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Re: Formula One 2018

Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:56 am

Results from Monza:
https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula- ... ication-30
1 Lewis Hamilton - Mercedes, 82.5s, 358 kph
2 Kimi Raikkonen - Ferrari - 83.5s, 350 kph
3 Valtteri Bottas - Mercedes, 82.9s, 357 kph
4 Sebastian Vettel - Ferrari, 82.5s, 354 kph
5 Max Verstappen - Red Bull / Renault, 83.6s, 348 kph - 5s penalty for hitting Bottas cost him two places
6* Romain Grosjean - Haas / Ferrari, 84.2s, 346 kph
7 Esteban Ocon - Force India / Mercedes, 84.2s, 351 kph
8 Sergio Perez - Force India / Mercedes, 83.5s, 362½ kph (225¼ mph)
9 Carlos Sainz Jr - Renault, 84.1s, 330 kph
10 Lance Stroll - Williams / Mercedes, 84.6s, 346 kph
11 Sergey Sirotkin - Williams / Mercedes, 83.8s, 352 kph
12 Charles LeClerc - Sauber / Ferrari - 84.5s, 345 kph
13 Stoffel Vandoorne - McLaren / Renault, 84.8s, 331 kph
14 Nico Hulkenberg - Renault - 84.1s, 357 kph
15 Pierre Gasly - Toro Rosso / Honda, 84.8s, 349 kph
16 Marcus Ericsson - Sauber / Ferrari, 83.8s, 344 kph
17 Kevin Magnussen - Haas / Ferrari, 85.7s, 329 kph
DNF Daniel Ricciardo - Red Bull / Renault
DNF Fernando Alonso - McLaren / Renault
DNF Brendon Hartley - Toro Rosso / Honda

* Grosjean was excluded from his 6th place finish due to an illegal floor.


Standings after fourteen of twenty-one races:
https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula- ... ifications
415 Mercedes
390 Ferrari
248 Red Bull / Renault
84 86 Renault
84 76 Haas / Ferrari
59 Sahara Force India / Mercedes
52 McLaren / Renault
28 32 Racing Point Force India / Mercedes
30 Toro Rosso / Honda
19 Sauber / Ferrari
5 7 Williams / Mercedes


256 Lewis Hamilton - Mercedes
226 Sebastian Vettel - Ferrari
164 Kimi Raikkonen - Ferrari
159 Valtteri Bottas - Mercedes
130 Max Verstappen - Red Bull / Renault
118 Daniel Ricciardo - Red Bull / Renault
52 Nico Hulkenberg - Renault
49 Kevin Magnussen - Haas / Ferrari
44 46 Sergio Perez - Force India / Mercedes
43 45 Esteban Ocon - Force India / Mercedes
44 Fernando Alonso - McLaren / Renault
32 34 Carlos Sainz Jr - Renault
28 Pierre Gasly - Toro Rosso / Honda
35 27 Romain Grosjean - Haas / Ferrari
13 Charles LeClerc - Sauber / Ferrari
8 Stoffel Vandoorne - McLaren / Renault
5 6 Lance Stroll - Williams / Mercedes
6 Marcus Ericsson - Sauber / Ferrari
2 Brendon Hartley - Toro Rosso / Honda
0 1 Sergey Sirotkin - Williams / Mercedes
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Re: Formula One 2018

Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:00 pm

Absolutely gutted that Kimi did not win.
 
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Re: Formula One 2018

Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:24 pm

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Absolutely gutted that Kimi did not win.

DRS has made passing too easy. It was supposed to equalize two cars; now the trailing car always has the clear advantage.
What we have today is way too much pluribus and not enough unum.
 
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Re: Formula One 2018

Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:49 pm

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Absolutely gutted that Kimi did not win.

DRS has made passing too easy. It was supposed to equalize two cars; now the trailing car always has the clear advantage.

Did you even watch the race? DRS had nothing to do with it. Ferrari had a faster car even when DRS was factored in.

