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Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:04 am

Will there be anything left standing in Division 1 NCAA basketball after the FBI gets through with it?

I'm just waiting for the sweet schadenfreude moment we all know is coming, namely Pitino's perp-walk.
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Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:25 pm

Glad to see Slick Rick finally get what's coming to him. Next up, lets see what we can do about Calipari
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Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:21 pm

Very much agreed. Can't wait for Pitino to wear his white suit into the courtroom and cry when found guilty (of whatever).

Honestly it's hard to believe Calapari hasn't been in MORE trouble yet. He's had to give up full seasons because of his cheating, yet he continues on with an insane salary at a school with ridiculous basketball history. I just hope that enough people get in trouble to "fix" a bit of this, and yet not so many that it really, really hurts college basketball.
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Re: College Basketball

Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:06 am

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Will there be anything left standing in Division 1 NCAA basketball after the FBI gets through with it?.


Maybe it is just wishful thinking, but I get a feeling the BigTen is going to come out of this with its nose fairly clean if not in position to assert itself as the dominant conference in basketball. The reason I say that is based on the tendencies for most of the bigten programs to recruit local. I find it hard to believe most of these schools would be stuck with leftover 3-4 star recruits from local area Highschools if they were recruiting dirty.
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Re: College Basketball

Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:02 am

Big Ten won't be the dominant conference once this is over. Sorry. Yes, some big teams won't come out of this cleanly, but the ACC and B12 are still tops and have been for quite a while. Until Indiana and OSU return to their former glory the Big Ten is going to continue to be fighting for second, third, or fourth.

Mind you, 3 or 4 star recruits can win plenty of games. Look at Wichita State. I'm not sure they've had a five star recruit in decades. Or VCU. or Butler. Plenty of examples of schools without the top guys doing really well. A lot depends on the coaches and thier game plan.
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Re: College Basketball

Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:25 pm

Oh I never said 3-4 star recruits aren't any good, I am just saying there are a lot of REALLY good teams with only 3-4 star recruits that I can sleep easy about. I highly doubt that Sam Dekker out of Sheboygan was racking in that Adidas money. Which is why I think when the curtains are rolled back and we look into the tournament winners over the past few years and compare to teams that are accused and found guilty of cheating, we may find the a lot of the top remaining clean teams coming from the smaller midwest schools.
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Re: College Basketball

Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:26 pm

40-45K enrollment is a "smaller, Midwest school" to you? (Wisconsin-Madison)

I'm pretty sure the "smallest" school in the Big Ten is Northwestern, at roughly 20-22K on their main campus. That's big. I don't doubt that Big Ten schools may come out of this cleaner than some other schools, but I'm not really sure it has a ton to do with anything except the coaches involved to be honest.

So far we know of USC, Miami, Louisville, Arizona, OK State, and Auburn. I honestly think it's just who unluckily ended up with jerks on their coaching staff that were willing to skirt the rules all along. There isn't much of a geographical correlation there beyond most of them being in the southern portion of the US.
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Re: College Basketball

Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:59 pm

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So far we know of USC, Miami, Louisville, Arizona, OK State, and Auburn. I honestly think it's just who unluckily ended up with jerks on their coaching staff that were willing to skirt the rules all along. There isn't much of a geographical correlation there beyond most of them being in the southern portion of the US.

Don't forget the AAU ball feeders. That's where it really starts.

That said, when I was in college somewhere around the stone age (a/k/a pre-MTV), total undergrads were usually under 3,000 (excluding Cornell).
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Re: College Basketball

Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:42 pm

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So far we know of USC, Miami, Louisville, Arizona, OK State, and Auburn. I honestly think it's just who unluckily ended up with jerks on their coaching staff that were willing to skirt the rules all along. There isn't much of a geographical correlation there beyond most of them being in the southern portion of the US.

Don't forget the AAU ball feeders. That's where it really starts.

That said, when I was in college somewhere around the stone age (a/k/a pre-MTV), total undergrads were usually under 3,000 (excluding Cornell).


Agreed, yes. I was just naming colleges but you're totally right that's probably the majority of the cancer.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-fede ... 38484.html
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Documents and bank records obtained in discovery during the federal investigation into the underbelly of college basketball detail in meticulous fashion the expenditures of prominent former NBA agent Andy Miller, his former associate Christian Dawkins and his agency, ASM Sports. They include expense reports and balance sheets that list cash advances, as well as entertainment and travel expenses for high school and college prospects and their families.

