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Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:23 am

After seven years of loyal service, it's time for old Bloomfield (i7-930 @ 2.8GHz) to go to the great motherboard in the sky. I'm really fired up by Ryzen's arrival and bang for buck factor, so I'm leaning towards either a Ryzen 7 1700X or Ryzen 5 1600X.

Parts I'm Keeping
Case: Corsair 500R
Monitor: Dell UltraSharp 2415
SSD: Corsair Force GT 480GB
HDD: WD 1TB
Sound Card: Asus Xonar DSX
GPU: GeForce GTX 960 4GB
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master D92 (as soon as they release the AM4 bracket for it)
Mouse: Logitech G303
Keyboard: Logitech G710+
Headset: Logitech G430

Proposed Upgrades
CPU: Ryzen 5 1600X
Motherboard: MSI X370 XPower Gaming Titanium
RAM: 16GB G.Skill TridentZ @ 3200MHz (14-14-14-34)
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 7200RPM
Power Supply: Seasonic Flagship Prime Titanium 750W

Subtotal: $999.86

Overall, I'm pretty pleased with the proposed upgrades; I simply wonder if it's worth spending an extra $150 up front and jumping up to the Ryzen 1700X for the extra core and threads.
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:30 am

It's more than $150 because you'll have to buy a cooler, too. You can get by on something cheap like a Hyper T4, but the 1700X does not include a cooler.

Unless you foresee a reason that you'd go multi-GPU in the future, I'd get a decently-built B350 chipset instead of a $300 motherboard. Maybe an ASUS Prime B350 Plus or a Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3. And then you're not spending any extra on a Ryzen 7. You're not going to find many/any extra clocks for overclocking in a 1700X anyway.
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:31 am

Depends on your workload - unless you have something you know you'll need more cores/threads for, I'd probably save the $150 for a future GPU upgrade or something similar.

Agreed on the motherboard as well - that's a lot of coin for a board that's fairly functionally similar to a lot of the 50% cheaper boards.
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:40 am

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Unless you foresee a reason that you'd go multi-GPU in the future, I'd get a decently-built B350 chipset instead of a $300 motherboard.

No kidding. There are really nice X370 mobos for half that price.
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:20 pm

If you want another 7 year processor, spend the money and get the 1700X. Save the money from going a step down on the motherboard and the PSU. 750W is a lot for a system with just a 960. 600 watt gold or titanium should be just fine.
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:22 pm

I'm struggling to understand why you wouldn't get a 1700-non-X. It's not as if R7's clock any differently, and you'd get an acceptable cooler in the bargain.
 
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:26 pm

OptimumSlinky wrote:
After seven years of loyal service, it's time for old Bloomfield (i7-930 @ 2.8GHz) to go to the great motherboard in the sky. I'm really fired up by Ryzen's arrival and bang for buck factor, so I'm leaning towards either a Ryzen 7 1700X or Ryzen 5 1600X.

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Proposed Upgrades
CPU: Ryzen 5 1600X
Motherboard: MSI X370 XPower Gaming Titanium
RAM: 16GB G.Skill TridentZ @ 3200MHz (14-14-14-34)
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 7200RPM
Power Supply: Seasonic Flagship Prime Titanium 750W

Subtotal: $999.86

Overall, I'm pretty pleased with the proposed upgrades; I simply wonder if it's worth spending an extra $150 up front and jumping up to the Ryzen 1700X for the extra core and threads.


I think you are over killing on the PSU and X370 and it's costing you going up a level in the CPU department. You're running an i7-930 like I am, so I suspect you're also hoping for an equally long life span.

CPU - R7-1700 (if you OC) R7-1700X (if you don't)
Mobo - MSI B350 Tomahawk (there are a number of B350 options)
Ram - Paying a premium for low CL that I don't think is worthwhile unless you are chasing the last 100ths of improvements. (RAM appears to be tricky, so I would match motherboard qualified list for RAM)
PSU - I like Seasonic PSUs, but I'd be surprised if you need 750w and 550-650w wouldn't provide ample room.

These aren't necessarily what I would buy, but it's generally how I've been looking at upgrading my own i7-930 @ 3.2ghz.
 
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:48 pm

Same boat, different...err...ocean.

I just upgraded from a i7-950, but I went the Kaby Lake route. I agree with the previous posts that a high quality 550-650 watt psu would work fine and save a enough dollars to step up the cpu. There's no reason these new systems can't last just as long as our trusted Bloomfields. Best of luck and happy building.
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:51 pm

Lots of great feedback... Thank you!