It was Mercedes strategy, and Ferrari's inability to respond, that did Kimi in. Mercedes baited Ferrari to an early stop. Kimi was on an really well used set of tires by the time he caught up with Bottas so Kimi's speed advantage, even with DRS, was gone. Hamilton was able to catch up because a) Bottas was his blocker (Mercedes had left Bottas out to do exactly that) and b) his tires were 8 laps fresher that Kimi's. Even without DRS, Hamilton would have waltzed by Kimi at that point.
 
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Re: Formula One 2018

Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:53 pm

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Absolutely gutted that Kimi did not win.

DRS has made passing too easy. It was supposed to equalize two cars; now the trailing car always has the clear advantage.

Did you even watch the race? DRS had nothing to do with it. Ferrari had a faster car even when DRS was factored in.

Did you watch Spa and the ease of DRS passes coming into Les Combes?
What we have today is way too much pluribus and not enough unum.
 
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Re: Formula One 2018

Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:34 pm

Haas are willing to be jackholes in any way necessary to kick their rival Force India while they're down:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/haas ... l/3169726/

Renault are willing to be the same to Haas, probably for similar competitive reasons:
http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/245 ... lt-protest

Gunther Steiner says that Renault are too slow to beat Haas on the track so they're trying to beat them in court:
https://www.crash.net/f1/news/905035/1/ ... -you-court

Mercedes gets a pass after having its pit crew stand in the the pit lane for the sole purpose of making Raikkonen's drive to his pit stall a half second longer:
http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/245 ... -part-game
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Re: Formula One 2018

Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:48 am

Lando Norris will replace Stoffel Vandoorne at McLaren in 2019:
http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/245 ... laren-2019
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vand ... 28/?nrt=54
http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/245 ... pe-brigade
Zak Brown wrote:
It’s clear we haven’t provided Stoffel with the tools to show his true talent, but throughout our relationship he’s proved to be a fantastic team player. His work ethic is impressive, he has a great reputation within the team and we’ve really enjoyed working with him. Of course, we would have loved to achieve more success during our time together, but that doesn’t detract from the fact that he will always be a part of the McLaren family of grand prix drivers. We wish Stoffel all the best in whatever direction he chooses to take next in his career.

We believe Lando is an exciting talent, full of potential, who we’ve very deliberately kept within the McLaren fold for exactly that reason. Lando is an integral part of our plan for rebuilding our Formula 1 operation for the future, and he has already developed a strong relationship with the team.

Stoffel Vandoorne wrote:
While we haven’t achieved the success we’d all hoped for, I’ve really enjoyed the past two seasons racing for McLaren and I have a great relationship with everyone in the team. I intend to give it my all for the remaining seven races of this season.

Lando Norris wrote:
To be announced as a race driver for McLaren is a dream come true. Although I’ve been part of the team for a while now, this is a special moment, one I could only hope would become reality. I’d like to thank the whole team for this amazing opportunity and for believing in me. I’m also extremely grateful for the commitment McLaren has already shown in my development.

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Vandoorne should be a reminder that expecting too much, too soon of a youngster can be grossly unfair. The deck was always stacked against Vandoorne in F1. The Belgian was dropped into a dumpster fire of a situation: a McLaren team at war with Honda and at war with itself internally. It probably designed an awful car last year and definitely did this year, with the excuses made about Honda well and truly exposed for what they really were since the switch to Renault. As Vandoorne put it himself after his home race, the team has not made progress at all in 2018. It has fared so badly that it has squeezed the last ounce of patience and hunger from the competitive animal that is Fernando Alonso and prompted him to quit the sport at the end of the year. The only resemblance McLaren currently bares [sic] to the great team it used to be is its name. It's hard to argue that many young drivers on the grid would have fared any better against a man as brilliantly consistent as Alonso. Vandoorne has been one of the closest teammates to Alonso on Saturday afternoons. Too often Vandoorne has faded in races while Alonso has taken the car by the scruff of the neck and forced it further up the grid than it probably deserved to be. There also needs to be questions about whether McLaren is a healthy environment for a young driver.
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Re: Formula One 2018

Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:38 am

Charles LeClerc and Kimi Raikkonen will swap rides for 2019 and 2020.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... ve-ferrari
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Signing Kimi Raikkonen as our driver represents an important pillar of our project, and brings us closer to our target of making significant progress as a team in the near future. Kimi's undoubted talent and immense experience in Formula One will not only contribute to the development of our car, but will also accelerate the growth and development of our team as a whole. Together, we will start the 2019 season with a strong foundation, driven by the determination to fight for results that count.
Charles LeClerc will become the first graduate of the Ferrari Driver Academy to drive for the Italian team in F1. He will be the second-youngest driver to race for Ferrari, behind only Ricardo Rodriguez.
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Re: Formula One 2018

Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:42 pm

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/905229/1/ ... ading-2019
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12472 ... teban-ocon
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There are still hopes, yes, but less and less, as you know. That's a bit why I'm disappointed at the moment, to see that it's not only results that come in play, it has to be other things. That's why I'm disappointed to be in that situation. It's hard to believe that I was in a great position two months ago and things have gone that way now.I was in a fantastic position a couple of months ago and this has turned in a way that I am without a seat nowadays. I’ve worked really hard to get here. This year I’ve progressed compared to last year. It’s 11-3 against Sergio [Perez] in qualifying. I’m fighting hard to do the best I can every race. Arriving here not knowing what I will do next year it’s hard to swallow. And also seeing all my old rivals – Max [Verstappen], Pierre [Gasly], Charles [Leclerc], people I’ve been racing with since day one – they are in top teams and top cars, fighting for podiums and victories. That makes me more hungry than ever and makes me push hard every day. But what should be taken into account is the results, and the work the driver puts in and the effort he puts in to perform. Those extra sport things should not be taken into account. That is where I am a bit disappointed with how things have turned out. As I always say, my life is Formula 1, I have nothing else. The only thing I wanted since I was born is to be racing.
Lewis Hamilton wrote:
Any team who is not taking him, that's their loss. There are a lot of teams making bad decisions. It's fact.
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The Ocon situation, I didn’t do it to screw him, but the effect of my move has put him in a bit of a position now.
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What's been going on this year in July and in August was just unbelievable. There was so much politics in the background, hidden agendas, lies, and not all of the good kids are going to end up in cars, and probably Esteban will be one of them. He's one of the future stars. I'm 100 percent sure of that. In July, he had two offers on the table with contracts, and it was just a matter of choosing which was the right one. But he has ended up not having any anymore because people simply don't have the balls to stick to what they say. Esteban is strong, he's been through difficult moments in his career. Neither should the young drivers that have power and speed to be relying on anybody else. I think talent is eventually going to find a way to the good cars, and Esteban is going to [go]."
Christian Horner wrote:
If Toto writes a cheque I'm sure he can get a seat in Williams. There's three super talented kids, certainly two very strong ones I think, and Ocon would be great to see in Formula 1 and George Russell. Toto might have to cut them free at the end of the day because it's a shame to see those guys not get a Formula One seat, just because of who they're contracted to.
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Re: Formula One 2018

Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:55 am

Singapore Grand Prix qualifying and practice lap times (Q3/Q2/Q1/P3/P2/P1):
https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula- ... rmation-13
96.0 / 97.3 / 99.4 / 98.6 / 98.7 /101.2 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes - 309 kph
96.3 / 97.2 / 98.8 / 99.3 / 99.2 / 99.9 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / Renault - 301 kph
96.6 / 97.9 / 98.2 / 98.1 /100.6 /100.0 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari - 312 kph
96.7 / 97.3 / 99.3 / 98.6 / 99.4 /101.4 Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes - 309 kph
96.8 / 97.2 / 98.5 / 98.4 / 98.7 /100.5 Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari - 312 kph
97.0 / 97.4 / 98.2 / 99.2 / 99.3 / 99.7 Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull / Renault - 303 kph
98.0 / 98.3 / 98.8 /100.2 /100.8 /102.4 Sergio Perez, Force India / Mercedes - 307 kph
98.3 / 98.4 / 98.7 / 99.7 /100.4 /102.1 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari - 304 kph
98.4 / 98.5 / 98.9 /100.1 /100.9 /103.2 Esteban Ocon, Force India / Mercedes - 306 kph
98.6 / 98.5 / 98.9 /100.5 /100.7 /101.1 Nico Hulkenberg, Renault - 300 kph
------ / 98.6 / 99.0 /100.3 /100.5 /102.6 Fernando Alonso, McLaren / Renault - 301 kph
------ / 98.7 / 99.1 /100.6 /100.3 /101.3 Carlos Sainz Jr., Renault - 300 kph
------ / 98.7 / 99.2 /100.9 /101.1 /102.0 Charles LeClerc, Sauber / Ferrari - 306 kph
------ / 99.5 / 99.4 /102.0 /100.8 /102.4 Marcus Ericsson, Sauber / Ferrari - 304 kph
------ / 99.7 / 99.6 /100.7 /101.6 /103.2 Pierre Gasly, Toro Rosso / Honda - 298 kph
------ / ------ / 99.6 /100.6 /101.2 /102.5 Kevin Magnussen, Haas / Ferrari - 302 kph
------ / ------ / 99.8 /101.6 /101.5 /103.5 Brendon Hartley, Toro Rosso / Honda - 302 kph
------ / ------ / 99.9 /100.8 /101.2 /105.2 Stoffel Vandoorne, McLaren / Renault - 302 kph
------ / ----- /101.3 /101.9 /102.2 /104.0 Sergey Sirotkin, Williams / Mercedes - 307 kph
------ /------ /101.3 /102.2 /102.1 /103.8 Lance Stroll, Williams / Mercedes - 306 kph

With Lance Stroll being a putrid 5.3 seconds per lap slower than Lewis Hamilton, Lewis and Max may have to lap the rolling chicane that is Stroll's Williams FW41 three times during the 61-lap race tomorrow.
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Re: Formula One 2018

Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:39 am

Results from Singapore:
https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula- ... ication-13
1 Lewis Hamilton - Mercedes, 102.9s, 308 kph
2 Max Verstappen - Red Bull / Renault, 103.3s, 299 kph
3 Sebastian Vettel - Ferrari, 104.7s, 307 kph
4 Valtteri Bottas - Mercedes, 104.7s, 309 kph
5 Kimi Raikkonen - Ferrari, 104.7s, 314 kph
6 Daniel Ricciardo - Red Bull / Renault, 103.1s, 302 kph
7 Fernando Alonso - McLaren / Renault, 103.2s, 298 kph - only "B series" car to finish on the lead lap :)
8 Carlos Sainz Jr - Renault, 105.2s, 298 kph
9 Charles LeClerc - Sauber / Ferrari, 105.2s, 300 kph
10 Nico Hulkenberg - Renault, 106.1s, 304 kph
11 Marcus Ericsson - Sauber / Ferrari, 105.2s, 295 kph
12 Stoffel Vandoorne - McLaren / Renault, 105.6s, 300 kph
13 Pierre Gasly - Toro Rosso / Honda, 106.1s, 296 kph
14 Lance Stroll - Williams / Mercedes, 106.0s, 297 kph
15 Romain Grosjean - Haas / Ferrari, 105.9s, 300 kph - 5s penalty for ignoring blue flags didn't affect finish, but he's now just 3 points away from a race ban.
16 Sergio Perez - Force India / Mercedes, 105.4s, 304 kph
17 Brendon Hartley - Toro Rosso / Honda, 104.9s, 297 kph
18 Kevin Magnussen - Haas / Ferrari, 101.9s, 306 kph (2 laps down)
19 Sergey Sirotkin - Williams / Mercedes, 105.9s, 294 kph (2 laps down) - provided excitement as a rolling chicane
DNF Esteban Ocon - Force India / Mercedes - wrecked by his teammate on the first lap :(
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Re: Formula One 2018

Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:37 pm

Standings after fifteen of twenty-one races:
https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula- ... ifications
452 Mercedes
415 Ferrari
274 Red Bull / Renault
91 Renault
76 Haas / Ferrari
59 Sahara Force India / Mercedes
58 McLaren / Renault
32 Racing Point Force India / Mercedes
30 Toro Rosso / Honda
21 Sauber / Ferrari
7 Williams / Mercedes


281 Lewis Hamilton - Mercedes
241 Sebastian Vettel - Ferrari
174 Kimi Raikkonen - Ferrari
171 Valtteri Bottas - Mercedes
148 Max Verstappen - Red Bull / Renault
126 Daniel Ricciardo - Red Bull / Renault
53 Nico Hulkenberg - Renault
50 Fernando Alonso - McLaren / Renault
49 Kevin Magnussen - Haas / Ferrari
46 Sergio Perez - Force India / Mercedes
45 Esteban Ocon - Force India / Mercedes
38 Carlos Sainz Jr - Renault
28 Pierre Gasly - Toro Rosso / Honda
27 Romain Grosjean - Haas / Ferrari
15 Charles LeClerc - Sauber / Ferrari
8 Stoffel Vandoorne - McLaren / Renault
6 Lance Stroll - Williams / Mercedes
6 Marcus Ericsson - Sauber / Ferrari
2 Brendon Hartley - Toro Rosso / Honda
1 Sergey Sirotkin - Williams / Mercedes
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Re: Formula One 2018

Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:29 pm

http://f1i.com/news/317675-toro-rosso-c ... rtley.html
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According to reports in Italy, Honda engines are currently providing only 930 hp, compared to 950 hp for Renault and over a thousand for both Mercedes and Ferrari.
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Re: Formula One 2018

Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:25 am

Another podium where the Mercedes drivers are both upset and Vettel happy, just like Monaco in 2015.

I thought that they would switch the drivers back around at the end to not take Bottas' win from him, but I can understand the logic in giving Hamilton 7 more points.
 
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Re: Formula One 2018

Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:37 pm

Formula 1 driver lineup for 2019:
Mercedes: Lewis Hamilton & Valtteri Bottas
Ferrari: Sebastian Vettel & Charles LeClerc
Red Bull / Honda: Max Verstappen & Pierre Gasly
Force India / Mercedes: Sergio Perez & Lance Stroll
Renault: Daniel Ricciardo & Nico Hulkenberg
Haas / Ferrari: Romain Grosjean & Kevin Magnussen
McLaren / Renault: Carlos Sainz & Lando Norris
Toro Rosso / Honda: Daniil Kvyat & ??
Sauber / Ferrari: Kimi Raikkonen & Antonio Giovinazzi
Williams / Mercedes: George Russell & ?Sergey Sirotkin?
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Re: Formula One 2018

Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:53 pm

I’m amazed that people are upset at the team orders.
 
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Re: Formula One 2018

Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:43 pm

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I’m amazed that people are upset at the team orders.


Part of it is from failing to realize F1 is a team sport and not a competition between individuals, which is kind of understandable given how much focus there is on the driver's championship. The reality of course is that the "Driver's championship" is really a "car/team/driver working in combination championship" but that's not quite as catchy. :P The only reason he was even in a position to have a win "taken away" from him is that the team gave him the best car (at least this weekend). Look no further than Alonso/Mclaren to see how important the team is in F1.

Don't get me wrong I would have liked to see Bottas get the win, but I also totally understand the reason for team orders. It would be pretty silly to invest huge amounts of money, spend years of development, build a team with hundreds of the best people you can find....only to lose by a few points because of "honor" or whatever.

