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Re: Formula One 2017

Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:03 pm

The disadvantage they have is about the same as with the start of previous season. They will adapt and catch up and Max is one of the better racers.
And I said "hope" ;-)
Another "hope" I've got is that the rest of the season won't be as boring as the first race.
 
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Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:07 pm

If we could get more rain, we might see the more talented and brave drivers in slower cars pass the lesser drivers in superior cars.
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Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:37 pm

Agreed.
I always hoped for a rainy day when drivers I admired were in a lesser car.
There is a rain forecast for the race in China next Sunday.
 
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Re: Formula One 2017

Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:20 pm

F1 has been a procession for a while now, but what's got me excited about this season is the cars are finally as fast, if not faster than the old 2004 cars.

Melbourne this year was several seconds faster than the past 2 years, and a teensy bit faster than 2004. Hamilton also managed to beat Schumi's old 2004 pole time, and the in-race fastest lap set by Raikkonen came pretty close to Schumi's 2004 FL.
 
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Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:09 pm

I don't really care how fast they are if the racing is going to be so bloody boring (and with all that front wing aero, there's no hope).

There's two ways to fix this. First is a completely open formula much like the late 1960's rock 'n' roll show called Can-Am. The second is to put them all in new-build original-spec Lotus 49s and truly make it the World Driver's Championship.
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Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:19 pm

Just saw the whole training.
Looks like we gonna find out tomorrow whether it is possible to overtake with Max starting from the back .
 
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Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:14 pm

Chinese Grand Prix qualifying and practice lap times (Q3/Q2/Q1/P3):
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... rmation-27
91.7 / 92.4 / 93.3 / 93.9 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes - 328 kph
91.9 / 92.4 / 93.1 / 93.3 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari - 325 kph
91.9 / 92.6 / 93.7 / 93.7 Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes - 329 kph
92.1 / 92.2 / 93.3 / 93.4 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari - 324 kph
93.0 / 92.5 / 94.0 / 95.1 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) - 322 kph
93.5 / 93.8 / 94.2 / 94.8 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes - 328 kph
93.6 / 93.6 / 94.5 / 95.4 Nico Hulkenberg, Renault - 322 kph
93.7 / 93.9 / 94.7 / 95.6 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes - 326 kph
93.7 / 94.0 / 94.4 / 95.8 Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Renault - 321 kph
94.2 / 94.1 / 94.0 / 95.2 Lance Stroll, Williams / Mercedes - 326 kph :)
----- / 94.2 / 94.6 / 95.2 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Renault - 321 kph
----- / 94.2 / 94.9 / 95.5 Kevin Magnussen, Haas / Ferrari - 330 kph
----- / 94.4 / 94.5 / 95.9 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda - 315 kph
----- / 95.0 / 94.9 / 96.1 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari - 319 kph
----- / DNF / 95.0 / 96.7 Antonio Giovinazzi, Sauber / Ferrari - 321 kph :(
----- / ----- / 95.0 / 96.2 Stoffel Vandoorne, McLaren / Honda - 316 kph
----- / ----- / 95.4 / 94.9 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault) - 314 kph :-?
----- / ----- / 95.5 / 95.8 Esteban Ocon, Force India / Mercedes - 325 kph
----- / ----- / 95.2 / 95.7 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari - 325 kph - 5-spot penalty for not slowing after Giovinazzi's crash
----- / ----- / 95.3 / 95.2 Jolyon Palmer, Renault - 323 kph - 5-spot penalty for not slowing after Giovinazzi's crash
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Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:24 am

Seems like Team RedBull just can't get a break this year. :(
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Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:04 am

great race! it seems like the supersofts only have a short window in which they're actually better than the softs
 
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Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:30 am

Results from Shanghai:
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... ication-27
1 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes 95.4s, 316 kph
2 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari 95.4s, 335 kph
3 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault) 96.7s, 330 kph
4 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) 96.8s, 330 kph
5 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari 96.0s, 333 kph
6 Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes 95.8s, 336 kph
7 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Renault 97.4s, 325 kph
8 Kevin Magnussen, Haas / Ferrari 97.5s, 332 kph
9 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes 96.5s, 328 kph
10 Esteban Ocon, Force India / Mercedes 97.0s, 333 kph
11 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari 97.6s, 333 kph
12 Nico Hulkenberg, Renault 98.0s, 328 kph
13 Jolyon Palmer, Renault 98.2s, 328 kph
14 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes 96.5s, 336 kph
15 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari 99.7s, 320 kph
DNF Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda 99.5s, 309 kph
DNF Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Renault 100.1s, 324 kph
DNF Stoffel Vandoorne, McLaren / Honda 101.5s, 318 kph
DNF Antonio Giovinazzi, Sauber / Ferrari 302 kph
DNF Lance Stroll, Williams / Mercedes
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Re: Formula One 2017

Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:46 am

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I don't really care how fast they are if the racing is going to be so bloody boring (and with all that front wing aero, there's no hope).

