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Re: Formula One 2019

Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:32 pm

Standings after four of twenty-one races
173 Mercedes
99 Ferrari
64 Red Bull / Honda
18 McLaren / Renault
17 Racing Point / Mercedes
13 Alfa Romeo / Ferrari
12 Renault
8 Haas / Ferrari
4 Toro Rosso / Honda
0 Williams / Mercedes


87 Vatteri Bottas, Mercedes
86 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes
52 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari
51 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / Honda
47 Charles Leclerc, Ferrari
13 Sergio Perez, Racing Point / Mercedes
13 Pierre Gasly, Red Bull / Honda
13 Kimi Raikkonen, Alfa Romeo / Ferrari
12 Lando Norris, McLaren / Renault
8 Kevin Magussen, Haas / Ferari
6 Nico Hulkenberg, Renault
6 Carlos Sainz, McLaren / Renault
6 Daniel Ricciardo, Renault
4 Lance Stroll, Racing Point / Mercedes
3 Alexander Albon, Toro Rosso / Honda
1 Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Honda
0 Antonio Giovinazzi, Alfa Romeo / Ferrari
0 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari
0 George Russell, Williams / Mercedes
0 Robert Kubica, Williams / Mercedes
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Re: Formula One 2019

Sat May 11, 2019 12:42 pm

Who actually believes Lewis Hamilton's B.S. about how slow his Mercedes is?

Qualifying results for the Spanish Grand Prix:
75.4 Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes
76.0 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes
76.3 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari
76.4 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / Honda
76.6 Charles Leclerc, Ferrari
76.7 Pierre Gasly, Red Bull / Honda
76.9 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari
76.9 Kevin Magnussen, Haas / Ferrari
77.2 Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Honda
77.3 Lando Norris, McLaren / Renault
77.4 Alexander Albon, Toro Rosso / Honda
77.6 Carlos Sainz, McLaren / Renault
77.3 Daniel Ricciardo, Renault - 3 spot penalty for backing into Kvyat at the last race
77.8 Kimi Raikkonen, Alfa Romeo / Ferrari
77.9 Sergio Perez, Racing Point / Mercedes
78.5 Lance Stroll, Racing Point / Mercedes
80.3 Robert Kubica, Williams / Mercedes (104.3% of Bottas' Q1 time)
78.7 Antonio Giovinazzi, Alfa Romeo / Ferrari - 5 spot penalty for new gearbox
79.1 George Russell, Williams / Mercedes (102.7% of Bottas' Q1 time) - 5 spot penalty for new gearbox
78.4 Nico Hulkenberg, Renault - pit lane start for replacing front wing with an older spec during qualifying

Although the two Williams cars are still dead last in every session on track, George Russell was only 0.786 seconds off of making Q2 - the closest that Williams has been to being out of the cellar all year. This is also the first race of the 2019 season that the woeful FW42 was actually 0.613 seconds faster than the awful FW41 from 2018.
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Re: Formula One 2019

Sun May 12, 2019 1:03 pm

Standings after five of twenty-one races
217 Mercedes (out of 220 possible)
121 Ferrari
87 Red Bull / Honda
22 McLaren / Renault
17 Racing Point / Mercedes
15 Haas / Ferrari
13 Alfa Romeo / Ferrari
12 Renault
6 Toro Rosso / Honda
0 Williams / Mercedes


112 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes (out of 130 possible)
105 Vatteri Bottas, Mercedes
66 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / Honda
64 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari
57 Charles Leclerc, Ferrari
21 Pierre Gasly, Red Bull / Honda
14 Kevin Magussen, Haas / Ferari
13 Sergio Perez, Racing Point / Mercedes
13 Kimi Raikkonen, Alfa Romeo / Ferrari
12 Lando Norris, McLaren / Renault
10 Carlos Sainz, McLaren / Renault
6 Daniel Ricciardo, Renault
6 Nico Hulkenberg, Renault
4 Lance Stroll, Racing Point / Mercedes
3 Alexander Albon, Toro Rosso / Honda
3 Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Honda
1 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari
0 Antonio Giovinazzi, Alfa Romeo / Ferrari
0 George Russell, Williams / Mercedes
0 Robert Kubica, Williams / Mercedes
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Re: Formula One 2019

Mon May 13, 2019 8:10 am

Ferrari just can't help tripping over themselves. Twice in that race there should have been easy calls to let the other car through, both times it took them far too many laps to make that call, destroying the tyres of the car behind.
 