The documents tie some of the biggest names and programs in the sport to activity that appears to violate the NCAA’s amateurism rules. This could end up casting a pall over the NCAA tournament because of eligibility issues. There’s potential impermissible benefits and preferential treatment for players and families of players at Duke, North Carolina, Texas, Kentucky, Michigan State, USC, Alabama and a host of other schools. The documents link some of the sport’s biggest current stars – Michigan State’s Miles Bridges, Alabama’s Collin Sexton and Duke’s Wendell Carter – to specific potential extra benefits for either the athletes or their family members. The amounts tied to players in the case range from basic meals to tens of thousands of dollars.
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Re: College Basketball

Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:59 pm

I'd be willing to bet that Mike Krzyzewski will end up personally clean, while some of his assistants go down. I'd be willing to wager that he does almost nothing outside of on-court coaching these days.
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Re: College Basketball

Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:04 pm

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I'd be willing to bet that Mike Krzyzewski will end up personally clean, while some of his assistants go down. I'd be willing to wager that he does almost nothing outside of on-court coaching these days.

I wouldn't think the Paterno Defense to be a viable option these days.
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Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:05 pm

Sean Miller is so screwed. What a dope.
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Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:47 pm

I wonder if his will make a dent in the overall practice. I kinda doubt it.
 
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Re: College Basketball

Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:36 pm

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I wonder if his will make a dent in the overall practice. I kinda doubt it.

Yeah, I highly, very much doubt it. Until they change the amateurism rules this crap will continue day-in, day-out.
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Re: College Basketball

Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:03 pm

So how do they pick and choose which schools to go after?
 
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Re: College Basketball

Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:38 pm

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So how do they pick and choose which schools to go after?

Well, since this is an FBI investigation, it all depends on who rats first and gets the best deal.
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Re: College Basketball

Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:40 pm

A few years ago, I heard a well-respected former NCAA coach and current radio commentator describe the difference between an NCAA investigation and a real investigation like this: "If the NCAA pounds on your front door with dozens of allegations, you laugh. You tell them to go away and stay the heck off of your porch. If the FBI gives you a phone call saying that they want to talk with you, you should immediately offer to tell everything that you know about bigger fish to try to negotiate a deal."

Even if NCAA investigators were equally skilled, they lack the powerful tools available to the FBI: subpoenas, wiretaps and the threat of real jail time in federal prison.
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Re: College Basketball

Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:24 pm

In lighter news, KU (Kansas - my alma mater) just won its 14th straight Big 12 championship. Woo!

(Also, it doesn't seem like KU is gonna get in too much (if any) trouble from the FBI probe. Thank goodness.)
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Re: College Basketball

Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:56 pm

I am still struggling to understand exactly how this warrants FBI budget and time. Especially when they're having a hard time stopping school shooters.

Why isn't this a matter between the NCAA and specific schools, with potentially several cases against NBA agents?
 
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Re: College Basketball

Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:58 pm

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A few years ago, I heard a well-respected former NCAA coach and current radio commentator describe the difference between an NCAA investigation and a real investigation like this: "If the NCAA pounds on your front door with dozens of allegations, you laugh. You tell them to go away and stay the heck off of your porch. If the FBI gives you a phone call saying that they want to talk with you, you should immediately offer to tell everything that you know about bigger fish to try to negotiate a deal."

Even if NCAA investigators were equally skilled, they lack the powerful tools available to the FBI: subpoenas, wiretaps and the threat of real jail time in federal prison.

Doesn't sound accurate, at least if you're an NCAA coach or athletic director. Your career can be ruined by those guys, and it can cost your school millions and years of athletic competitiveness.
 
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Re: College Basketball

Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:00 pm

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I am still struggling to understand exactly how this warrants FBI budget and time. Especially when they're having a hard time stopping school shooters.

Why isn't this a matter between the NCAA and specific schools, with potentially several cases against NBA agents?

I think for the most part because the NCAA has refused to really dig into this for decades. Maybe they don't have the resources, I'm not certain, but the NCAA is just an awful organization for the most part. Hopefully this forces some top-to-bottom reforms.
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Re: College Basketball

Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:18 pm

Buub wrote:
I am still struggling to understand exactly how this warrants FBI budget and time. Especially when they're having a hard time stopping school shooters.

Why isn't this a matter between the NCAA and specific schools, with potentially several cases against NBA agents?


Because it is about money, and crossing state lines. It started like a lot of things do for the FBI - a tip. The FBI then started investigating, and as soon as something is "there" they rqeuest resources - and boom, you have a task force. Because this is a matter that extends beyond state lines makes it their jurisdiction.

The issue of the "lone wolf" vs money laundering (or any financial crime) is that the first is hard to discern, let alone prosecute. Financial crimes are somewhat easier (although they can be a lot more complex) because you just have to follow the money (which is harder to do then it sounds).

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