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Top QB's of all time

Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:15 pm

With Favre's retirement, I think this a good time to evaluate his place amongst the all time greats.

As much as it may surprise some, I don't think he even belongs in the discussion for Top 3. He just threw the ball up for grabs too much for that.

Anyway, here is my Top 5

1) Elway - the complete package
2) Montana - Winner
3) Marino - I take the lack of rings into account
4) Young - Had huge shoes to fill and did it admirably
5) Favre - cut his INT's by about 30% and he's #1

Manning and Brady will likely be on this list (either one may in fact be #1) but I decided for this thread not to count active guys. You can in your lists if you like.
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Re: Top QB's of all time

Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:18 pm

idchafee wrote:
With Favre's retirement, I think this a good time to evaluate his place amongst the all time greats.

As much as it may surprise some, I don't think he even belongs in the discussion for Top 3. He just threw the ball up for grabs too much for that.

Anyway, here is my Top 5

1) Elway - the complete package
2) Montana - Winner
3) Marino - I take the lack of rings into account
4) Young - Had huge shoes to fill and did it admirably
5) Favre - cut his INT's by about 30% and he's #1

Manning and Brady will likely be on this list (either one may in fact be #1) but I decided for this thread not to count active guys. You can in your lists if you like.
Will you take Favre off the list if/when he pulls another Clemens?
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Re: Top QB's of all time

Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:23 pm

mattsteg wrote:
idchafee wrote:
With Favre's retirement, I think this a good time to evaluate his place amongst the all time greats.

As much as it may surprise some, I don't think he even belongs in the discussion for Top 3. He just threw the ball up for grabs too much for that.

Anyway, here is my Top 5

1) Elway - the complete package
2) Montana - Winner
3) Marino - I take the lack of rings into account
4) Young - Had huge shoes to fill and did it admirably
5) Favre - cut his INT's by about 30% and he's #1

Manning and Brady will likely be on this list (either one may in fact be #1) but I decided for this thread not to count active guys. You can in your lists if you like.
Will you take Favre off the list if/when he pulls another Clemens?


Meaning what, that he's on roids?

At any rate, he'll fall off my list when Brady & Manning retire. If I were to lift my "no active players" rule, he'd be off it already.
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Re: Top QB's of all time

Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:31 pm

idchafee wrote:
mattsteg wrote:
idchafee wrote:
With Favre's retirement, I think this a good time to evaluate his place amongst the all time greats.

As much as it may surprise some, I don't think he even belongs in the discussion for Top 3. He just threw the ball up for grabs too much for that.

Anyway, here is my Top 5

1) Elway - the complete package
2) Montana - Winner
3) Marino - I take the lack of rings into account
4) Young - Had huge shoes to fill and did it admirably
5) Favre - cut his INT's by about 30% and he's #1

Manning and Brady will likely be on this list (either one may in fact be #1) but I decided for this thread not to count active guys. You can in your lists if you like.
Will you take Favre off the list if/when he pulls another Clemens?


Meaning what, that he's on roids?

At any rate, he'll fall off my list when Brady & Manning retire. If I were to lift my "no active players" rule, he'd be off it already.

Well, I'm not completely convinced that his retirement is more legit than Clemens' first couple or Seau's graduation. Come to think of it though, he did rely on drugs to perform, at least earlier in his career.
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Re: Top QB's of all time

Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:31 pm

My list looks something like

1. "Big" Ben Roethlisberger
2. Ben "wreckless" Roethlisberger
3. Ben "Giggles" Roflsberger
4. Ben "PAY ME" Roethlisberger

In no particular order. Really he is timeless. I'd take him over any of those "other" top 5 poseurs any day.
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Re: Top QB's of all time

Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:32 pm

mattsteg wrote:
Well, I'm not completely convinced that his retirement is more legit than Clemens' first couple or Seau's graduation. Come to think of it though, he did rely on drugs to perform, at least earlier in his career.


Meh, half the NFL is on vike.
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Re: Top QB's of all time

Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:33 pm

pete_roth wrote:
My list looks something like

1. "Big" Ben Roethlisberger
2. Ben "wreckless" Roethlisberger
3. Ben "Giggles" Roflsberger
4. Ben "PAY ME" Roethlisberger

In no particular order. Really he is timeless. I'd take him over any of those "other" top 5 poseurs any day.

You forgot
5. Ben "That's why I wear a helmet!" Roethlisberger.
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Re: Top QB's of all time

Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:33 pm

idchafee wrote:
mattsteg wrote:
Well, I'm not completely convinced that his retirement is more legit than Clemens' first couple or Seau's graduation. Come to think of it though, he did rely on drugs to perform, at least earlier in his career.


Meh, half the NFL is on vike.

Only half?
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Re: Top QB's of all time

Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:36 pm

mattsteg wrote:
pete_roth wrote:
My list looks something like

1. "Big" Ben Roethlisberger
2. Ben "wreckless" Roethlisberger
3. Ben "Giggles" Roflsberger
4. Ben "PAY ME" Roethlisberger

In no particular order. Really he is timeless. I'd take him over any of those "other" top 5 poseurs any day.

You forgot
5. Ben "That's why I wear a helmet!" Roethlisberger.



See Number 2.... My mom was calling him "wrecklessberger" LOLZ K MUMZ SO CLEVAR!!!, Damn I had to hear that crap all season.
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Re: Top QB's of all time

Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:43 pm

mattsteg wrote:
idchafee wrote:
mattsteg wrote:
Well, I'm not completely convinced that his retirement is more legit than Clemens' first couple or Seau's graduation. Come to think of it though, he did rely on drugs to perform, at least earlier in his career.