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Re: Formula One 2019

Fri May 17, 2019 2:47 pm

After five of twenty-one races, here is the average of each team's fastest lap as a percentage of the fastest lap each week:
100.074 Mercedes
100.530 Ferrari
100.894 Red Bull / Honda
101.661 Haas / Ferrari
101.888 McLaren / Renault
101.970 Toro Rosso / Honda
102.069 Alfa Romeo / Ferrari
102.084 Renault
102.198 Racing Point / Mercedes
104.540 Williams / Mercedes
The gap from #1 Mercedes to #2 Ferrari is larger than the gap from #4 Haas to #9 Racing Point. The gap from #9 Racing Point to #10 Williams is larger than the gap from #1 Mercedes to #9 Racing Point.
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Re: Formula One 2019

Sun May 19, 2019 4:01 pm

And Alonso gets bumped from Indy by the last qualifying run and 0.02 MPH over 4 laps.
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Re: Formula One 2019

Mon May 20, 2019 5:52 pm

Someday, Alonso may regret the trail of burned bridges that he's left behind in his career.
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Re: Formula One 2019

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Re: Formula One 2019

Tue May 21, 2019 8:08 pm

Well, that didn't take long:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/motorsport/48341341
Andrew Benson, BBC wrote:
McLaren have parted company with the man who was employed to run their Indycar program.
Among the myriad problems that afflicted them was the fallout from a decision early in the programme to build their own steering wheel. These house electronic read-outs and several controls for the car, and most Indycar teams buy them in from British company Cosworth. When McLaren realised they had run out of time to do their own before starting testing, they ordered one from Cosworth, but when it arrived it did not have any gear-change paddles. When McLaren asked why, they were told they had not ordered them.

https://f1i.com/news/341670-brown-admit ... -indy.html
Jenna Fryer wrote:
The Carlin spare car was in a paint shop 30 minutes from the track, more than a month after McLaren complained about the color, and it ultimately cost McLaren almost two full days of track time. The team looked foolish as other teams were able to move into backup cars in mere hours; James Hinchcliffe crashed in Saturday qualifying and was back on track in his spare that afternoon.



https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/rena ... r/4392897/
If you were afraid that the cost cap in 2021 will stunt your development efforts, wouldn't it make even more sense to throw resources at the 2021 design now, while there are unlimited funds and personnel allowed?
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Re: Formula One 2019

Wed May 22, 2019 7:54 am

Given how many years Bob Fernley was with Force India and what they achieved during that time, I rather suspect he was the sacrificial goat for McLaren's Indy fiasco.
 
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Re: Formula One 2019

Thu May 23, 2019 7:30 am

arunphilip wrote:

At the Ferrari Museum:

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Re: Formula One 2019

Thu May 23, 2019 7:41 am

Captain Ned wrote:
arunphilip wrote:

At the Ferrari Museum:

Wow, that's a very classy tribute. No words needed.
 
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Re: Formula One 2019

Sat May 25, 2019 8:21 am

And Ferrari screws up Q1.
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Re: Formula One 2019

Mon May 27, 2019 9:58 am

Another F1 weekend, another operational error by Ferrari, another Mercedes win - and would have been a 1-2 but for Verstappen's unsafe release with Bottas.

