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New $2865 system

Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:56 pm

I have been saving for months and splurged last night. It's a special occasion: I'm graduating from residency finally. I know they're not the best deals ever, as I was tired of waiting any longer. Anyway, the goal is to play GTA5, Shadows of Mordor, Assassin's Creed, Tomb Raider, CoD, etc in 3D at 1440p 120Hz. Curious to hear everyones' opinions.

ASUS ROG Swift 27" 1440p G-sync $799.99
MSI GTX 970 OC (Blue) $339.99-$10R
MSI GTX 970 OC (Blue) $339.99-$10R
i5-4690K quad-core CPU $224.99
Adata SP610 512GB SSD $179.99
Nvidia 3D Vision Glasses/IR Kit $144.99
MSI Z97-G45 Motherboard $129.99
PNY XLR8 2x8GB DDR3 1600 RAM $99.99
Toshiba 3TB SATA3 7200rpm HDD $99.99
Corsair CS750M 750W PSU 80+Gold $99.99-$20R
Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit $78.09
Xarmor U9 Cherry MX Brown $74.95
Cougar MX500 Tower, Fans x2 $70.99
Logitech G930 7.1 Headset $69.99
LG Internal 12x Blu ray Player $49.99
CM Hyper 212 EVO CPU cooler $34.99
Belkin SurgeMaster 4156J $21.49
StarTech PCIe Wireless N $20.99
TT Esports Talon 3000DPI mouse $19.99
Kingwin LED Case Fan, 120mm $3.99
Total: $2865.36 (mostly from TigerDirect)
 
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Re: New $2865 system

Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:09 pm

Have you looked at the AMD Prices 290X are going cheap right now
279$ after rebate is pretty good http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... -_-Product

and its the Tri-x ver probably the best version out there

everything else looks fine
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Re: New $2865 system

Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:10 pm

A couple of things strike me off hand. One, congrats on the graduation. Two, SLI can cause issues with a number of games so I'm not sure if it's worth it over a better single GPU. That being said your system shouldn't have any issues giving you good performance at the resolution you are going for.
 
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Re: New $2865 system

Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:28 pm

Congrats on your graduation!

Personally I love that system. I think you'll really enjoy it. It should be quiet and run like the wind. While I don't know that you'll top 120fps in GTA5 at 1440p, you'll do better than 60fps almost all the time (based on tests around the web) and it'll be a screamer for pretty much anything else while running cool and quiet. You earned it. Enjoy it. :)
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Re: New $2865 system

Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:40 pm

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Re: New $2865 system

Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:41 pm

Blagh! You're gonna stick some cheapo $4 case fans in a $2800 system? Poor form.
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Re: New $2865 system

Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:52 pm

Westbrook348 wrote:
Logitech G930 7.1 Headset $69.99
Ew...if you're really gonna splurge on a nice PC, why not flex your audio budget and get a Sennheiser HD558 and an Antlion Modmic. If you must have the mic built in, Sennheiser has the G4ME ONE, too. Both options should render a more pleasant audio experience.

And if you really want to torture your wallet, head over to Head-Fi.org...
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Re: New $2865 system

Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:13 pm

A couple of notes.

A single video card should be fine. The extra cash could be spent on an i7.

Intel or Corsair Neutron GTX SSDs are what I usually look at.

You could probably get rid of the optical drive altogether. If nothing else stepping down to a DVD Burner would save a couple of dollars.

Westbrook348 wrote:
ASUS ROG Swift 27" 1440p G-sync $799.99
MSI GTX 970 OC (Blue) $339.99-$10R
i5-4690K quad-core CPU $224.99
Adata SP610 512GB SSD $179.99
Nvidia 3D Vision Glasses/IR Kit $144.99
MSI Z97-G45 Motherboard $129.99
PNY XLR8 2x8GB DDR3 1600 RAM $99.99
Toshiba 3TB SATA3 7200rpm HDD $99.99
Corsair CS750M 750W PSU 80+Gold $99.99-$20R
Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit $78.09
Xarmor U9 Cherry MX Brown $74.95
Cougar MX500 Tower, Fans x2 $70.99
Logitech G930 7.1 Headset $69.99
LG Internal 12x Blu ray Player $49.99
CM Hyper 212 EVO CPU cooler $34.99
Belkin SurgeMaster 4156J $21.49
StarTech PCIe Wireless N $20.99
TT Esports Talon 3000DPI mouse $19.99
Kingwin LED Case Fan, 120mm $3.99
Total: $2865.36 (mostly from TigerDirect)
 
