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FreeNAS I̶n̶t̶e̶l̶ ̶8̶0̶8̶6̶k̶ AMD Threadripper upgrade!

Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:07 pm

So the wife won the Intel 8086K anniversary contest and also proceeded to win the 1950X exchange contest that AMD was running simultaneously.

Yes, she's my luck dragon.

She also said she didn't care about upgrading her rig (4770k delidded, water cooled, SLI 770s, lots of SSDs). I don't see TR as an upgrade for gaming for my desktop, so into the NAS it's going to go. IT ARRIVED TODAY.

Threadripper! https://photos.app.goo.gl/4ej8JDkAjCoaBXDY9
Another beauty shot...https://photos.app.goo.gl/r7vkeLMj6ioYHAp16
Jesus. This is a big heatspreader. https://photos.app.goo.gl/taPM381bsqX2gWbE8
Dem pins! https://photos.app.goo.gl/MUHzfNhSEAyFAMzt9

I have to say, the packaging really does the job. It's freakin' awesome.

So, since this is going into the NAS (4K transcoding here we come!) I proceeded to start the search for motherboards that actually enable ECC for Threadripper. ASRock is high up on that list, and I have some hope that going forward Aquantia will create BSD drivers for their 10G chipsets.

The ASRock Fatal1ty X399 Professional Gaming ended up being at the top of my list and Newegg has a $40 rebate to bring it down to $350 shipped. Arctic Cooling apparently decided to make something special for TR with the Freezer 33 TR. It's under $30 and easily supports better fans (I plan to run a pair of Corsair high pressure fans in push/pull). Given that the server sits in our boiler room in the basement noise isn't really a concern, but the tower fits in my 4U 20-bay case with a little room to spare.

For RAM I don't really have a need for lots of random IO (it's a media server), so I basically went down the route of the minimum amount I could buy at good cost/bit and still get maximum memory bandwidth. Four 8 GB sticks of Kingston ValueRAM DDR4-2400 Unbuffered ECC did the trick, and I can expand to 64 GB if need be down the road (or add bigger sticks, EPYC/Threadripper seem to be pretty flexible for mixed size sticks).

All of that will combine with the existing pair of LSI 6 Gbps SAS controllers (Dell Perc H200 flashed to LSI IT firmware), triple mirror USB boot drives, single Seasonic Platinum PSU (yes, weak point), and Norco RPC-4020 case.

Bad picture, but you get the idea: https://photos.app.goo.gl/2rYVLkZKKiRL4x896

This drives a pair of ZFS pools. One is built with 2 TB drives of various descent (Charon), the other is built with 8 TB Seagate Barracuda Compute SMR drives (Discovery).
[root@enterprise ~]# zpool list                                                                                                     
NAME           SIZE  ALLOC   FREE  EXPANDSZ   FRAG    CAP  DEDUP  HEALTH  ALTROOT                                                   
Charon        7.25T  4.40T  2.85T         -    13%    60%  1.13x  ONLINE  /mnt                                                     
Discovery     50.5T  22.4T  28.1T         -     0%    44%  1.00x  ONLINE  /mnt     