I'm really disappointed that the stewards only gave a 5 second penalty - it makes racing in the pit lane worth the risk to the teams and the drivers. This has to stop, it's a clearly foreseeable major accident waiting to happen. We had 2 F1 cars banging in to each other and bits of them being flung about just behind the backs of mechanics who were completely unprotected from any debris. I can easily imagine that they catch wheels on the treads and cause a car to jump across the pit lane in to a group of mechanics, or in to another car that is on its way in to a pit box and push that car in to the mechanics.

I would change the rules to ban racing in the pit lane. Have the unsafe release rules as they are now but also add a new rule that you can't be alongside another car, you need to be in the through lane of the pit lane unless you are on the direct path to and from your pit box. If there is another car then you need to yield and pull in behind.
 
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Re: Formula One 2019

Mon May 27, 2019 11:23 am

Another F1 weekend, another boring processional "race".

Maybe we should undo the stupid 2017 change that widened the cars from 1.8 to 2.0 meters. Maybe we shouldn't put those stupidly-wide F1 cars on stupidly-narrow tracks with unsafe narrow pit areas like Monaco and Zandvoort.
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Re: Formula One 2019

Mon May 27, 2019 8:46 pm

Power Unit components allowed per car for the whole 2019 F1 season: 3 each of Internal Combustion Engine, TurboCharger and Motor/Generator Unit-Heat; 2 each of Motor/Generator Unit-Kinetic, Control Electronics and Energy Store.
Average # of power unit components used per car by engine manufacturer through six of twenty-one races (ICE, TC, MGU-H, MGU-K, CE, ES):
Renault: 2.75, 2.75, 2.75, 2.25, 2.25, 1.25
Honda: 2.50, 2.00, 2.00, 2.00, 1.25, 1.25
Ferrari: 2.00, 1.67, 1.67, 1.00, 2.17, 1.00
Mercedes: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00, 1.00, 1.17, 1.17

Only George Russell's freak collision with a manway cover has caused any Mercedes power unit components to be replaced this year.
Niko Hulkenberg's Renault has used 4 ICE, 4 TC, 4 MGU-H, 3 MGU-K, 3 CE and 1 ES already.
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Re: Formula One 2019

Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:52 pm

The ghost of Aryton Senna should haunt the stewards for that idiotic decision.
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Re: Formula One 2019

Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:40 pm

https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/26 ... -foot-this
https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/26 ... gp-penalty
https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/26 ... ari-canada
Mario Andretti, former F1 world champion wrote:
I think the function of the stewards is to penalize flagrantly unsafe moves not honest mistakes as result of hard racing. What happened at #CanadaGp is not acceptable at this level of our great sport. @F1
Nigel Mansell, former F1 world champion wrote:
Very very embarrassing. No joy in watching this race, two champions driving brilliantly, will end in a false result.
Sebastian Vettel, former F1 world champion wrote:
"I had nowhere to go. Seriously, I had nowhere to go," he said. "I did see him. "Where the hell am I supposed to go? I have grass on my wheels. If he had gone to the inside, he could have gone past me. I am focused, but they are stealing the race from us!"
He later added: "You need to be an absolute blind man to think you can go through the grass and then control the car," he said. "I was lucky I didn't hit the wall. Where the hell am I supposed to go? "This is a wrong world, I tell you. This is not fair."
When told by Ferrari to calm down, he said: "I am not staying calm. This is not fair. It is not fair. I'm angry ... and I have the right to be angry. I don't care what people say."
After the race, Vettel opened his radio channel to say, "No, no, no, guys, not like that. "You need to be an absolute blind man to [make this decision] ... to go through the grass and then control your car. This is a wrong world. This is not fair. Where the hell was I supposed to go?"
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Re: Formula One 2019

Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:40 am

An interesting counterpoint https://ca.motorsport.com/f1/news/reaso ... a/4461462/
The footage clearly captures Vettel correcting an oversteer moment as he rejoins the track – which is shown by a sharp steering wheel movement to the right by the German.

