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New Ryzen build in a Fractal Nano S

Wed May 17, 2017 1:52 am

It's been almost six years since I last built a new system with help from the TR forum, but thanks to the generosity of the Tech Report and Fractal, I'm picking up a new Fractal Design Nano S. I honestly don't need a new system since wife + baby + townhome have removed all time and incentives for A-list computer gaming, and the existing i5-2500K box (no overclock) is still running great with an MSI 460GTX Cyclone (don't laugh) that was a TR photography contest prize, I dunno, seven years ago?

The timing of this prize is particularly good since AMD finally released a CPU series worth buying. Not planning to replace the i5, but we do have a Dell Optiplex 780 (Win10/C2Q 9450) running as our HTPC at the moment, and I wouldn't mind updating...just because. Newegg has a combo deal on the Ryzen 5 1400 with an MSI B350M mATX and 2x8GB of G.SKILL RAM for $334. I have a spare PSU and would move the existing drives over to the new system.

Any thoughts or suggestions? We have a 10mo baby in this house and bulk diaper purchases are a regular event, I can only do this by using onboard graphics and keeping the total price as low as possible. Cool and quiet are high priorities, given the HTPC application. I don't need fast, but if I do this, I want to see how the cheapest Ryzen compares to the hardware I'm already using.
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Re: New Ryzen build in a Fractal Nano S

Wed May 17, 2017 2:06 am

What onboard graphics?
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Re: New Ryzen build in a Fractal Nano S

Wed May 17, 2017 3:03 am

Yup, Ryzen has no onboard graphics. The Zen APUs aren't coming out until end of this year/start of next year, I'm afraid!

If you just want a HTPC box, you could always get a Kaby Lake i3, something like the i3-7100. Or the Pentium G4620, if you don't mind the weaker integrated graphics- the new Pentiums have Hyperthreading, so CPU-wise they're almost as good as the i3s.
 
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Re: New Ryzen build in a Fractal Nano S

Wed May 17, 2017 4:52 am

That micro-ATX motherboard isn't going to fit into the mini-ITX Define Nano S case. The only mini-ITX socket AM4 motherboards currently available are from BioStar.
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Re: New Ryzen build in a Fractal Nano S

Wed May 17, 2017 6:45 am

You could just throw a AMD Rx9 460 in the new build which should be good enough for HTPC duties.
 
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Re: New Ryzen build in a Fractal Nano S

Wed May 17, 2017 7:15 am

Your ITX pickings are slim at the moment. I have a feeling that will change when they come out with their APU (which has onboard graphics). Unfortunately that's a few months away. If you wait for the APU I'd be interested in the performance difference of your systems.

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Re: New Ryzen build in a Fractal Nano S

Wed May 17, 2017 10:38 am

Hmm...so I may be holding onto the case for a couple months until the selection thickens up a bit.
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Re: New Ryzen build in a Fractal Nano S

Wed May 17, 2017 11:17 am

Gigabyte and ASRock are rumored to be working on ITX boards for Ryzen also, but the details are slim at the moment, so yeah... If a Ryzen upgrade is the plan for the new case it's probably best you hang to it for a bit.
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Re: New Ryzen build in a Fractal Nano S

Wed May 17, 2017 8:42 pm

Starting with a blank slate, I might choose something like the Grandia GD05 and a micro-ATX motherboard for an HTPC. How does this look for a first pass at fitting a socket-AM4 system into the Define Nano S?

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HDD: 6 TB Western Digital 3½" 5400RPM ($196 @ Amazon)
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Re: New Ryzen build in a Fractal Nano S

Thu May 18, 2017 8:07 am

Are Biostar boards passable again? I went through a phase in the early noughties of getting stung by Biostar's low quality control. They practically disappeared from the UK market back then, too - indiciating that it wasn't just me returning a large percentage of faulty boards....

They've been practically nonexistent this side of The Pond for almost a decade, until a couple of years ago when they seemed to resurface. Competition at the low end is good, but "once bitten, twice shy" means they need to earn my trust back.
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Re: New Ryzen build in a Fractal Nano S

Thu May 18, 2017 11:10 am

I've looked longingly at that SilverStone case in times past, but such niceties are not in the budget anymore.
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Re: New Ryzen build in a Fractal Nano S

Thu May 18, 2017 11:13 am

Chrispy_ wrote:
Are Biostar boards passable again? I went through a phase in the early noughties of getting stung by Biostar's low quality control. They practically disappeared from the UK market back then, too - indiciating that it wasn't just me returning a large percentage of faulty boards....