[root@enterprise ~]# zpool status Charon                                                                                            
  pool: Charon                                                                                                                     
 state: ONLINE                                                                                                                     
  scan: scrub repaired 0 in 0 days 03:39:32 with 0 errors on Sun Aug 26 03:39:35 2018                                               
config:                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                   
        NAME                                            STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM                                                 
        Charon                                          ONLINE       0     0     0                                                 
          mirror-0                                      ONLINE       0     0     0                                                 
            gptid/6b50be58-887c-11e8-b8bd-bc5ff4cb2c8d  ONLINE       0     0     0                                                 
            gptid/6dd65049-887c-11e8-b8bd-bc5ff4cb2c8d  ONLINE       0     0     0                                                 
          mirror-1                                      ONLINE       0     0     0                                                 
            gptid/720a0872-887c-11e8-b8bd-bc5ff4cb2c8d  ONLINE       0     0     0                                                 
            gptid/744d9f51-887c-11e8-b8bd-bc5ff4cb2c8d  ONLINE       0     0     0                                                 
          mirror-2                                      ONLINE       0     0     0                                                 
            gptid/77df8a3c-887c-11e8-b8bd-bc5ff4cb2c8d  ONLINE       0     0     0                                                 
            gptid/7aae716d-887c-11e8-b8bd-bc5ff4cb2c8d  ONLINE       0     0     0                                                 
          mirror-3                                      ONLINE       0     0     0                                                 
            gptid/7d26ce17-887c-11e8-b8bd-bc5ff4cb2c8d  ONLINE       0     0     0                                                 
            gptid/7e6085e8-887c-11e8-b8bd-bc5ff4cb2c8d  ONLINE       0     0     0                                                 
        spares                                                                                                                     
          gptid/804df4a2-887c-11e8-b8bd-bc5ff4cb2c8d    AVAIL                                                                       
                                                                                                                                   
errors: No known data errors


[root@enterprise ~]# zpool status Discovery                                                                                         
  pool: Discovery                                                                                                                   
 state: ONLINE                                                                                                                     
  scan: scrub repaired 0 in 0 days 06:18:43 with 0 errors on Sun Aug 26 06:18:44 2018                                               
config:                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                   
        NAME                                            STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM                                                 
        Discovery                                       ONLINE       0     0     0                                                 
          raidz2-0                                      ONLINE       0     0     0                                                 
            gptid/ad4f1fd0-86ff-11e8-a879-bc5ff4cb2c8d  ONLINE       0     0     0                                                 
            gptid/ae2a63b0-86ff-11e8-a879-bc5ff4cb2c8d  ONLINE       0     0     0                                                 
            gptid/af0b96ff-86ff-11e8-a879-bc5ff4cb2c8d  ONLINE       0     0     0                                                 
            gptid/affb0b58-86ff-11e8-a879-bc5ff4cb2c8d  ONLINE       0     0     0                                                 
            gptid/b1120fd2-86ff-11e8-a879-bc5ff4cb2c8d  ONLINE       0     0     0                                                 
            gptid/b2244059-86ff-11e8-a879-bc5ff4cb2c8d  ONLINE       0     0     0                                                 
            gptid/b339b23d-86ff-11e8-a879-bc5ff4cb2c8d  ONLINE       0     0     0                                                 
                                                                                                                                   
errors: No known data errors


This is all backed by a few 6 and 10 TB Seagate Enterprise Capacity drives that get synced every few weeks and stuck into the safe. I'd love to back it up online somewhere but I only have ~12 Mbps upload, so the initial sync would take a year or so assuming I never used upload bandwidth for anything else.

The primary use case is Plex serving from Discovery. Charon hosts our home security camera dumps (motion detect IP cams, run through iSpy on our HTPC), backups of local systems, and write-intensive workloads.

All of this is run off a pair of battery powered UPS bricks - one powers the server itself, the other powers our router and modem. If the power goes out we can still stream locally, likely have Internet access, and can shut down gracefully after 30-40 minutes depending on load.

I'll add updates as parts come in - I just ordered them today so hopefully I'll have things up and running in the next week or so. :)
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Re: FreeNAS I̶n̶t̶e̶l̶ ̶8̶0̶8̶6̶k̶ AMD Threadripper upgrade!

Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:20 pm

You lucky SOB!

Also, awesome!
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Re: FreeNAS I̶n̶t̶e̶l̶ ̶8̶0̶8̶6̶k̶ AMD Threadripper upgrade!

Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:54 am

Honestly, you go through setting up all that and then you put in on a wooden shelf instead of a rack :roll:

Seriously though, that's awesome!
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Re: FreeNAS I̶n̶t̶e̶l̶ ̶8̶0̶8̶6̶k̶ AMD Threadripper upgrade!