Shortly after that, however, Vettel has dispatched the oversteer and begins steering to the left to follow the direction of the circuit - suggesting he is now under control.

But a split moment later, rather than keeping to the left, Vettel is shown to release the steering wheel which allows his car to drift to the right – cutting off the route that Hamilton would have taken had he had clear space.

The movement to straighten the wheel, which put Vettel into the path of Hamilton, is believed to be key to the unanimous decision by the stewards to punish Vettel.


Even before reading that, I believed the penalty was fair. Yes, Vettel was flying across the grass and had no choice about coming back on to the circuit, but when he did he very clearly kept his foot in to try not to lose the place to Hamilton and pushed Hamilton all 4 wheels off the track. I believe he could have lifted and not squeezed Hamilton. He's a racer so he's always going to keep his foot on the power and squeeze his rival, but that's why we have rules and penalties.

The decision is also consistent with Verstappen and Raikkonen at Japan last year. While that one may not have been a popular decision, the stewards are very careful about consistency in their decisions.
 
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Re: Formula One 2019

Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:11 am

And I thought the NFL had bad replay reviews...

Even as an outside observer, that's a terrible look for F1. I think you can argue that Vettel made the safer move going wide, using the width of the track to regain and maintain control on re-entry, and that alone merits a deeper dive.

Also, (IMO) it's a really bad look apply such a penalty during the race. Sure, you can warn Vettel and Ferrari about a possible penalty, but you shouldn't do anything that might change how drivers race. Force everyone to keep racing hard, because that might solve the problem for you.
On second thought, let's not go to TechReport. Tis a silly place.
 
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Re: Formula One 2019

Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:48 am

They had the delayed penalties in the past. Then everyone gets upset that they watched driver A win the race and the next day in the papers read that driver B actually won it. Driver A has already done the winner's interview, stood on the podium and heard their anthem, sprayed the champagne. What does driver B get?
 
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:31 pm

My point wasn't that the FIA should delay the results of a race. My point was that issuing and announcing the penalty (to everyone and during the race) gave Hamilton a virtual first place so long as he stayed within 5 seconds of Vettel (because that can change how he races). I was suggesting that they minimize the announcement and force everyone to stay competitive. That gives everyone a chance to sort it out without enforcing a penalty (at least for #1). This would leave the door open for Hamilton to win outright (even if that is unlikely), avoiding/minimizing the controversy. You never want officiating to be the story after the event (see January's NFC Championship game).

As it stands, Hamilton could still be kicked back to #2 if Ferrari's appeal is successful, right? So the FIA might still have a podium/papers mismatch. I just think there has to be a smarter way of handling this, resulting in a better experience for everyone.
On second thought, let's not go to TechReport. Tis a silly place.
 
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Re: Formula One 2019

Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:47 pm

superjawes wrote:
I just think there has to be a smarter way of handling this, resulting in a better experience for everyone.

No contact, no foul, no penalty.
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Re: Formula One 2019

Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:51 pm

Standings after eight of twenty-one races
338 Mercedes (out of 352 possible)
198 Ferrari
137 Red Bull / Honda
40 McLaren / Renault
32 Renault
19 Racing Point / Mercedes
19 Alfa Romeo / Ferrari
17 Toro Rosso / Honda
16 Haas / Ferrari
0 Williams / Mercedes


187 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes (out of 208 possible)
151 Vatteri Bottas, Mercedes
111 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari
100 Max Verstappen, Red Bull / Honda
87 Charles Leclerc, Ferrari
37 Pierre Gasly, Red Bull / Honda
26 Carlos Sainz, McLaren / Renault
19 Kimi Raikkonen, Alfa Romeo / Ferrari
16 Daniel Ricciardo, Renault
16 Nico Hulkenberg, Renault
14 Kevin Magussen, Haas / Ferari
14 Lando Norris, McLaren / Renault
13 Sergio Perez, Racing Point / Mercedes
10 Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso / Honda
7 Alexander Albon, Toro Rosso / Honda
6 Lance Stroll, Racing Point / Mercedes
2 Romain Grosjean, Haas / Ferrari
0 Antonio Giovinazzi, Alfa Romeo / Ferrari
0 George Russell, Williams / Mercedes
0 Robert Kubica, Williams / Mercedes

P.S.: https://f1i.com/standings is more accurate than https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula- ... ifications - go figure.