Current PSU is a Corsair CX600 which was purchased out of frustration to replace a piece of garbage ThermalTake PSU that had horrendous coil whine. I've looked at the 650W Seasonic, but given that the extra 100W is only $20 more, it seemed like a logical move. That said, I still have scars from CrossFire and my dual Radeon 5850s, so I doubt I will ever go multi-GPU again. With that in mind, it might be be better to go with 650W. Either way, I want a quality PSU that will last me multiple builds over the better part of the decade.

The main thing about going for the super-premium X370 board is longevity and flexibility; it's a lot easier to upgrade a CPU, GPU, SSD than it is to replace the motherboard. I'd go 1600X with an X370 before I went 1700X and a B350. But, you guys bring up valid points, so I could go with the MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon at $180 or Asus Prime X370 Pro at $160 versus the $300 for the Titanium.

My personal buying style leans toward purchasing the higher end, premium stuff, then keeping it longer. I'm less concerned with the actual cost (value is relative) and more focused on making sure the components are quality this time around.
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:11 pm

I've been debating the B350 vs X370 myself. I'm just not convinced the premium of the X370 will increase longevity. Everything else is identical, PCIe 3.0 lanes, USB 3.1 Gen 2, Overclocking, SATA-Raid, Overclocking.

8 PCIe 2.0 vs 6 PCIe 2.0
6 USB 3.0 vs 2 USB 3.0
4 6GB Sata vs 2 6GB Sata

On the other hand, buying a quality motherboard for reliability I agree with. In the past I've always gone Asus, but from what I've read online it seems they've been dropping the ball recently.
 
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:36 pm

Do you need a new PSU? Rough estimate, but I doubt you'd be past 400watts at full tilt usage with the new build. New stuff, 150w-200w and the old video card looks like it should top out at 150w. I think you have enough headroom to ignore that.

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CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($288.75 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard ($209.00 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($259.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Total: $757.74
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:37 pm

So many features have been integrated into chipsets and CPUs that there isn't as much to differentiate mobos compared to the past. Also, modern CPUs are already pushing themselves to the limit and you're not going to get more than a ~6% OC unless you're a pretty serious enthusiast with pretty expensive cooling. "Paying for reliability" basically means you're buying a mobo from Asus/AsRock/Gigabyte/MSI and you're paying >$80 in my opinion. Everything above that fits into two categories: added features, or extreme overclocking. Don't pay for features you'll never use, and don't pay for a mobo that's designed to eke out the last 100MHz on LN2.
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:23 pm

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600 watt gold or titanium should be just fine.
Or 550W. Or 450W...
 
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:37 pm

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The main thing about going for the super-premium X370 board is longevity and flexibility; it's a lot easier to upgrade a CPU, GPU, SSD than it is to replace the motherboard.

Future-proofing a motherboard has been a fool's errand for at least ten years now. If the socket doesn't get changed in the next major product cycle, the power or firmware requirements might, or some new interconnect standard gets introduced. Buy enough CPU now and a quality (but not necessarily full bells-n-whistles) board, and odds are good you'll run them together to EOL. Case in point: your current system :-)
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:45 pm

ludi wrote:
OptimumSlinky wrote:
The main thing about going for the super-premium X370 board is longevity and flexibility; it's a lot easier to upgrade a CPU, GPU, SSD than it is to replace the motherboard.

Future-proofing a motherboard has been a fool's errand for at least ten years now. If the socket doesn't get changed in the next major product cycle, the power or firmware requirements might, or some new interconnect standard gets introduced. Buy enough CPU now and a quality (but not necessarily full bells-n-whistles) board, and odds are good you'll run them together to EOL. Case in point: your current system :-)

There's no such thing as future proof. That said, the guy explained his preferences and mentioned that he's not too concerned about the budget. No need to beat the horse too hard.
 
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:50 pm

Well it's not like he's upgrading the CPU anyway. He's been sitting on an i7-930. If he's concerned about getting the highest-quality electronics to ensure solid power delivery for 7 years, and if he's not concerned about the price, then I withdraw the question. I wouldn't do it but I have different requirements. :)
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:03 pm

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That said, the guy explained his preferences and mentioned that he's not too concerned about the budget. No need to beat the horse too hard.

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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:04 pm

If I were to keep my current CX600W PSU, then I'm looking at:


Subtotal: $677.99, which ain't bad at all.

EDIT: Damn, RX 480 for $190... https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814125911#close
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:08 pm

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he's not too concerned about the budget. No need to beat the horse too hard.