Thu Sep 06, 2018 11:46 am

cheesyking wrote:
Honestly, you go through setting up all that and then you put in on a wooden shelf instead of a rack :roll:

The WAF for a half or quarter rack was lower than the WAF for a server upgrade. :)
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Re: FreeNAS I̶n̶t̶e̶l̶ ̶8̶0̶8̶6̶k̶ AMD Threadripper upgrade!

Thu Sep 06, 2018 2:38 pm

Posting to follow- actually planning to use BTRFS and extensions for the purpose of more flexibility in place of ZFS, but otherwise embarking on a similar project myself :).
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Re: FreeNAS I̶n̶t̶e̶l̶ ̶8̶0̶8̶6̶k̶ AMD Threadripper upgrade!

Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:41 pm

Parts are here! I'll spend more time composing something once Hurricane Florence has passed (or maybe before to distract myself from my family being idiots and not evac'ing).

I got it booted in the mobo box with an old GTX 770 for video. 32 GB of ECC validated with memtest for 8 hours so far. I figure that's probably good as an initial test.

I am annoyed that the CPU temp sensor reports 27 C higher than the actual die temperature. I nearly ripped the cooler off to lap it when I saw the initial temps just sitting in the BIOS. I booted up an Ubuntu live USB image just to poke around and was reminded how much I absolutely hate Ubuntu, but at least I was able to confirm that all the onboard hardware was working properly (except the 10G Aquantia interface, I don't intend on using it till FreeNAS supports it anyway).

I apologize in advance for crappy cell phone pictures - I don't pay much attention to professional-type shots now that neither of us are hardware reviewers. :P
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Re: FreeNAS I̶n̶t̶e̶l̶ ̶8̶0̶8̶6̶k̶ AMD Threadripper upgrade!

Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:47 pm

When and where was that? (You know what I'm talking about - the part right before the smiley face :) )
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Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:43 pm

We used to do reviews for OverClockersClub.com from 2010 through late 2016. Nothing particularly fancy, but it was a good way to spend time with new hardware. Writing the reviews was a huge time-sink and we also were told we couldn't do reviews any more once we started to control funding/purchasing at our current jobs (conflict of interest) so we had to let them go.
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Re: FreeNAS I̶n̶t̶e̶l̶ ̶8̶0̶8̶6̶k̶ AMD Threadripper upgrade!

Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:52 pm

Sigh, of course it isn't as easy as a simple swap. If I install my LSI SAS cards, the server either doesn't boot (hangs on a SAS card reset) or boots and crashes with any real IO.

Further, ASRock boards seem to not boot if you don't have a GPU installed. Seriously? I didn't notice when testing because I had a GPU installed temporarily. There doesn't seem to be a way to disable hanging on boot without a GPU installed.

GRRRRRR.

I'm attempting to update to the newest beta to see if it helps. Then I'll have to leave a GTX 470 (ugh, power bill) in the server until I can get a low-power card to keep the UEFI happy.


Bah.
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Re: FreeNAS I̶n̶t̶e̶l̶ ̶8̶0̶8̶6̶k̶ AMD Threadripper upgrade!

Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:26 pm

Full abort. No configuration I could find would make the LSI cards happy in an OS (tried FreeNAS, Ubuntu, and Fedora).

Goddammit.
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Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:41 pm

Your past two posts are probably why a lot of people just use their 8086K (or whatever Intel chip you can think of) instead of this route. :)
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Re: FreeNAS I̶n̶t̶e̶l̶ ̶8̶0̶8̶6̶k̶ AMD Threadripper upgrade!

Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:53 pm

The GPU thing is an ASRock specific problem. The PCIe flipping out with the LSI cards likely is too - I have EPYC machines at work with the same cards and they work fine.

