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DancinJack wrote:First things first. Budget? A few more questions will follow.
Have any interest in mATX? What case are you using, or do you plan to buy a new one?
Is this computer mostly gaming and web browsing? Doing any video/photo editing/encoding?
Let's start there.
whm1974 wrote:Have you took a look at ASRock motherboards? I built mine and dad's rigs using them and never had a problem.
The Egg wrote:I too have been tempted to jump on Coffee Lake (also running a 2500k), but I think it's still too early. Even Microcenter only *just* dropped the 8600k down to $299, after keeping at full-blown $349 for some time (even $299 is still over $100 more than they usually charge for an i5 K-series). I would wait until the new assembly site improves supply a bit.
I'm personally going to save for a new GPU and 32" adaptive sync 1440p monitor first, and keep running the 2500k until.....probably Icy Lake.
allreadydead wrote:whm1974 wrote:Have you took a look at ASRock motherboards? I built mine and dad's rigs using them and never had a problem.
failed to multi-quote in previous post. I'll do in thisASRock is a very good value product as far as I experienced. If you push it however, it does not behave like premium mainboards. I see traces of good ol' ABIT in ASRock but they need some premium components to compete on high-end.
Wren wrote:Intel is apparently introducing Z390 and mainstream 8C/16T processors next year sometime. Also Ryzen 2000 series is expected to hit around February-ish, which may have an effect on the prices of Coffee Lake as it stands. I recently bought an I3-8350K and relatively low-cost Asrock Z370 motherboard and I plan to upgrade to an 8700K when (hopefully) the prices get lowered due to Ryzen 2000.
8700K and 8600K are really expensive at the moment (especially in here in the UK) and even I think a little too much at MSRP. Hopefully AMD can counter it with a competitive Ryzen 7 2700 part costing less than 8700K and hopefully on 12nm overclocks high enough to beat it universally.
michael_d wrote:I am in the same boat. I still have Nehalem. It is almost 8 years old. I only upgrade video card every 2 years. If you had waited for so long you might want to wait until Z390 in 2018 H2 and either Cannon or Ice Lake
I have a Gigabyte Aorus 1080Ti video card. I am very pleased with it. I expect motherboards to be just as good. I would not say that it is more durable and stable than Asus or vice versa. All brands suffer from failures.
I would consider 32GB of RAM because many titles now recommend 16GB.
just brew it! wrote:allreadydead wrote:whm1974 wrote:Have you took a look at ASRock motherboards? I built mine and dad's rigs using them and never had a problem.
failed to multi-quote in previous post. I'll do in thisASRock is a very good value product as far as I experienced. If you push it however, it does not behave like premium mainboards. I see traces of good ol' ABIT in ASRock but they need some premium components to compete on high-end.
I've used a couple of ASRocks, one of them had some DRAM stability issues at stock clocks and timings, which did not impress. But I've occasionally seen that issue with other boards (even "premium" ones) from other vendors too, so I'm not going to dock them a lot of points for it.
I generally still prefer Asus though; they have rarely let me down. (I also remain quite impressed with my Asus M3A78-CM; exceptional stability, excellent onboard audio for its day, and kept receiving CPU compatibility BIOS updates all the way up until the hex core Phenom II chips came out. It served as my primary desktop for several years, and remains in service to this day as my file server... we're coming up on 10 years of service. Not bad for a board that was just barely above budget tier.)
allreadydead wrote:On golden overclocking era of AMD processors, I saw a MSI mobos capacitor pop while trying to overclock the CPU.
MJZ82 wrote:There's always something new and better around the corner, but I decided to splurge a bit and get an i7 8700k. FWIW, my thinking is to get 16GB of fast RAM, and perhaps in a year or two if that seems it isn't cutting it, I can add more and hopefully prices will come down by then
MJZ82 wrote:So just venting a bit... since my doorstep is highly visible, I chose to have Amazon deliver my new CPU to their locker service. After a 'missed delivery' and a few more days' waiting, I received a refund notice from Amazon with no explanation. Perhaps the locker was full and they didn't want to hold on to the package (being delivered via Amazon's own delivery service). So I've now had to start with an entirely new order and am waiting once again for it to ship.