There's two ways to fix this. First is a completely open formula much like the late 1960's rock 'n' roll show called Can-Am. The second is to put them all in new-build original-spec Lotus 49s and truly make it the World Driver's Championship.

Well Vettel certainly showed us some overtaking today!
 
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Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:45 am

Constructors' standings after two races:
66 Mercedes : 1 win, 3 podiums
65 Ferrari : 1 win, 2 podiums
37 Red Bull / Renault : 1 podium, 1 DNF
12 Toro Rosso / Renault : highest 7th, 1 DNF
10 Force India / Mercedes : highest 7th
8 Williams / Mercedes : highest 6th, 2 DNF
4 Haas / Ferrari : highest 8th, 2 DNF
0 Renault : highest 11th, 1 DNF
0 Sauber / Ferrari : highest 12th, 2 DNF
0 McLaren / Honda : highest 13th, 3 DNF
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Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:34 am

Max's first lap was crazy, 9 overtakes :o
 
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Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:38 pm

Alonso is going to compete in the Indy 500 in an orange McLaren, that might make Ned happy.
 
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Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:11 pm

I know I'm excited for Alonzo to compete with a competitive Honda engine behind him. I thought I'd miss watching Formula 1 since I dropped my cable subscription, but sadly, I don't miss it that much. Watching McLaren being uncompetitive the last few years has taken the wind out of my sails.
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Re: Formula One 2017

Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:06 pm

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Alonso is going to compete in the Indy 500 in an orange McLaren, that might make Ned happy.

I'd be happier if it were an M8F or an M20. 509 CI of big-block Chevy, short intake trumpets, and virtually no exhaust runners. Truly Susan Ivanova's "Death Incarnate". Hey, that'd be a great name for a racing team with one tongue shoved firmly in cheek.

I like what Alonso is doing here. He's said several times before that he wants to chase Graham Hill's Triple Crown (Indy, Monaco, and Le Mans; and he's got Monaco checked off), and running at the back of the pack in a pathetic F1 car must be humiliating.

I've posted on several Can-Am vids on YouTube. The basic concept is this: "Can-Am. A brief shining moment when absurdity in the pursuit of victory was a common virtue and achieving victory required psychosis. We shall never see its like again, but bloody hell was it great fun while it lasted." Brock Yates went to his grave furiously advocating for and trying to find a way to bring it back (and not just in "historic racing"). As a child of the Apollo era, the sheer excess of these cars just works for me. Just like Saturn boosters, there was no deficiency that couldn't be cured by bigger engines and more power.
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Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:13 pm

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Max's first lap was crazy, 9 overtakes :o


He had a great race again, made me proud. :D
 
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Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:45 pm

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I like what Alonso is doing here. He's said several times before that he wants to chase Graham Hill's Triple Crown (Indy, Monaco, and Le Mans; and he's got Monaco checked off), and running at the back of the pack in a pathetic F1 car must be humiliating.


It is a shame that such a great driver doesn't get a competitive car. Mercedes should have let him drive instead of Bottas, but Hamilton probably has a clause in his contract preventing that.
I hope Alonso has a good drive in Indianapolis.
 
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I hope Alonso has a good drive in Indianapolis.

So do I. It might put Indy back on the F1 calendar.

For those who may not know, between 1950 and 1960 the Indy 500 was a points-paying race for the World Driver's Championship.
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Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:20 pm

Amazing how Hamilton controlled the Chinese race with 5 percent less top speed. (Y)
 
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Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:25 pm

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Amazing how Hamilton controlled the Chinese race with 5 percent less top speed. (Y)


You can gain a lot of time in the corners with a bit more downforce, and a setup with more drag/downforce is generally better in the wet (plus Hamilton has been great in most wet races). There is definitely a point where too little straight line speed becomes a problem (see Mclaren-Honda), but car setup is always a balance of downforce/drag vs straight line speed. There were a lot of races over the last few years where Mercedes were way down the speed trap times, but dominating the lap times.

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I like what Alonso is doing here. He's said several times before that he wants to chase Graham Hill's Triple Crown (Indy, Monaco, and Le Mans; and he's got Monaco checked off), and running at the back of the pack in a pathetic F1 car must be humiliating.