Zzzzz....


Ricciardo's two 5-second penalties for leaving the track dropped him from 7th to 11th in the French Grand Prix, costing him and Renault 6 championship points. At the front, it was yet another boring processional "race" with zero passes for the top four spots. Today's podium was determined by engineering decisions made many months ago rather than by the skill of the drivers.
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Re: Formula One 2019

Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:40 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:
Standings after eight of twenty-one races
343 Mercedes (out of 352 possible)
191 Ferrari

187 Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes (out of 208 possible)
156 Vatteri Bottas, Mercedes
104 Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari


Your scores are a bit off: Bottas is 151, Vettel 111, Merc is 338, Ferrari 198, etc.: https://www.formula1.com/en/results.htm ... ivers.html and https://www.formula1.com/en/results.html/2019/team.html

Not that it'd matter at the end of the season - Mercedes scorching ahead is a sight to behold. While it does not make for interesting viewing at the front of the field, I cannot help but appreciate Mercedes' blend of driver talent, PU technology, and an operational/race strategy A-game. You know you're doing everything right when even luck tilts in your favour (e.g. Bahrain, Canada).

The midfield looks very hot, both Renault-powered teams are trading blows and looking very sharp there.

A peculiar presence in the midfield is Gasly - in terms of points and race performances (esp. France) he seems to prefer hanging with this crowd rather than driving forwards to the other five.
 
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Re: Formula One 2019

Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:04 am

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JustAnEngineer wrote:
Standings after eight of twenty-one races
343 Mercedes (out of 352 possible)
191 Ferrari
Your scores are a bit off: Bottas is 151, Vettel 111, Merc is 338, Ferrari 198, etc.:
Did you forget to count the point for fastest race lap? Your source appears to be giving Vettel credit for the victory that the stewards stole from him in Canada. Here's a link to the FIA's official standings:
https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula- ... ifications


I believe that Lewis Hamilton is a good driver, but it's absurd the way that some pundits give him effusive praise as the greatest driver of all time. For years, all that Hamilton has had to do to cement most victories is to beat his team-mate in qualifying or wait for the team orders to force his faster team-mate to yield the win to him during the race like they did in last year's Russian Grand Prix. F1 is fundamentally broken as a sport. Given the delays and the watering-down of changes for 2021, I am less and less optimistic that it can be saved.
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Re: Formula One 2019

Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:14 am

JustAnEngineer wrote:
Did you forget to count the point for fastest race lap? Your source appears to be giving Vettel credit for the victory that the stewards stole from him in Canada. Here's a link to the FIA's official standings:
https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula- ... ifications


The FIA seem to have copied the FRA column and pasted it on the CAN column. e.g. it shows Bottas in 2nd and Vettel 5th for Canada.
 
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Re: Formula One 2019

Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:25 am

arunphilip wrote:
JustAnEngineer wrote:
The FIA seem to have copied the FRA column and pasted it on the CAN column. e.g. it shows Bottas in 2nd and Vettel 5th for Canada.
So they did. Well, if they can't figure out how to administer their sport, should we expect them to be able to handle keeping track of the points, too? I'll go back to update the previous list when a correct version is posted.
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Re: Formula One 2019

Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:27 am

JustAnEngineer wrote:
Well, if they can't figure out how to administer their sport, should we expect them to be able to handle keeping track of the points, too?


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Re: Formula One 2019

Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:47 am

I fixed the table. :oops:


With the exception of Montreal, McLaren has certainly appeared to be in much improved form this season.
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