allreadydead wrote:Ok, KitGuru gave the information.. But honestly, it wasnt THE information I was looking for :\
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czRO7R_KWA0
And this
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/60100/am ... index.html
He is basicly sayingI'm back playing Warhammer Online which is on a private server now and called Return of the Reckoning. It's not a demanding game as AAA FPS games so I'll wait and see what AMD will offer with Ryzen 2 and what Intel is planning with 390 if it ever exists. Meanwhile, I'll keep on an eye on deals
- 5 GHz 12/24 AMD Ryzen 2 CPU's are coming. And according to that leak, it will be same prices
- New Ryzen will fit old mobos but it wont work ?? same socket as promised but requires new mobo..
- Canondale is no good according to Intel. Because 14++++++++++ process is sooooooooooo good, first gen 10nm cannot keep up even with die shrink advantages.
- Canondale is not only not-so-good, it will be launched end of 18.. which is basicly a year from now
- And the horror, 390 chipset is coming to support 8 core Coffeelake or whateverlake it is.
whm1974 wrote:if however you can get a good price on a i7-8700 and board, GO FOR IT!!!
Chrispy_ wrote:whm1974 wrote:if however you can get a good price on a i7-8700 and board, GO FOR IT!!!
That's probably not going to happen until Q2 2018.
The vanilla 8700 has been perpetually out of stock everywhere and the 8700K has been hovering just under $500 since launch. Add a cooler, add a board, hope for a discount and you're still looking at $600 ballpark figure.
If I can get an 6C/12T 4.5GHz Zen+ Ryzen5 in April next year for ~$250 there's no way in hell I want to pay Intel and the price-gougers over the odds. My Haswell can last me just fine with its DDR3 until then. Hell, at today's ridiculous DRAM prices just to match my current workstation (4790 + 32GB DDR3) I'd need to pay over a grand. For what, maybe 30% improvement?
allreadydead wrote:Ok, KitGuru gave the information.. But honestly, it wasnt THE information I was looking for :\
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czRO7R_KWA0
And this
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/60100/am ... index.html
He is basicly sayingI'm back playing Warhammer Online which is on a private server now and called Return of the Reckoning. It's not a demanding game as AAA FPS games so I'll wait and see what AMD will offer with Ryzen 2 and what Intel is planning with 390 if it ever exists. Meanwhile, I'll keep on an eye on deals
- 5 GHz 12/24 AMD Ryzen 2 CPU's are coming. And according to that leak, it will be same prices
- New Ryzen will fit old mobos but it wont work ?? same socket as promised but requires new mobo..
- Canondale is no good according to Intel. Because 14++++++++++ process is sooooooooooo good, first gen 10nm cannot keep up even with die shrink advantages.
- Canondale is not only not-so-good, it will be launched end of 18.. which is basicly a year from now
- And the horror, 390 chipset is coming to support 8 core Coffeelake or whateverlake it is.
jihadjoe wrote:allreadydead wrote:Ok, KitGuru gave the information.. But honestly, it wasnt THE information I was looking for :\
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czRO7R_KWA0
And this
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/60100/am ... index.html
He is basicly sayingI'm back playing Warhammer Online which is on a private server now and called Return of the Reckoning. It's not a demanding game as AAA FPS games so I'll wait and see what AMD will offer with Ryzen 2 and what Intel is planning with 390 if it ever exists. Meanwhile, I'll keep on an eye on deals
- 5 GHz 12/24 AMD Ryzen 2 CPU's are coming. And according to that leak, it will be same prices
- New Ryzen will fit old mobos but it wont work ?? same socket as promised but requires new mobo..
- Canondale is no good according to Intel. Because 14++++++++++ process is sooooooooooo good, first gen 10nm cannot keep up even with die shrink advantages.
- Canondale is not only not-so-good, it will be launched end of 18.. which is basicly a year from now
- And the horror, 390 chipset is coming to support 8 core Coffeelake or whateverlake it is.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7 ... oke_slide/
Chrispy_ wrote:The vanilla 8700 has been perpetually out of stock everywhere and the 8700K has been hovering just under $500 since launch. Add a cooler, add a board, hope for a discount and you're still looking at $600 ballpark figure.