Personal computing discussed
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Chrispy_ wrote:As always, remember the golden rule: RAID IS NOT BACKUP.
DPete27 wrote:1) Is there a reason you're not going with the newest generation of CPUs, Intel Skylake LGA 1151?
2) Is there a reason why the machine needs a full ATX mobo that costs $145? Motherboards don't differ in performance, only features/connectivity. Perhaps the AsRock Z170M Pro4S for $75 has all the required features/peripherals? Many/most LGA1151 boards take DDR4 RAM.
3) Is 2TB of solid state storage really needed, or could you do a 500GB M.2 SSD for $170 for OS and programs accompanied by a couple 2TB mechanical hdds for $65 each (with promo code) in Raid1 for data?
4) I'd echo the use of 2x16GB DDR4 RAM in a budget this size.
5) In this situation, the hardware requirements don't seem to require a $2000 budget. Either don't spend the full amount, or give the client the option to get fancier things like a nice case, or something else they'll actually see. Maybe build them a cool compact mITX system!! Small is sexy.
DLHM wrote:Mirroring was for minimal down time in case of drive failure,
DPete27 wrote:it would be more efficient to simply get your programs set up, then create a disk image that you could use as a restore in the event a failure occurs.
DPete27 wrote:Dual drive systems may be a little more hassle to get shortcut targets reassigned initially, but I find that having all your data on a separate drive is nice if your OS drive fails or if you want to replace/upgrade it. Since the majority of GBs is still in tact on the data drive, all you have to do is re-image the OS+Programs drive and you're back up in running in a few hours.
PFarkas wrote:DLHM wrote:Mirroring was for minimal down time in case of drive failure,
To minimize downtime, at initial build, install the OS to a second drive as well as the SSD so that both are bootable. The second drive need not be anything fancy - a $40 HGST 1tb NAS drive would be fine. Once the apps and user environment are configured to the user's satisfaction, boot from the second drive, create and store an image of the SSD on the second drive and put links to the imaging software on the desktop. Disconnect the second drive because air gap. Reconnect this drive, boot from it, and create new images periodically or after significant changes to the software configuration occurs.
In the event of drive failure, your time to recover is the time needed to source and install a replacement SSD, boot from the second drive and restore the most recent image, and restore whatever had been backed up to USB.
Using 2.5" hot-swap cages ($40) and a 2.5" secondary drive makes the process even easier.
JustAnEngineer wrote:$2K seems like overkill for this application.
$325 Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0/4.2 GHz hyper-threaded quad-core LGA1151 processor
$26½ Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo cooler
$170 2x16 GiB PC4-24000 Corsair Vengeance LPX CMK32GX4M2B3000C15 (DDR4-3000, 15-17-17-35, 1.35V) memory
$130 Gigabyte GA-Z170MX-Gaming 5 micro-ATX LGA1151 motherboard
$110 Radeon RX-460 4GB graphics card
or $0 Intel HD Graphics 530 integrated graphics
$170 1x 0.512 TB Intel 600p PCIe+NVMe M.2 SSD
or $240 2x 0.525 TB Crucial MX300 SATA+ACPI 2½" SSD
$50 LG Blu-ray burner
$120 -15MIR SeaSonic SS-660XP2 80+platinum ATX power supply
$100 Silverstone TJ08-E micro-ATX case
$37 Logitech G402 mouse
$76 Cooler Master CM Storm QuickFire TK keyboard
$36½ Cheap 2.1-channel speakers
$91 Microsoft Windows 10 64-bit Home OEM
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$1442, delivered
DLHM wrote:($209.99) ASUS ROG MAXIMUS VIII GENE LGA 1151 Intel Z170 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Gaming Motherboard
DLHM wrote:($255.99) CORSAIR Vengeance LED 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3466 (PC4 27700) Memory (Desktop Memory) Model CMU32GX4M4C3466C16R
DHLM wrote:($83.99) ASUS Black 16X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 5X DVD-RAM 12X BD-ROM SATA Blu-ray Burner BW-16D1HT
DHLM wrote:($79.99) Cooler Master GM Series G550M - Compact 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Modular PSU (6th Generation Skylake Compatible)
JustAnEngineer wrote:DLHM wrote:($209.99) ASUS ROG MAXIMUS VIII GENE LGA 1151 Intel Z170 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Gaming Motherboard
This is a fine motherboard, but it costs $80 more than the very good c that I suggested. The only pluses that I see for the extra dough are the Asus name and software support, DisplayPort and an Intel network chip instead of Killer.DLHM wrote:($255.99) CORSAIR Vengeance LED 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3466 (PC4 27700) Memory (Desktop Memory) Model CMU32GX4M4C3466C16R
LEDs on DIMMs are silly. I definitely would have gone with 2x 16 GiB rather than 4x 8 GiB.DHLM wrote:($83.99) ASUS Black 16X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 5X DVD-RAM 12X BD-ROM SATA Blu-ray Burner BW-16D1HT
I've gotten excellent service from LG Blu-ray drives. What does the Asus drive offer for 68% more cost?DHLM wrote:($79.99) Cooler Master GM Series G550M - Compact 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Modular PSU (6th Generation Skylake Compatible)
The PSU that I suggested would be more efficient and quieter. Here's a review at Jonny Guru:
All of the other elements of your build look okay to me. I like the easy-to-clean filters and compact external dimensions of the Silverstone TJ08-E case, but the Cooler Master case that you selected has a bit more room for radiators, etc.
DPete27 wrote:2 DIMMS still use 2 Channels.
Out of curiosity, what is the intended use for this build? Seems pretty mission-critical to be stored in someone's home closet.
JustAnEngineer wrote:The $120 -15MIR SeaSonic SS-660XP2 80+ Platinum power supply that I suggested would be more efficient and quieter than the Cooler Master GM Series G550M 80+ Bronze PSU that you selected. Here's a review at Jonny Guru:
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?na ... y&reid=326
DLHM wrote:I've never used that brand, and won't trust it in a computer that needs as close to 100% up time as possible. I'm not going to experiment with new brands on this PC. When I build one for fun, then maybe I'll introduce other brands. I don't want something to fail and then have to explain that I've never used that brand before, but the reviews were good.
DLHM wrote:supreme desktop user experience(Windows 10).
It's a home PC that is far away from a someone who can fix it. The user is not technical. It is in a closet because the user doesn't want it on his desk. Long HDMI cables and wireless keyboard and mouse will be used.
DLHM wrote:Interesting, what brand PC would you buy matching my requirements?