It is a shame that such a great driver doesn't get a competitive car. Mercedes should have let him drive instead of Bottas, but Hamilton probably has a clause in his contract preventing that.
I hope Alonso has a good drive in Indianapolis.


Whether Hamilton has such a clause or not, I doubt Mercedes wanted an Alonso + Hamilton pairing after what happened the last time. It created massive drama at Mclaren and may have cost them the WDC with them consistently taking points off of each other. There was already a bit of drama even with Rosberg and Alonso would intensify that tenfold. As a fan of course I'd love to see it, and it's sad to see such a brilliant driver like Alonso stuck in a bad car. Alonso may be the best driver of this generation, or at worst equal-best.

I totally understand why neither Mercedes or Ferrari would ever want to pair him with Hamilton or Vettel though.
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Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:07 pm

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I totally understand why neither Mercedes or Ferrari would ever want to pair him with Hamilton or Vettel though.

When you have 2 driver slots and a 1.5x diva driver, the math gets easy.

I'll say it again just so everyone knows. I loathe Hamilton even more that I loathed Alain Prost when Nigel Mansell was still in F1, Williams were the top team, and a bunch of us local F1 drunks would congregate at a certain Burlington VT bar early Sunday mornings to watch the races (back when they were 90% in Europe).
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Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:52 am

Bahrain Grand Prix qualifying and practice lap times (Q3/Q2/Q1/P3/P2/P1):
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... rmation-20

88.8 / 89.6 / 91.0 / 92.8 / 91.4 / 95.0 Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes - 329 kph
88.8 / 89.5 / 90.8 / 92.3 / 91.6 / 94.6 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes - 316 kph
89.2 / 89.6 / 91.0 / 92.8 / 91.3 / 92.7 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari - 329 kph
89.5 / 90.5 / 91.7 / 92.8 / 91.4 / 93.1 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) - 323 kph
89.6 / 89.8 / 91.0 / 92.8 / 91.5 /102. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari - 331 kph
89.7 / 90.3 / 90.9 / 92.2 / 92.2 / 93.6 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault) - 325 kph
89.8 / 90.2 / 91.1 / 92.9 / 91.9 / 94.9 Nico Hulkenberg, Renault - 330 kph
84.4 / 84.6 / 85.1 / 92.8 / 92.1 / 94.2 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes - 330 kph
90.1 / 90.9 / 91.7 / 94.2 / 92.5 / 94.6 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari - 326 kph
91.1 / 90.9 / 91.5 / 94.4 / 92.9 / 95.1 Jolyon Palmer, Renault - 322 kph
----- / 90.9 / 91.5 / 93.7 / 92.7 / 94.8 Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Renault - 322 kph
----- / 91.2 / 91.7 / 94.0 / 93.4 / 94.3 Lance Stroll, Williams / Mercedes - 333 kph
----- / 91.4 / 92.0 / 94.0 / 94.1 / 96.0 Pascal Wehrlein, Sauber / Ferrari - 329 kph
----- / 91.7 / 91.8 / 94.1 / 92.9 / 94.3 Esteban Ocon, Force India / Mercedes - 328 kph
----- / DNF / 92.1 / 93.9 / 92.9 / 94.4 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda - 322 kph
----- / ----- / 92.1 / 93.6 / 94.1 / 96.1 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Renault - 324 kph
----- / ----- / 92.3 / 94.0 / 94.2 / 95.0 Stoffel Vandoorne, McLaren / Honda - 319 kph
----- / ----- / 92.3 / 93.9 / 93.3 / 94.1 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes - 330 kph
----- / ----- / 92.5 / 94.3 / 86.5 / 95.9 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari - 325 kph
----- / ----- / 92.9 / 94.2 / 87.3 / 95.6 Kevin Magnussen, Haas / Ferrari - 329 kph


Results from Bahrain:
1 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari 93.8s, 296 kph
2 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes 92.8s, 299 kph
3 Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes 94.1s, 297 kph
4 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari 93.7s, 291 kph
5 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / (Renault) 93.5s, 290 kph
6 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes 94.3s, 288 kph
7 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes 94.6s, 289 kph
8 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari 94.9s, 291 kph
9 Nico Hulkenberg, Renault 95.4s, 295 kph
10 Esteban Ocon, Force India / Mercedes 95.2s, 292 kph
11 Pascal Wehrlein Sauber / Ferrari 96.8s, 291 kph
12 Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Renault 95.0s, 291 kph
13 Jolyon Palmer, Renault 95.6s, 295 kph
DNF Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda 95.6s, 286 kph
DNF Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari 95.1s, 293 kph
DNF Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Renault 98.0s, 285 kph
DNF Lance Stroll, Williams / Mercedes 96.3s, 287 kph
DNF Max Verstappen, Red Bull / (Renault) 96.7s, 287 kph
DNF Kevin Magnussen, Haas / Ferrari 98.7s, 267 kph
DNS Stoffel Vandoorne, McLaren / Honda
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Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:33 pm