Meh, half the NFL is on vike.

Only half?


The other half has built up a tolerance to the stuff, they've probably moved on to demerol or morphine

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Re: Top QB's of all time

Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:45 pm

In no particular order Montana, Marino, Bradshaw, Starr, Unitas

Not to knock Young or Elway. I was just not big fans of theirs. (still probably in my top 10 with Farve).

Course Brady will be #1 when he retires. No question really.

Little Ben is not even in my top 5 of last year and Eli ranks higher than his brother.
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Re: Top QB's of all time

Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:11 pm

Sportingnews.com put out an article today about this:

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/vi ... p?t=372417

1. Johnny Unitas
Popularized NFL; threw TD passes in 47 consecutive games.

2. Joe Montana
Stayed the coolest in winning four Super Bowls for the Niners.

3. Otto Graham
Used arm and feet to guide Browns to 10 finals and seven titles.

4. John Elway
Clutch athlete with the "Drive" to win five AFC titles, two Super Bowls.

5. Tom Brady
Has the single-season TD record (50) to go with three Super Bowl rings.

6. Peyton Manning
Has the Super Bowl ring to go with prolific regular seasons.

7. Sammy Baugh
Slingin' Redskin brought the forward pass into the modern era.

8. Brett Favre
Unmatched toughness (275 consecutive starts) and stats (TD, yardage).

9. Dan Marino
The game's most prolific passer not to have won a Super Bowl.

10. Terry Bradshaw
Captained Steelers dynasty to four Super Bowl wins in six years.


I don't think I've been a real football fan long enough, nor do I know the history long enough to form a reasonable opinion on this. To me, this Unitas guy seems like a olden-times version of Peyton Manning. No idea who Otto Graham is whatsoever :D
Sammy Baugh, never heard of him either. But hey, I know that Brady guy is pretty good :wink:
 
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Re: Top QB's of all time

Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:22 pm

FroBozz_Inc wrote:
I don't think I've been a real football fan long enough, nor do I know the history long enough to form a reasonable opinion on this. To me, this Unitas guy seems like a olden-times version of Peyton Manning.

Try it the other way 'round. Peyton is the second-coming of Unitas.

As for Otto Graham, he played 10 seasons (4 in the AAFC, 6 in the NFL) and compiled a 105-17-4 lifetime record. In his 6 NFL seasons he put the Browns in the NFL Championship game 6 times, winning 3. In 4 years in the AAFC he won all 4 championships. Think about it, 10 years and 10 title games. Oh, by the way, he also played pro basketball the year before he started pro football and his team won the league title.
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Re: Top QB's of all time

Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:38 pm

FRAN TARKENTON !!!

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Re: Top QB's of all time

Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:48 pm

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No idea who Otto Graham is whatsoever :D Sammy Baugh, never heard of him either.
Kids these days. :lol:

What if you learned that one player led the league in both passing and rushing yards in the same season?
 
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Re: Top QB's of all time

Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:20 pm

Otto Graham is considered by many historians to be one of the greatest winners in the history of professional sports. Graham played six seasons in the NFL and took the Cleveland Browns to the NFL Championship Game all six seasons, winning three NFL titles. Including four seasons in which his team captured four AAFC titles, Graham played ten total seasons of professional football and made the league championship game all ten seasons, winning seven league titles. In his single season as a professional basketball player, the Rochester Royals also captured the league title. Thus, in 11 seasons as a professional athlete, Otto Graham's teams made the championship all eleven years, winning eight titles.


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Re: Top QB's of all time

Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:59 pm

FroBozz_Inc wrote:
Otto Graham is considered by many historians to be one of the greatest winners in the history of professional sports. Graham played six seasons in the NFL and took the Cleveland Browns to the NFL Championship Game all six seasons, winning three NFL titles. Including four seasons in which his team captured four AAFC titles, Graham played ten total seasons of professional football and made the league championship game all ten seasons, winning seven league titles. In his single season as a professional basketball player, the Rochester Royals also captured the league title. Thus, in 11 seasons as a professional athlete, Otto Graham's teams made the championship all eleven years, winning eight titles.


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Re: Top QB's of all time

Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:19 am

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FroBozz_Inc wrote:
Otto Graham is considered by many historians to be one of the greatest winners in the history of professional sports. Graham played six seasons in the NFL and took the Cleveland Browns to the NFL Championship Game all six seasons, winning three NFL titles. Including four seasons in which his team captured four AAFC titles, Graham played ten total seasons of professional football and made the league championship game all ten seasons, winning seven league titles. In his single season as a professional basketball player, the Rochester Royals also captured the league title. Thus, in 11 seasons as a professional athlete, Otto Graham's teams made the championship all eleven years, winning eight titles.


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It is a coincidence that he died in the same state the Tim Tebow was born? Can I say reincarnation? The latest date I see him doing anything before dying was 1984, 3 years before Tebow was born. Did he really die in 2003 :lol:
 
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Re: Top QB's of all time

Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:15 pm

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Re: Top QB's of all time

Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:15 pm

I'll stick with 1970 and up.
1. Montana :Super Bowl wins and cool under pressure
2.Bradshaw: 4 SB wins
3:Staubach: just because i was a Cowboy fan growing up
4: Elway: game winning drives
5:Kelly: 4 straight AFC Championships ,but in reality .no one would agree or care
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Re: Top QB's of all time

Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:44 pm

Johnny Unitas and Fran Tarkenton should really be in the conversation. It's so hard to compare players across eras though.

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