I'm in touch with ASRock support to hopefully resolve it quickly. I wouldn't hate buying PCIe3 SAS cards as a forced upgrade, I'll be testing next week to see if the SAS3008 controller fares better than the SAS2008 controllers.
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Re: FreeNAS I̶n̶t̶e̶l̶ ̶8̶0̶8̶6̶k̶ AMD Threadripper upgrade!

Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:44 am

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Further, ASRock boards seem to not boot if you don't have a GPU installed. Seriously? I didn't notice when testing because I had a GPU installed temporarily. There doesn't seem to be a way to disable hanging on boot without a GPU installed.

Bah.


I have the exact same problem. I run my home server (Kaveri 860K with several TB storage and 32GB RAM) on an Asrock board and I discovered that I can't boot without graphics. This did not bother me so much because I wanted to experiment with GPU compute/deep learning, but now I am a bit annoyed because I would like to move the GPU (a relatively decent AMD 280X) to another system.

I really don't think AsRock is the best choice for a server system. ASUS has confirmed support for ECC and I would chose that instead. To be clear, I don't know if ASUS boots without a GPU, but I think it's more likely. It's also more likely to be compatible with obscure peripherals. Have you looked at other brands?
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Re: FreeNAS I̶n̶t̶e̶l̶ ̶8̶0̶8̶6̶k̶ AMD Threadripper upgrade!

Sun Sep 23, 2018 3:09 am

I remember reading about some people having issues with LSI raid cards working on Asrock motherboards before, so I did a quick search and found this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/co ... er_issues/

There is a BIOS setting listed that may help for some or not like in this thread. Sounds like most ASUS boards work fine however.

This guy seems to have gotten his LSI Raid card partially working: it was an LSI 9201-16i with an Asrock Fatal1ty X399 mobo and 1950x CPU.
but he also wound up replacing the motherboard.
https://forums.servethehome.com/index.p ... 16i.21255/

Personally, I like my X370 Asrock Fata1ity, but it sounds like RAID cards don't like Asrock unfortunately.
 
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Re: FreeNAS I̶n̶t̶e̶l̶ ̶8̶0̶8̶6̶k̶ AMD Threadripper upgrade!

Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:17 am

I thought it was not uncommon for desktop boards to refuse to boot without a GPU?

I know it doesn't help you in this case, but for older motherboards (with a legacy PCI slot) these are a reasonable solution. I have one of them in my current home server. Doesn't add much in terms of power consumption, and even if the motherboard is capable of booting without a GPU, it's good to have a fallback console in case the OS install gets borked to the point where you can't get in over the network.

I also suppose the LSI issue means I need to cross ASRock off my short list; I was considering them for a Ryzen build (to take place at some unspecified point in the future).
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Re: FreeNAS I̶n̶t̶e̶l̶ ̶8̶0̶8̶6̶k̶ AMD Threadripper upgrade!

Sun Sep 23, 2018 3:55 pm

I unfortunately spent most of my time researching different boards ensuring that ECC would function properly. Silly me for assuming headless booting and PCIe compatibility would be easy. :P

I've tried all the tricks I could find in the BIOS, I'm waiting on ASRock to get back to me now. There are a few cheap PCIe GPUs that idle well that I can jump to once I get the LSI cards working.

Normally I'd just return the board and swap it for an ASUS as everyone is suggesting...except I stupidly bought from Newegg and they don't allow returns for this board. I didn't think to check it when purchasing. I should have just used Amazon as my gut told me to since they have a ridiculously good return policy. :(

I'm hoping ASRock support can help me out on this one. I'm tempted to try a PCIe 3.0 LSI card (since I have one in my desktop) to see if it behaves better. If so, that's a way out, just more expensive than I was hoping since I need a pair of them.

EDIT: I'm talking to Newegg to see if I can return the board...
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I unfortunately spent most of my time researching different boards ensuring that ECC would function properly. Silly me for assuming headless booting and PCIe compatibility would be easy. :P

I generally don't assume a board supports headless boot unless it is explicitly aimed at server applications. The PCIe issue would've probably tripped me up too though.