And yet the OP clearly has a budget in mind, otherwise there'd be a 1800X on that list and not a 1600X. Also sometimes saving some $ here and there can mean upgrade possibilities for other components. Aka, saving some money on the mobo to upgrade to a 1700 or 1700X as mentioned already. Or taking that savings and getting you halfway to a GPU upgrade that offers 2x the performance of the existing GTX960. Or perhaps a nicer monitor. More RAM. Etc etc etc.

Seasonic G 650W for $70? I personally like the EVGA G2/G3 power supplies. 80+ Gold, fully modular, semi-passive fan. Heck if you have time to wait, the Seasonic X 660W goes on sale for $80-90 after MIR twice a year. Since you've got a PSU that works, you can wait for sales.
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:13 pm

Personally, unless you need the 2 additional cores (4 threads), I'd get the 1600x, especially if you don't plan to want to do much OCing, it's clocked really high and it's turbo, all core and XFR are touching the Ryzen clock walls. It is identical to the 1800x, minus 2 cores 4 total threads, for 1/2 the price. Keep in mind that the 1600x, 1700x and 1800x all do not come with a heatsink fan.

If you don't want to throw good money at the situation and spend more than you need, I'd say forget the 1700x and buy up the 1700 as it comes with the Wraith RGB and can easily be overclocked beyond the stock speeds of the 1700x all while saving you $70 that could be put towards a AIO cooler if you so feel inclined.

If you wouldn't miss those 2 additional cores, the 1600x will save you another $80 over the 1700 but at least part if not more than that will need to be spent on a CPU cooler. Still, the 1600x at present with its core count, and it's ability to match (and somehow beat) out the 1800x in games makes it an insanely great value proposition over the similarly priced i5-7600k that is only sporting 4core no Hyper Threading.

If it were me, I'd be going 1600x, hands down. Unless you really want to OC on a stock Wraith cooler (non-RGB) then you could pickup the 1600 (non-X), saving $30 and gaining the heat sink, overclocking it to pretty much the 1600x speeds and losing the X variant XFR levels and power savings/heat by doing static OCing.

Also, the B350 chipset is completely the way to go as you can get a great motherboard that loses none of the quality or features compared to it's big brother the x370. The only downside of going B350 is dual GPU in that some of the PCI-E lanes on the second slot on the B350 gets disabled or reduced heavily if any other PCI-E slots are populated with cards. So if you know FOR SURE you never want to do 2 cards, or you know for sure you'll never put something even as simple as additional USB controllers off of a PCI-E slot and want to do dual GPUs, the B350 is your board. Keep in mind some small difference can also occur with certain brands, for instance Realtek NIC vs Intel NIC between a B350 and X370 respectively. Anyone telling you that an X370 is SOOOOO much more expensive over the B350 hasn't checked out prices. A good B350 runs around $100-$120 USD. The X370 boards run around $150-$200 but there are models popping up in the same range as the B350 for around $130.

As far as power supply, a 600-650w will be plenty enough considering the power sipping nature of today's single card systems and efficacy of the power supplies. While I like the Corsair CX for budget/office builds, I don't buy anything more than the CX500 series. If I'm going North of 500w it's going to be the newer RMi series or HXi if really high end. Seasonic is also excellent and I've been told EVGA although I've only used their 500w units in office builds, no issues yet. I've personally got a 750w Seasonic Gold rated PSU I bought awhile back for an amazing price sitting and waiting for a Ryzen build. Also know that you will lose efficiency with a PSU if you for instance run it at 30% of load all of the time vs say 60-70%. There is also a point where it loses a lot of efficiency is being stressed up in the 90% +. Those numbers are completely arbitrary since each PSU is a bit different depending on it's components. It's why I laugh when I see these guys buying "Alienware" type computers with 1200w power supplies and a single graphics card and single SSD.

Best of luck to you in your decision. Keep us up-to-date with your build.

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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:15 pm

What's the advantage of the X370 if you don't plan on multiple video cards? Other than the PCIe lanes I'm wondering what the draw is...
 
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:21 pm

DPete27 wrote:
flip-mode wrote:
he's not too concerned about the budget. No need to beat the horse too hard.

And yet the OP clearly has a budget in mind, otherwise there'd be a 1800X on that list and not a 1600X.


It's not so much that I have a budget in mind per se, but rather I always want to maximize the bang for my buck. I'm perfectly willing to spend $500 for the 1800X, but the 1600X at $250 seems to have almost identical gaming performance, so what's the point in literally spending double for little net gain? I'm willing to spend extra for the 3200MHz RAM because Ryzen as an architecture seems to get a noticeable performance boost from faster RAM.