At least Mercedes is open about team orders too. It's a bit puzzling to me how reluctant Ferrari is to openly use team orders (see German GP, among others) considering team orders are officially allowed now and everyone can see what is happening.
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Re: Formula One 2018

Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:40 am

And...Schumacher's successful years came when there was a ban on team orders. It was not supposed to be happening. Of course, they were nearly impossible to regulate, hence the dropping of the ban.
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Re: Formula One 2018

Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:52 pm

Standings after sixteen of twenty-one races:
https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula- ... ifications
495 Mercedes
442 Ferrari
292 Red Bull / Renault
59 Sahara Force India / Mercedes
35 Racing Point Force India / Mercedes
91 Renault
80 Haas / Ferrari
58 McLaren / Renault
30 Toro Rosso / Honda
27 Sauber / Ferrari
7 Williams / Mercedes


306 Lewis Hamilton - Mercedes
256 Sebastian Vettel - Ferrari
189 Valtteri Bottas - Mercedes
186 Kimi Raikkonen - Ferrari
158 Max Verstappen - Red Bull / Renault
134 Daniel Ricciardo - Red Bull / Renault
53 Kevin Magnussen - Haas / Ferrari
53 Nico Hulkenberg - Renault
50 Fernando Alonso - McLaren / Renault
47 Sergio Perez - Force India / Mercedes
47 Esteban Ocon - Force India / Mercedes
38 Carlos Sainz Jr - Renault
28 Pierre Gasly - Toro Rosso / Honda
27 Romain Grosjean - Haas / Ferrari
21 Charles LeClerc - Sauber / Ferrari
8 Stoffel Vandoorne - McLaren / Renault
6 Lance Stroll - Williams / Mercedes
6 Marcus Ericsson - Sauber / Ferrari
2 Brendon Hartley - Toro Rosso / Honda
1 Sergey Sirotkin - Williams / Mercedes
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Re: Formula One 2018

Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:22 pm

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I’m amazed that people are upset at the team orders.


Dude. Please don't presume to judge those who do not share your opinion. From my POV, if I'm gonna spend a good chunk of my disposable income to attend a race and watch fire-breathing monsters do battle, I damn well want to see a genuine RACE, not a managed procession that is designed to protect the corporate interests of the dominant team.
 
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Re: Formula One 2018

Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:23 pm

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So one travesty somehow justifies another? Methinks Mr. Spock would likely disapprove of your logic. :wink:
 
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Re: Formula One 2018

Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:38 am

Geonerd wrote:
End User wrote:
I’m amazed that people are upset at the team orders.


Dude. Please don't presume to judge those who do not share your opinion. From my POV, if I'm gonna spend a good chunk of my disposable income to attend a race and watch fire-breathing monsters do battle, I damn well want to see a genuine RACE, not a managed procession that is designed to protect the corporate interests of the dominant team.

Dude. It’s the law of the land. The fix is in before every race begins. You’re wasting your hard earned money because a managed procession is what you’re gonna get under the current regulations. And it’s not even isolated to the top teams. Look at what happened with Force India.

I think team orders should be banned.
 
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Re: Formula One 2018

Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:41 am

Geonerd wrote:
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So one travesty somehow justifies another? Methinks Mr. Spock would likely disapprove of your logic. :wink:

Way to misinterpret my post.

What Ferrari did to Rubens was appalling. It is, perhaps, the greatest example of why team orders should be banned.
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:46 am

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Geonerd wrote:
End User wrote:


So one travesty somehow justifies another? Methinks Mr. Spock would likely disapprove of your logic. :wink:

Way to misinterpret my post.

What Ferrari did to Rubens was appalling. It is, perhaps, the greatest example of why team orders should be banned.

Whoops. Scratch that. I forgot about Crashgate.
 
