Moderator: Captain Ned
UberGerbil wrote:Odd that 28 writers didn't think Rickey was worthy today.
Captain Ned wrote:UberGerbil wrote:Odd that 28 writers didn't think Rickey was worthy today.
If Hank Aaron wasn't a unanimous choice, Rickey certainly isn't. Too many members of the BBWAA are hacks working at small-town papers and use their vote as a tool to boost the homies over the truly worthy. Because of that I don't think we'll ever see a unanimous Baseball HOF electee. For players about to hit HOF eligibility, Greg Maddux is about the only chance for unanimity.
Pettytheft wrote:Not really relevant - it's not like he was left off for lack of merit. Do you really think that he was left off of "honest ballots"?Trust me, if Ricky didn't get it then Maddux wont. Ricky is hands down the greatest leadoff hitter in the game and holds a record that will never be matched.
Pettytheft wrote:All of which has nothing to do with him being the greatest leadoff hitter or having an untouchable record. If anything, his persona might attract such voters.Like you said there will always be some ahole looking to get attention by not voting him in.
PRIME1 wrote:I'm still waiting for Pete Rose to get in.
ifittakesforever wrote:PRIME1 wrote:Once he pays his admission, I'm sure they'd be happy to let him look around.I'm still waiting for Pete Rose to get in.
Captain Ned wrote:See, that's just fundamentally stupid reasoning (which I'm accusing them of, not you). "We made a mistake before, so that justifies continuing to make that mistake forever." Earlier, better Negro League players weren't allowed to play in the Majors, so by that reasoning Jackie Robinson shouldn't have been either.UberGerbil wrote:If Hank Aaron wasn't a unanimous choice, Rickey certainly isn't.Odd that 28 writers didn't think Rickey was worthy today.
That deadspin article derFunk linked probably has it nailed, unfortunately: it's a fraternity that demands a certain amount of humiliation on every pledge it allows in.Too many members of the BBWAA are hacks working at small-town papers and use their vote as a tool to boost the homies over the truly worthy. Because of that I don't think we'll ever see a unanimous Baseball HOF electee.
The only argument I’ve heard in favour of not voting for guys like Rickey that makes any sense at all is this:
Since each voter only has 10 votes, if he wants to vote for some fringey guys to make a point or try to keep them on the ballot another year so they can drum up more support, they might not have enough votes to vote for all the obvious guys. And since Rickey is going to get in anyway (and there is at least one voter with the stated intent of voting for no one who played in the ’steroid era’, so he’s not going to be unanimous), then that voter can safely not vote for Rickey knowing it won’t make any material difference.
brsett wrote:Well, he did have 61 IBBs in his career. You're right, though, he leads the pack in un-intentional walks. More on this (and other measures of Rickey's awesomeness, and BBWA's stupidity wrt to other players, from PosnanskiMost walks (ex Bonds). And remember, a Ricky walk was always a mistake by the pitcher, never an accidental intentional walk.
brsett wrote:I'm generally not a big fan of counting stats, but when you're looking at a career for the HOF, they matter a fair bit. And this is why Hank Aaron is in that conversation.I love Hank Aaron. Great player -- one of my favorites. Not even close to Ricky in terms of quality though. Ricky, Willie Mays, Joe D, Babe Ruth, Ted Williams. Those are the people in that conversation.
derFunkenstein wrote:Yeah, in 2006, the year after Henderson played for them; Rickey was a hitting coach for the Mets by the time Canseco signed...and played one game, before being traded to LA at his request. Or so the Wikipedia entry says. (I kind of like that logo -- using a surfboard as the traditional oblong enclosure is clever). I expect they've already approached McGuire, Palmeiro, and Sosa...Isn't San Diego the same place that Joser Canseco tried his comeback?