I'll admit I can be quirky and arbitrary about some of my priorities (I'd rather have an X370 versus the B350 because I like the idea of having the higher tier, enthusiast platform versus the more "mainstream"), but for the most part, I'm think I'm fairly logical.
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:25 pm

My 875K with GTX660 only managed to pull 300W max at the wall/UPS when I am doing both CPU and GPU folding. I don't think you can easily breach 300W total system draw, and that means a 750W PSU will give you less than 50% load, and most of the time when you are idle, the load will be even less. So 750W is slightly overkill.

Unless you really want the 12 year warranty, you can get a "lesser" 7-year one.
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:39 pm

OptimumSlinky wrote:
DPete27 wrote:
flip-mode wrote:
he's not too concerned about the budget. No need to beat the horse too hard.

And yet the OP clearly has a budget in mind, otherwise there'd be a 1800X on that list and not a 1600X.


It's not so much that I have a budget in mind per se, but rather I always want to maximize the bang for my buck. I'm perfectly willing to spend $500 for the 1800X, but the 1600X at $250 seems to have almost identical gaming performance, so what's the point in literally spending double for little net gain? I'm willing to spend extra for the 3200MHz RAM because Ryzen as an architecture seems to get a noticeable performance boost from faster RAM.

I'll admit I can be quirky and arbitrary about some of my priorities (I'd rather have an X370 versus the B350 because I like the idea of having the higher tier, enthusiast platform versus the more "mainstream"), but for the most part, I'm think I'm fairly logical.


You are being fairly logical. In theory, an X370 premium board should also be more reliable and not have cheaped out on parts/cut corners, just don't know if that's the case anymore. There are some reasonable priced X370 boards if you get away from the OMGWTFGAMERBOARDLEDBLING factor. Bang for buck does seem to be R5-1600X, with a high end B350/low end X370 and 3200mhz RAM. I don't see a need for replacement PSU unless you don't like yours or doesn't have the plugs you need.

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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:28 pm

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What's the advantage of the X370 if you don't plan on multiple video cards? Other than the PCIe lanes I'm wondering what the draw is...


At least for me, the extra PCIe lanes is exactly why I would go with an X370 over the B series. Extra lanes = extra NVME drives down the line. I'm already at the point where I'll never buy another SATA SSD, simply because they're outclassed. Will I notice the difference? Maybe not, but why limit yourself to SATA3 when you can use PCIe, especially in another year or two when we start getting huge 1tb-2tb drives with x8 lanes. NVMe is going to be nipping at the heels of RAM, just like Optane now seems too little, too late with the latest Samsung 960 series.
 
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:34 pm

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Vhalidictes wrote:
What's the advantage of the X370 if you don't plan on multiple video cards? Other than the PCIe lanes I'm wondering what the draw is...


At least for me, the extra PCIe lanes is exactly why I would go with an X370 over the B series. Extra lanes = extra NVME drives down the line. I'm already at the point where I'll never buy another SATA SSD, simply because they're outclassed. Will I notice the difference? Maybe not, but why limit yourself to SATA3 when you can use PCIe, especially in another year or two when we start getting huge 1tb-2tb drives with x8 lanes. NVMe is going to be nipping at the heels of RAM, just like Optane now seems too little, too late with the latest Samsung 960 series.

I find a flaw in this argument. Looking at the MSI Titanium board that the OP listed, the 3rd x16 PCIe slot is actual x4 only. The other 2 slots are designed for graphics, either x16/0 or x8/x8. M.2 as I have read so far only goes up to x4. Meaning x8 drives will have to come on PCIe cards. The e-peen in you would want to drop to x8 for the graphics card? Or may be if the 2nd slot is not a graphics card it does not even work at all?

This tells me that by the time x8 NVMe drives come around, we will be doing another round of motherboard upgrades anyway. So what's the point of spending 300 bucks for something that you may not even be able to utlize?
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:43 pm

Assuming that you really need two M.2 slots, there are other ways to go about it than spending $300 on a motherboard. You could spend $180 on a motherboard, instead. You could even spend $170 on a motherboard then add as many M.2 ports as you need later.
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:07 pm

OptimumSlinky wrote:



-as others have said, it depends on your workload, but if it's gaming then I'd probably restructure my entire build around a more powerful video card (more money there, less elsewhere if needed).

..and would probably wait until Vega's arrival to see if that factors-in.
 
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:28 am

ludi wrote:
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:lol: That's why I didn't say "beat a dead horse".
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Re: Bye, Bloomfield: First Big PC Overhaul

Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:42 am

OptimumSlinky wrote:

If you're in the US, you can get the 8GB versions of the RX480 for $190 or less these days. Just FYI.
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