They've been practically nonexistent this side of The Pond for almost a decade, until a couple of years ago when they seemed to resurface. Competition at the low end is good, but "once bitten, twice shy" means they need to earn my trust back.


I've been using Biostar boards for the last five years, and no problems so far. That said, they've all been cheap 1150 boards, which tend to have very few problems to start with.

I'd probably trust Asrock more if you can find a board from that brand.

ASUS is still the gold standard... but I've had far, far too many USB/Audio/Network problems crop up after 5 years and their support is basically "get another motherboard". Email only, and return shipping to Taiwan on my own dime? No thanks, not paying the ASUS tax for that.
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Re: New Ryzen build in a Fractal Nano S

Thu May 18, 2017 3:27 pm

Undeniably, BioStar is making the best mini-ITX socket AM4 motherboard that you can buy today. They are also making what is certainly the worst mini-ITX socket AM4 motherboard on the market. I do not know which of their two mini-ITX socket AM4 models occupies which position. :-?
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Re: New Ryzen build in a Fractal Nano S

Thu May 18, 2017 6:31 pm

Heh, for that matter they're simultaneously making the best AND the worst mATX AM4 board that uses the X370 chipset in the GT3 - why has nobody else released one?
 
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Re: New Ryzen build in a Fractal Nano S

Thu May 18, 2017 10:45 pm

The stupid thing doesn't have onboard graphics.
So a 4C/8T Ryzen is beaten in IPC and overclockability by a 7700k AND the 7700k has onboard video,......

PLUS no one seems to give a damn about ITX in the AMD camp, I don't want some gimped out 'basic' X300 chip, I want full features.

The whole thing is a shambles, if you care for ITX, I suggest (at this point in time) you avoid Ryzen.
 
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Re: New Ryzen build in a Fractal Nano S

Thu May 18, 2017 11:35 pm

The mITX boards we've got have the full chipset, and the planned ASRock and Gigabyte boards are strongly rumored to also. I'd phrase it as "if you want a mITX system with onboard graphics, Ryzen is going to take a while getting there and won't have such high-performance options as Intel." That's all true, but it seems like every day I show up here I see you ranting about it and adding on a more general "they don't work for my use case, therefore they suck." It's getting old.

To counterpoint all that, I'm looking for SFF stuff with 6-8C and a dGPU, and I'm in no particular hurry. Knowing how ASRock does this stuff, the mITX board they're planning to release next month is probably going to be perfect for me. From that angle, the main point of Intel/AMD comparison here is just whether I'm looking for more single-threaded ability or more total ability across all cores. I care more about the latter, so AMD it is. Coffee lake at 6C might be superior in absolute terms, but is probably going to cost more than a 1700, and my budget is such that I might have to drop to a 1600 anyway. Either way, this is going to be a beast.

The only thing I can find that's rant-worthy here is how AMD apparently didn't give the mobo vendors enough time to sort things out before launch (which has some cascading effects). If you're an early adopter who needs that new system yesterday, then that's a big problem, but relatively few people fit that description.
 
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Re: New Ryzen build in a Fractal Nano S

Fri May 19, 2017 12:24 am

Myself, I'm willing to wait and see how the options shake out. The case probably won't even arrive for a couple more weeks, and as mentioned in my OP, we don't need another PC, I just want to see first-hand how Ryzen compares to the various Intel kit I've been using for the past six years after being nearly all-AMD for a decade prior. Once I'm done tinkering, it goes to HTPC duty.
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Re: New Ryzen build in a Fractal Nano S

Fri May 19, 2017 2:49 pm

IMO, one of the Kaby Lake 2c/4t Pentiums are the best choice for an HTPC machine at this time if you're using a dGPU. AND there are
multiple mITX motherboards to pick from.

I considered updating my HTPC with a Kaby Lake Pentium, but I'm waiting to see what the Raven Ridge APUs look like. I'd strongly consider updating if they're decent. Having AMD drivers for HTPC and light gaming is a big pro (over Intel IGP). I don't need dGPU power in my HTPC, so....APU!!
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