / Ferrari - 321 kph
----- / ----- / 86.9 / 86.7 / 86.6 / 88.7 Stoffel Vandoorne, McLaren / Honda - 314 kph
----- / ----- / 87.1 / 87.3 / 86.5 / 86.7 Lance Stroll, Williams / Mercedes - 329 kph
----- / ----- / 88.2 / 88.3 / 87.5 / 88.6 Jolyon Palmer, Renault - 325 kph
Wider tires and more aerodynamic downforce knocked 1½ seconds off of last year's times.
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Re: Formula One 2017

Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:47 am

Results from Melbourne:
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... ication-19
1 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari 86.6s, 315 kph
2 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes 87.0s, 318 kph
3 Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes 86.6s, 316 kph
4 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari 86.5s, 304 kph
5 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault) 87.0s, 315 kph
6 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes 86.8s, 303 kph
7 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes 88.3s, 309 kph
8 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Renault 87.7s, 312 kph
9 Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Renault 86.7s, 321 kph
10 Esteban Ocon, Force India / Mercedes 88.5s, 318 kph - first point of his F1 career
11 Nico Hulkenberg, Renault 88.5s, 318 kph
12 Antonio Giovinazzi, Sauber / Ferrari 89.1s, 299 kph
13 Stoffel Vandoorne, McLaren / Honda 89.4s, 307 kph
DNF Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda 90.1s, 291 kph
DNF Kevin Magnussen, Haas / Ferrari 87.6s, 316 kph
DNF Lance Stroll, Williams / Mercedes 89.4s, 320 kph
DNF Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) 89.4s, 304 kph
DNF Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari 92.1s, 291 kph
DNF Jolyon Palmer, Renault 92.2s, 295 kph
DNF Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari 90.2s, 295 kph
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Re: Formula One 2017

Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:58 am

Constructors standings after one race:
37 Ferrari
33 Mercedes
10 Red Bull / (Renault)
8 Williams / Mercedes
7 Force India / Mercedes
6 Toro Rosso / Renault
0 Renault
0 Sauber / Ferrari
0 McLaren / Honda
0 Haas / Ferrari

This is the first time in the current era of hybrid power (starting in the 2014 season) that anyone other than a Mercedes driver has led the drivers standings.
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Re: Formula One 2017

Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:59 am

I really liked how Bottas improved through the weekend and was catching Hamilton on genuine pace at points in the race. There are a lot of people who didn't rate him as Rosberg's replacement but he seems to have slotted in perfectly.

I also like the way we appear to have 2 constructors capable of winning for now, will have to see how things go during the season. Kimi needs to sort things out otherwise we could have Vettel winning the drivers championship and Mercedes winning the Constructors.
 
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Re: Formula One 2017

Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:05 am

I'm really glad I watch MotoGP in addition to F1.

What a snoozer. As everyone has predicted on track battles and overtaking are pretty much non-existent. I guess it's good that 2 teams can win now instead of 1, but it's sad that 99% of the "race" doesn't matter. All that matters is qualifying, the start, and the single pitstop. It's not like F1 was great the last few years either, but when you already have a **** sandwich, pissing on it isn't going to improve it.

I am more watching F1 out of habit at this point than because it's actually any good, or for those rare good races (almost only happens if it rains now)
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Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:25 am

Australia is always a low number of overtakes. We need to wait until we get some better tracks before declaring the new rules have broken overtaking.
 
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Re: Formula One 2017

Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:33 am

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Australia is always a low number of overtakes. We need to wait until we get some better tracks before declaring the new rules have broken overtaking.


Overtaking was already broken, or they wouldn't have had to introduce the DRS gimmick. When overtaking is impossible even WITH that gimmick, something is really really wrong. There doesn't even need to be a large number of overtakes, just the POSSIBILITY of them happening. That early phase of the race would have been really tense if anyone thought there was actually a chance of Vettel passing Hamilton, but instead we were all just waiting for the pitstop. When Verstappen was catching Raikkonen that should have been interesting, but we knew even if he caught up there was zero chance of overtaking.

I'll give it some more races since I realize Melbourne isn't the best track for overtaking. I am just annoyed that instead of fixing the fundamental problem (overly complicated/sensitive front wings and aero) they introduce endless gimmicks and now have possibly managed to make the problem even worse.

MotoGP by comparison the first race had multiple leaders from multiple teams, at one point there were 5 different teams in the top 6, etc. They can follow literally inches behind the bike in front. I know F1 can never be like that, but decades ago it at least fell into a great middle-ground where overtaking was difficult but POSSIBLE.
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Re: Formula One 2017

Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:56 am

There were just five passes in the whole race:
https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2017/03/ ... rand-prix/
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Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:53 am

I think you meant to link to the previous article:
https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2017/03/ ... he-racing/

I agree with the premise in that article, we needed tyres that were robust enough that pushing hard didn't kill them after a lap. However in delivering that we also got tyres that are very durable and have reduced the races to a single stop. The multiple stops and different tyre strategies gave cars with large speed differentials and fun racing last year.

I am glad that Bernie has gone and we now have Ross Brawn in charge of the racing side of things. Bernie wasn't technical so would say silly things like "We need the cars louder". If you look at any pre-race footage where TV pundits are trying to talk to camera in the pitlane while the teams are firing up engines, it is plenty loud enough! What we actually need is more of a screaming howl which comes from high rpms rather than the current low growl. We don't get this howl because the instantaneous fuel flow limit is so low that the teams have to keep the revs low, they change before 12k when the limit is 15k, as the higher revs use more fuel.

Ross already said in interviews before the start of the season that he isn't going to be rushed in to knee jerk reactions. He is a very clever cookie, lets give him some time to sort things out. We may have to live with not too many overtakes this season, but I'd rather do that and get a proper solution for next season than rush to knee jerk reactions and end up with things like that stupid qualifying format we had at the start of last year!
 
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Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:28 pm

I didn't put much value in that opinion piece, though I had read it. I linked to the article that showed the relative position charts by lap, which illustrated interesting data on the team's paces.
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Re: Formula One 2017

Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:12 am

Is this the F1 equivalent of "Hard Knocks"?
https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2017/03/ ... tv-series/
https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2017/03/ ... ll-series/
The stress and frustration inside the McLaren team over the poor performance of their race cars must be far more intense than what we see from the outside.

In a separate announcement, Amazon has also ordered a series on LeMans.
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:47 am

These are the cars I remember from when F1 first entered my brain, circa 1977 or so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWnnWpq4A6o
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Sun Apr 02, 2017 3:38 am

I hope Max will be the next champion.
 
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Re: Formula One 2017

Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:59 am

Unlikely with the way the Red Bull's are running this year, unless they take a big step with aero at some point.

The Red Bull's had been expected to be fast with the change in aero as historically they've done well at change of aero regs. They seem to have missed something or the banning of the trick suspensions has hit them harder than the rest with the amount of rake that they usually run. I know Christian Horner kind of denied it in an interview, but as a team boss he isn't going to give away info to his competition.
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