Russian Grand Prix qualifying and practice lap times (Q3/Q2/Q1/P3/P2/P1):
http://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-o ... rmation-28
93.2 / 94.0 / 94.5 / 94.0 / 94.1 / 97.2 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari - 326 kph
93.3 / 93.7 / 95.0 / 94.3 / 94.4 / 96.1 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari - 331 kph
93.3 / 93.3 / 94.0 / 94.4 / 94.8 / 96.1 Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes - 330 kph
93.8 / 93.8 / 94.4 / 94.5 / 94.8 / 96.7 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes - 330 kph
94.9 / 95.5 / 95.6 / 95.8 / 95.9 / 97.3 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / Renault - 324 kph
95.1 / 95.0 / 95.8 / 95.5 / 96.3 / 97.9 Felipe Massa, Williams / Mercedes - 328 kph
95.2 / 95.2 / 95.3 / 95.5 / 95.5 / 97.2 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / Renault - 321 kph
95.3 / 95.3 / 96.2 / 95.7 / 96.3 / ----- Nico Hulkenberg, Renault - 319 kph
95.3 / 95.5 / 96.2 / 97.0 / 96.6 / 97.5 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes - 328 kph
95.4 / 95.7 / 95.4 / 96.7 / 96.7 / 98.1 Esteban Ocon, Force India / Mercedes - 330 kph :)
----- / 96.0 / 96.3 / 96.6 / 97.7 / 97.9 Lance Stroll, Williams / Mercedes - 331 kph
----- / 96.0 / 96.0 / 96.8 / 97.3 / 98.5 Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Renault - 320 kph
----- / 96.0 / 96.4 / 96.6 / 96.5 / 98.7 Kevin Magnussen, Haas / Ferrari - 325 kph
----- / 95.9 / 95.8 / 96.2 / 97.1 / 99.0 Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso / Renault - 318 kph - 3 spot penalty for wrecking Stroll in Bahrain
----- / 96.7 / 96.4 / 96.9 / 96.8 / 98.8 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Honda - 323 kph
----- / ----- / 96.5 / ----- / 96.8 / 99.2 Jolyon Palmer, Renault - 319 kph
----- / ----- / 97.3 / 97.7 / 97.7 / 99.7 Pascal Wehrlein, Sauber / Ferrari - 321 kph
----- / ----- / 97.5 / 97.5 / 97.8 /100.1 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari - 320 kph
----- / ----- / 97.6 / 97.2 / 97.0 / 99.5 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari - 326 kph :(
----- / ----- / 97.1 / 97.2 / 97.1 / 99.5 Stoffel Vandoorne, McLaren / Honda - 317 kph - 15 spot penalty for 5th turbocharger & MGU-H
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:31 am

I'm no F1 fan, but word on the street at my line of work in Singapore is that the GP this year would also be the last; the commercial organizers were not happy about the whole event being unprofitable to host for quite some time now. Even the casinos here supposedly the last ditch effort to draw in tourists aren't doing so hot either.
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Malaysia (Sepang) will lose their Grand Prix next year. France (Paul Ricard) and Germany (Hockenheim) are being added back to the schedule for 2018, increasing the number of races to 21 for the season. With Liberty Media having taken over, the relationship between the race promoters and F1 is slowly changing.
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:23 am

Recovered from last race deception, I am looking forward to this afternoon. My hopes are not that high as last time but who knows...
 
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Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:25 am

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I'm no F1 fan, but word on the street at my line of work in Singapore is that the GP this year would also be the last; the commercial organizers were not happy about the whole event being unprofitable to host for quite some time now. Even the casinos here supposedly the last ditch effort to draw in tourists aren't doing so hot either.


Is it affordable for the average Joe in Singapore to buy a ticket for the race or are the people just not interested?
 
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Is it affordable for the average Joe in Singapore to buy a ticket for the race


Mostly yes.

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or are the people just not interested?


Mostly not.

It's a funny place really, since it's pretty common to see people driving $100K+ cars going to great lengths to save maybe $2 on parking just so they can walk a lot more to eat a $3 meal.
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