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Re: New $2865 system

Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:34 pm

If your computer costs more than a few hundred bucks, it's worth it to get insurance. That is: get a battery backup instead of a simple surge suppressor. A UPS will filter the power coming in, and protect against brownouts and blackouts. A surge suppressor will simply blow its fuse if the voltage spikes, and cut the power.

I also agree that you should forgo SLI in favor of an i7, or maybe an M.2 SSD.

And I'd recommend a better case fan. If you're mostly buying from Tigerdirect, they have Fractal Silent R2 fans that are pretty good.

Also, the Intel 7260 PCIe Wireless AC is $50. Even if you don't have an AC router, it doesn't hurt to future proof a bit.
 
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Re: New $2865 system

Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:43 pm

I think you meant to get a Titan X rather than 2x 970s, just saying.
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Re: New $2865 system

Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:10 pm

Is it too late to exchange the 970s? SLI is a sucker's game outside of very specialized applications, and a single 980 should be more than enough for one 1440p display. Looks fantastic aside from that.
 
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Re: New $2865 system

Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:51 pm

Thanks everyone for the supportive comments. I love the TR community. I know it's a lot of money to blow on a system. In the past I've bought Dell refurbished dented systems to save money. This is my first PC I'm building myself.

Killadark: I have looked at 290X prices and I'm very jealous of them. $279 for a faster card with more VRAM.. But my last two cards have been AMD (5770, 7950) and I have wanted to go back to Nvidia ever since I upgraded from the 9600 GSO 768MB card I used from 2009-11. I appreciate the better driver support from Nvidia. Plus, if I bought a 290X then the 3D vision kit would be a waste, and that's one of the main reasons for building THIS system. If I wasn't targeting 3D, then I'd probably be satisfied with frame times in the 16-25 ms range, now that we have variable refresh.

Nanoflower: Thanks. I've been somewhat worried about SLI issues, but Tomshardware posted a good article from a few days ago that said that SLI in 2015 is actually really good, and most of its remaining problems are at 4K resolution. I'll be gaming at 1440p and I don't usually buy games on launchday so I can afford to wait for driver and developer patches. Plus DX12 is coming out soon and we keep hearing things about Nvidia focusing on improved SLI performance for VR. I would be shocked if the upcoming improvements aren't backwards compatible with the Maxwells.

DPete27: Point taken! :) Won't the $4 fan work OK? It's 120mm. Is your problem with it that it won't help cool the system much, or that it will be too loud? If it breaks I can always replace. The case comes with two and I wanted a third to created a positive pressure system.

Superjawes: Haha yeah I could've splurged on better sound. I'm not an audiophile though. I can't appreciate a huge difference to make the extra expense worth it. I wanted to focus on graphical performance and storage speed with this PC (This is actually my first SSD!). And anyway, I love the G930; I bought it back in December and just included it in today's list because otherwise people would be asking what I planned to do for sound/speakers. I think it's a pretty great headset especially for gaming, and I love the surround. Once in a while there are Logitech driver quirks, but nothing that can't be fixed by resetting the software. I LOVE wireless headsets that let me get up and go to the bathroom or the kitchen without taking them off.

Flatland_Spider: Not sure a single GPU could handle 3D Vision well at 1440p. I spent $640 on the 970s. That's only slightly more than one 980 and still much cheaper than the TitanX. The one thing I considered was waiting for the next round of cards to come out in the next few months. But I've already been waiting months and the 970s are very highly rated especially for the resolution I'm targeting. I hope they'll work fine. I'm pretty sensitive to microstuttering, though. I'll let you know how it goes. As for the SSD, I targeted $/GB. I'm sure there are some faster drives out there, but my current PC just has a mechanical HDD so I'm going to notice a huge increase in performance no matter what. As long as the drive doesn't fail.. knock on wood.. Agree that the Blu Ray is probably unnecessary; could've put that $50 somewhere else. Seemed like a good value, though. And it'll get some use, still, I'm sure.

