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Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:04 am

Will there be anything left standing in Division 1 NCAA basketball after the FBI gets through with it?

I'm just waiting for the sweet schadenfreude moment we all know is coming, namely Pitino's perp-walk.
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Re: College Basketball

Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:25 pm

Glad to see Slick Rick finally get what's coming to him. Next up, lets see what we can do about Calipari
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Re: College Basketball

Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:21 pm

Very much agreed. Can't wait for Pitino to wear his white suit into the courtroom and cry when found guilty (of whatever).

Honestly it's hard to believe Calapari hasn't been in MORE trouble yet. He's had to give up full seasons because of his cheating, yet he continues on with an insane salary at a school with ridiculous basketball history. I just hope that enough people get in trouble to "fix" a bit of this, and yet not so many that it really, really hurts college basketball.
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Re: College Basketball

Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:06 am

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Will there be anything left standing in Division 1 NCAA basketball after the FBI gets through with it?.


Maybe it is just wishful thinking, but I get a feeling the BigTen is going to come out of this with its nose fairly clean if not in position to assert itself as the dominant conference in basketball. The reason I say that is based on the tendencies for most of the bigten programs to recruit local. I find it hard to believe most of these schools would be stuck with leftover 3-4 star recruits from local area Highschools if they were recruiting dirty.
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Re: College Basketball

Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:02 am

Big Ten won't be the dominant conference once this is over. Sorry. Yes, some big teams won't come out of this cleanly, but the ACC and B12 are still tops and have been for quite a while. Until Indiana and OSU return to their former glory the Big Ten is going to continue to be fighting for second, third, or fourth.

Mind you, 3 or 4 star recruits can win plenty of games. Look at Wichita State. I'm not sure they've had a five star recruit in decades. Or VCU. or Butler. Plenty of examples of schools without the top guys doing really well. A lot depends on the coaches and thier game plan.
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Re: College Basketball

Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:25 pm

Oh I never said 3-4 star recruits aren't any good, I am just saying there are a lot of REALLY good teams with only 3-4 star recruits that I can sleep easy about. I highly doubt that Sam Dekker out of Sheboygan was racking in that Adidas money. Which is why I think when the curtains are rolled back and we look into the tournament winners over the past few years and compare to teams that are accused and found guilty of cheating, we may find the a lot of the top remaining clean teams coming from the smaller midwest schools.
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Re: College Basketball

Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:26 pm

40-45K enrollment is a "smaller, Midwest school" to you? (Wisconsin-Madison)

I'm pretty sure the "smallest" school in the Big Ten is Northwestern, at roughly 20-22K on their main campus. That's big. I don't doubt that Big Ten schools may come out of this cleaner than some other schools, but I'm not really sure it has a ton to do with anything except the coaches involved to be honest.

So far we know of USC, Miami, Louisville, Arizona, OK State, and Auburn. I honestly think it's just who unluckily ended up with jerks on their coaching staff that were willing to skirt the rules all along. There isn't much of a geographical correlation there beyond most of them being in the southern portion of the US.
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Re: College Basketball

Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:59 pm

DancinJack wrote:
So far we know of USC, Miami, Louisville, Arizona, OK State, and Auburn. I honestly think it's just who unluckily ended up with jerks on their coaching staff that were willing to skirt the rules all along. There isn't much of a geographical correlation there beyond most of them being in the southern portion of the US.

Don't forget the AAU ball feeders. That's where it really starts.

That said, when I was in college somewhere around the stone age (a/k/a pre-MTV), total undergrads were usually under 3,000 (excluding Cornell).
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Re: College Basketball

Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:42 pm

Captain Ned wrote:
DancinJack wrote:
So far we know of USC, Miami, Louisville, Arizona, OK State, and Auburn. I honestly think it's just who unluckily ended up with jerks on their coaching staff that were willing to skirt the rules all along. There isn't much of a geographical correlation there beyond most of them being in the southern portion of the US.

Don't forget the AAU ball feeders. That's where it really starts.

That said, when I was in college somewhere around the stone age (a/k/a pre-MTV), total undergrads were usually under 3,000 (excluding Cornell).


Agreed, yes. I was just naming colleges but you're totally right that's probably the majority of the cancer.
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