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Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:15 am

Let's not forget about Lewis Hamilton lying to the stewards at Australia in 2009.
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Re: Formula One 2018

Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:15 pm

Number of power unit elements used per car by each engine manufacturer through 16 of 21 races:
(Internal Combustion Engine, TurboCharger, Motor Generator Unit - Kinetic, Motor Generator Unit - Heat, Energy Store, Control Electronics)
Ferrari - 3.2, 3.0, 3.0, 2.0, 2.0, 2.0
Mercedes - 3.2, 3.2, 3.2, 2.0, 2.0, 2.0
Renault - 4.3, 4.5, 4.3, 3.8, 3.3, 3.3
Honda - 6.5, 6.5, 6.5, 5.5, 3.0, 3.5

Half of the cars in the field have been penalized for exceeding the allowable number of one or more of the elements.
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Re: Formula One 2018

Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:49 am

Standings after seventeen of twenty-one races:
https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula- ... ifications
538 Mercedes
460 Ferrari
319 Red Bull / Renault
59 Sahara Force India / Mercedes
43 Racing Point Force India / Mercedes
92 Renault
84 Haas / Ferrari
58 McLaren / Renault
30 Toro Rosso / Honda
27 Sauber / Ferrari
7 Williams / Mercedes


331 Lewis Hamilton - Mercedes
264 Sebastian Vettel - Ferrari
207 Valtteri Bottas - Mercedes
196 Kimi Raikkonen - Ferrari
173 Max Verstappen - Red Bull / Renault
146 Daniel Ricciardo - Red Bull / Renault
53 Sergio Perez - Force India / Mercedes
53 Kevin Magnussen - Haas / Ferrari
53 Nico Hulkenberg - Renault
50 Fernando Alonso - McLaren / Renault
49 Esteban Ocon - Force India / Mercedes
39 Carlos Sainz Jr - Renault
28 Pierre Gasly - Toro Rosso / Honda
31 Romain Grosjean - Haas / Ferrari
21 Charles LeClerc - Sauber / Ferrari
8 Stoffel Vandoorne - McLaren / Renault
6 Lance Stroll - Williams / Mercedes
6 Marcus Ericsson - Sauber / Ferrari
2 Brendon Hartley - Toro Rosso / Honda
1 Sergey Sirotkin - Williams / Mercedes

It is now obvious how unnecessary and cruel it was for Mercedes to take away Bottas' win with team orders in Russia. The world constructor's championship and the top spot for driver's points may well be clinched at the next race.


Considering that the stewards handed out time penalties to Verstappen, to Stroll and even to Alonso, It's slightly surprising that they did not also award a penalty to Magnussen for changing direction under braking.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/p06n60kq
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Re: Formula One 2018

Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:30 pm

https://www.racefans.net/2018/10/17/pea ... e-decline/
Dieter Rencken, RaceFans wrote:
Talk of the upcoming Brazilian Grand Prix brought more bad news: the teams will not be paid (albeit indirectly, given F1’s income is distributed from a “pot” after deductions made for Liberty’s expenses) for this year’s Brazilian Grand Prix. Or next year’s round. Or the 2020 race.

Apparently the race agreement consisted of two parts: a hosting contract with the promoter, known to be a long-standing associate of ex-F1 tsar Bernie Ecclestone, whose wife was once marketing director for the company; and a separate financial underwriting agreement with Sao Paulo city/state. Thus public coffers paid the hosting fee, with the gate covering promoter costs (and profits). It seems that during Bernie’s last days in office he extended the promoter agreement, but failed – conveniently forgot? – to obtain the necessary fiscal agreement. The promoter maintains he has a valid deal and, if F1 failed to sort the funding, that’s not his problem, so the teams (and FOM) are travelling all the way to Brazil and staging the show for three straight years without earning a (coffee) bean for their efforts. Asked to comment, an insider said, “That’s the short version, but you’re not far off the truth,” adding, “We were all surprised when we saw the contract, but Mr E was the boss at the time…”
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:12 pm

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