Spyrano: Good advice about the battery backup. I was under the impression that i7s weren't that much better than i5s for gaming performance, maybe 1-2% in most cases especially if the i5 is overclocked above 4 Ghz. That's why I bought the huge CPU cooler. i5 was $225 and i7 would've been $340.

Southrncomfortjm: $1000 for just the GPU is out of my price range. That would've put the total over $3k. The wife is already jealous enough as it is.

Thanks again for all the commments and the support everyone. The most common suggestion seems to be foregoing the dual 970s in favor of a single GPU, which would have to be the 980 because going to AMD would mean giving up 3D vision and the $1000 TitanX is out of the question, cmon now. My thinking was that the GTX 980 isn't even top tier anymore, yet it is still a bad value compared to its little brother. 60-70% more $$ for only 10-15% better performance. Two 970s for $640 outperforms one 980 for $500-550 in most situations, I think. Hard to say for sure, because Scott doesn't include SLI tests in his "Inside the Second" benchmarks very often (seeing the 295X2 in the TitanX review gave me hope that might change, though). Other sites made me pretty confident that 2x970 > 1x980 in my situation. More VRAM would be nice, but at 1440p I think I'll be fine.

I guess the other point to make is that you guys seem to think this PC is much higher end than I envisioned it. The hardware itself is $1656, and only $996 before you add the GPUs. The monitor was freakin expensive and because I didn't skimp too hard on the peripherals, that added up to $300+ for 3D Vision, headset, mechanical keyboard, and 6 button mouse (this is my first mechanical keyboard, actually. Lots of firsts! First SSD, first SLI, first 3D system, first G-sync system, first overclocked CPU, first PC I built myself). Here's the breakdown of the $2865:

22% GPUs
35% other hardware
28% monitor
12% peripherals
3% software (Windows)

With some of your guys' suggestions I could've easily added a few hundred dollars more to the purchase; dropping from two 970s to one 980 would've saved $100. Ditching 3D vision and going for AMD 4K Freesync would've saved $400-500 maybe. You guys are right for calling me out for skimping on the case fan. If I add a 4th or 5th fan or it turns out the $4 fan is really that crappy, I'll grab a $10 Fractal Silent R2 instead (especially if I see it pop up in a slickdeal). Hey at least the PSU isn't likely to explode on me, right? :)
 
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Re: New $2865 system

Fri May 01, 2015 9:02 am

Kudos on a well-researched and well-balanced system!

Out of curiosity, how much gaming did you enjoy during residency? The residents I've known put in 100+ hour weeks, using their free time to attack their sleep deficits.
 
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Re: New $2865 system

Fri May 01, 2015 9:07 am

Westbrook348 wrote:
Hey at least the PSU isn't likely to explode on me, right?

Actually... xD
Your system looks pretty good. Just hope you don't need to RMA a part.
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Re: New $2865 system

Fri May 01, 2015 9:11 am

I used SLI systems for about six or seven years straight.

First with a GTX 295 and then with a GTX 590.

I'm not saying they're perfect - little is - but my experience with both products over that long cycle was that it more or less just worked.

I wouldn't sweat the dual 970 purchase.
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Re: New $2865 system

Fri May 01, 2015 9:18 am

In response to the case fan question: Spending about $10 on a 120mm case fan (on sale) gets you into top quality fans. Will a $4 fan blow air and cool your system? Yes. But cheap fans tend to be louder (dBA) for the same airflow (CFM) and live shorter lives than the nicer ones.
Sounds like you already bought the fan, and like you said, it was $4 so if it sucks (blows?...nvm) it's not a big deal to replace. Otherwise, you could fill a whole thread with case fan recommendations. I have an Enermax Twister Silence PWM in my case and like it a lot. Also on my wish list for a CPU fan replacement is their Twister Pressure fan.

