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Re: Ryzen to the occasion

Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:33 am

I haven't tweaked any of the software btw since the Creators Update is around the corner, but I never really thought my 290 could be considered a bottleneck for me hah.
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Re: Ryzen to the occasion

Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:37 pm

Hey Funk, can't wait to hear how it goes. I'm pretty settled on a 1700+AB350M Gaming 3 setup, but I'm anxious about some of the stuff I've seen about other motherboards for Ryzen.
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Re: Ryzen to the occasion

Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:30 pm

Quick impressions since it's been assembled for all of a half hour.

* Boot time is way better. Got to the not screen in about 6 seconds. Still slower than my Skylake box but do much better
* XMP just worked AFTER I flashed the latest UEFI update. 2933 is the closest Ryzen gets to the 3000 profile of my memory and that's what the board picked
* The same 3.7 at 1.275v works
* Had to reactivate Windows. Meh

Would have been so much happier with this board from the start but I'd never really had huge problems with any manufacturer in the past. I'm sure the Tomahawk will be a good board, just as I'm sure Asus's boards are.
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Re: Ryzen to the occasion

Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:46 am

ASUS makes fantastic motherboards. I never buy them anymore because they are especially awful at support. Two email-only 3-week-response-time tickets with extra engrish was enough for me.
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Re: Ryzen to the occasion

Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:53 am

Vhalidictes wrote:
ASUS makes fantastic motherboards. I never buy them anymore because they are especially awful at support. Two email-only 3-week-response-time tickets with extra engrish was enough for me.

I still buy them in spite of the lousy support. For me, the better odds of getting something that works right out of the box outweighs the pain of dealing with their tech support on those (rare) occasions where it is necessary to do so.
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Re: Ryzen to the occasion

Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:56 am

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Vhalidictes wrote:
ASUS makes fantastic motherboards. I never buy them anymore because they are especially awful at support. Two email-only 3-week-response-time tickets with extra engrish was enough for me.

I still buy them in spite of the lousy support. For me, the better odds of getting something that works right out of the box outweighs the pain of dealing with their tech support on those (rare) occasions where it is necessary to do so.


My Dad feels the same way. He doesn't bother with support any more though - when the motherboards age and SATA/USB ports start to go, he just buys another ASUS board.

I guess that means their support strategy is working?
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Re: Ryzen to the occasion

Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:56 pm

A day into this Gigabyte system and everything has been good. I've done a handful of reboots throughout the day and the system has never failed to POST or done anything weird. I've stress-tested the crap out of the system, including an overnight Prime95 run, and it was still running when I got up this morning. Just everything about it screams stability, which is awesome. The Tomahawk is on its way back to Newegg.

I guess we're basically done here, except to say I've had a couple dealings with Gigabyte support and they've always been good. Not to mention the Gigabyte-based systems themselves have been very solid—as solid as any Asus system I've built, anyway. If you're happy with your Asus gear, go for that, too.

Hopefully AM4 support turns a corner. All the Asetek-based liquid coolers are still waiting for brackets, and there hasn't been another beta for the Tomahawk in 10 days, but it probably won't be long and everything will be fine.
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Re: Ryzen to the occasion

Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:00 pm

That's good news. Hopefully that stability will carry over to the ITX board Gigabyte is supposed to be working on at the moment. :P
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Re: Ryzen to the occasion

Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:38 am

My Ryzen build has been completed.

1800X OCed to 4.0 GHz on all cores at 1.35 volts
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ADATA DDR4 2400 with timings lowered to 14 14 14 14 30 from the default of 17 17 17 17 39
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Can't say I'm displeased to be in the 97th percentile in FireStrike (only 92nd in Timespy though):

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12082722

http://www.3dmark.com/spy/1424126
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Re: Ryzen to the occasion

Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:53 pm

That's a nice looking system you've got there, ultima_trev. Should be pretty mighty for a long time to come.

And if you want to laugh and/or cry along with me, MSI has posted a beta BIOS that fixes POST times on the Tomahawk. If you're looking to build a system with it, it's a nice board but the POST times and funky RAM compatibility bugged me. If you build with Ryzen-specific RAM maybe the memory issues go away, and if the POST times are down, the Tomahawk is a very nice board.

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Go to BIOS > AM4. The Tomahawk is the 7A34 model. The X370 X Power Titanium is 7A31.
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Re: Ryzen to the occasion

Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:19 pm

Not sure if I should overclock or not. I like my system being mostly quiet.
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Re: Ryzen to the occasion

Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:57 pm

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Not sure if I should overclock or not. I like my system being mostly quiet.


You should do the opposite - keep stock clocks and undervolt. The difficulty and bragging rights are about the same.
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Re: Ryzen to the occasion

Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:14 pm

I also like my system stable and built to last as long as possible, so there's that.

Wish I could've waited for the 1600X but at the time I didn't know when it was coming.
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Re: Ryzen to the occasion

Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:47 pm

For me, an all-core 3.7 was candy. Barely over stock voltage and the temps even with the Wraith Spire are low...if you can believe the sensors anyway.
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Re: Ryzen to the occasion

Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:26 pm

Sensors for the 1700 should be accurate. Supposedly AMD made a 20 C offset between tJunction and tCTL numbers for the 1700X / 1800X for some reason, thus temperatures are actually 20 C lower than what's reported.

I hope so anyhow, seeing Prime 95 had me in the low 90's for a FMA stress test and mid 80's for the blend stress test.
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Re: Ryzen to the occasion

Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:45 pm

derFunkenstein wrote:
For me, an all-core 3.7 was candy. Barely over stock voltage and the temps even with the Wraith Spire are low...if you can believe the sensors anyway.


Yup as UT says 1700 temp sensors are reasonably accurate.
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Re: Ryzen to the occasion

Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:17 am

Forgot about this thingy
https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/ryzen-master
I guess I'll try it. Will probably reset to default when not playing high end games though.
edit: recent Win10 installs won't accept the driver :lol:
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Re: Ryzen to the occasion

Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:46 pm

My opinion so far on Ryzen 1800X versus i5 6600K... I came from an i5 6600K on a GA Z170 HD3 board which I ran 24/7 at 4.2 GHz with RAM at 2666/timings 15 15 15 30. Suicide runs in 3DMark were done at 4.5 GHz and RAM at 2800 (timings identical). RAM at 3000 proved unstable.

I run my 1800X on a GA AB350 Gaming at 3.92 GHz for 24/7 usage and 4.05 for 3DMark suicide runs. RAM (4x8G DIMMs) is too unstable at 2666 for me at any timings so for now I'm sticking to 2400/timings 14 14 14 14 30 (default for my kit is 17 17 17 17 39 BTW).

My only complaint is the variance of Combined Score results in 3DMark Firestrike. I've seen it as low as 5300 and as high as 6605, even if identical settings were used. My i5 on the other hand consistently scored around 9200.

Other than that, in games (I mostly play Witcher 3, Watch Dogs 2, Crysis 3, The Old Republic, WoW and StarCraft II) the experience is identical between them... Except in Witcher 3 and Watch Dogs 2 which seem notably smoother on the Ryzen CPU.

Standard office/desktop apps feel the same between the two.

In conclusion, I thought for sure the i5 6600K OC I had would prove better in normal desktop usage but so far it's pretty much a wash. Considering where AMD was with Bulldozer, Ryzen is all sorts of a winner.
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