You do know that your Cougar MX500 case supports 140mm fans also? Bigger fan generally equals more airflow at less noise, but they generally cost more too (looks like $5 extra on average)

Case fan roundup: Part 1 and Part 2 for some reading material.

I think you've made good component selection choices overall. Should be a pretty awesome system.
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Re: New $2865 system

Fri May 01, 2015 11:38 am

Thanks for the comments everyone! Parts are on their way :)

Kretschmer: Thanks. During residency I didn't play a lot of games. We were super busy especially intern year. We're officially limited to 80 hr/week now, though sometimes we went over that to complete our duties. I saved up for a very long time for this system; I think being busy actually made the wait easier. It's gotten better lately. I have most weekends off now. And I'm about to have a few weeks vacation before I start my new job, which will be 36 hr/week (+5-15 hr paperwork). Life's about to get a lot nicer :) I have A LOT of games to catch up on.

DrDominodog51: Thanks! I hope I don't have to RMA anything either. I also hope I get the refunds.

Ryu Connor: Your SLI experiences are VERY reassuring. Thank you. I've never played with dual GPU before, but to those who suggested I should've gone with a single card like a 980 instead of two 970s, check out the Tomshardware article about SLI in 2015 (4/27).

DPete27: You're totally right. I should've gotten a couple decent 140mm fans instead of the cheapo 120mm. I'll install what I bought for now, and once everything's working as it should, I'll have a lot more patience to look for fan deals if I think the air flow could use a boost.

I was reading a review of the Cougar MX500 that said it has "bumps" in the side of the case for screwing in the motherboard, instead of rubber spacers; the site recommended taping the bumps to prevent the motherboard shorting. Is that something that really happens?

I'm curious to see what overclock I can get with the 4690K and the CM 212 Evo. I've never OC'ed a CPU; with my 7950 I only played with frequencies a little bit using MSI Afterburner. I've always been a little too nervous to touch the voltages. If it turns out I can't get the i5 to 4.4 Ghz or so, I'll probably regret not going for the i7 instead. They have pretty similar performance in almost every game lately, but newer titles are starting to benefit more from >4 threads. I guess when DX12 hits, the hyperthreading on the i7 will again become fairly irrelevant.
 
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Re: New $2865 system

Fri May 01, 2015 1:06 pm

Westbrook348 wrote:
I was reading a review of the Cougar MX500 that said it has "bumps" in the side of the case for screwing in the motherboard, instead of rubber spacers; the site recommended taping the bumps to prevent the motherboard shorting. Is that something that really happens?

I've never seen a case with rubber motherboard standoffs. They're always metal. Don't worry about it.

Regarding OCing. Just google "overclock i5-4690K stock voltage". All you have to do these days is change the max CPU multiplier in the BIOS. I wouldn't recommend changing voltages for an "everyday" overclock, not that you even NEED to overclock right now. (I usually don't OC until 2+ years down the road to keep my CPU up to snuff with the latest & greatest)
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Re: New $2865 system

Fri May 01, 2015 1:24 pm

DPete27 wrote:
Westbrook348 wrote:
I was reading a review of the Cougar MX500 that said it has "bumps" in the side of the case for screwing in the motherboard, instead of rubber spacers; the site recommended taping the bumps to prevent the motherboard shorting. Is that something that really happens?

I've never seen a case with rubber motherboard standoffs. They're always metal. Don't worry about it.

Insulating the standoffs would defeat one of the methods used to electrically ground the mobo to the case.
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Re: New $2865 system

Fri May 01, 2015 2:09 pm

Ryu Connor wrote:
I used SLI systems for about six or seven years straight.

First with a GTX 295 and then with a GTX 590.

I'm not saying they're perfect - little is - but my experience with both products over that long cycle was that it more or less just worked.

I wouldn't sweat the dual 970 purchase.

Amen to that. From experience with Radeon R9 290X's in CF and then my 970's in SLI, I can say with confidence you'll be fine. There was a metric **** tonne of problems with CF that went away in a heartbeat when I changed them to GeForces.

That's a decent system right there, I wouldn't change a thing on it.
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