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There are a few cheap PCIe GPUs that idle well that I can jump to once I get the LSI cards working.

I would be interested in seeing your recommendations for this. I prefer passive cooling (since it is one less fan to fail), but these days that generally means the card takes up two slots.
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:22 pm

Man, I hate Newegg. My motherboard (for whatever reason, they couldn't explain it to me) is listed as non-returnable. Apparently that means for any reason. I asked bluntly if I'm stuck with a nearly $400 paperweight, and the rep had the gall to actually reply "yes".

I should have just spend the extra few bucks for the board on Amazon. At least they know how to make exceptions (especially for longstanding accounts, I've had my Newegg account for over 15 years now).

EDIT: On the phone with them, after nearly 40 minutes on the phone I've relayed the issue and they are granting me a store refund without a restocking fee! It's store credit, but at least I can swap the board out with another one. :) I'm still not happy with them, but at least I could waste an hour getting it fixed versus being stuck with the board.

EDIT2: If the new board (whatever it ends up being) has the same problem with booting headless, I'll post up my solution. I don't mind fans so much (since it'll be sitting there doing nothing 99.9999% of the time anyway) and the box sits in the basement so noise isn't a concern. I have enough front->rear airflow to keep a card cool even if the fan dies if it's a reasonable heatsink design, but I'll probably try to find a passive one anyway. Two slots wouldn't be the end of the world, but I'd much prefer one.
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:24 pm

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EDIT2: If the new board (whatever it ends up being) has the same problem with booting headless, I'll post up my solution. I don't mind fans so much (since it'll be sitting there doing nothing 99.9999% of the time anyway) and the box sits in the basement so noise isn't a concern. I have enough front->rear airflow to keep a card cool even if the fan dies if it's a reasonable heatsink design, but I'll probably try to find a passive one anyway. Two slots wouldn't be the end of the world, but I'd much prefer one.

Looks like there are at least a couple of passively cooled single-slot GT 710 cards out there these days:
https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-GeForce-PC ... 01AZ7W76W/
https://www.amazon.com/NVIDIA-GeForce-G ... 07CNH96P7/
This is better than when I was last looking at such things a year or two ago (when all the passively cooled PCIe GPUs were 2-slot).

The inclusion of an analog VGA out may also be a tacit acknowledgement that they expect some of these to be used in datacenter environments with legacy analog KVM management consoles (still more common than you might expect).

Edit: And yes, I've been gravitating to Amazon for most of my online purchases these days, in spite of the fact that I was a Newegg fan going way back, with many thousands of dollars in orders for work and personal use over the years. No, Amazon doesn't always have the lowest price. But whenever I've had an issue with anything I've ordered from them, Amazon has made things right with a minimum of hassle.
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:12 am

It appears there are a few 710s that would work well even in a single slot - which would be great, since it means I can tuck them into the corner of the board.

Assuming my return to Newegg goes well and the new(er) board has the same issue with GPUs, I'll update with what I end up with. Bonus from all this is that X399 prices have dropped so my refund will fund a new board and maybe some other upgrades.
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:57 am

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It appears there are a few 710s that would work well even in a single slot - which would be great, since it means I can tuck them into the corner of the board.

Assuming my return to Newegg goes well and the new(er) board has the same issue with GPUs, I'll update with what I end up with. Bonus from all this is that X399 prices have dropped so my refund will fund a new board and maybe some other upgrades.


If you think there is any chance of actually running some sort of application on the GPU, you could consider a 1030 or even 1050. This of course depends on what you intend to do and whether you like experimentation.
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:07 am

I intend to brute force transcoding with CPU, the GPU would only be for diagnosis if something broke honestly. GPU support in FreeNAS isn't wonderful either.

The 1030s are attractive simply because the idle power is lower, but the cost of entry is essentially double.
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Re: FreeNAS I̶n̶t̶e̶l̶ ̶8̶0̶8̶6̶k̶ AMD Threadripper upgrade!

Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:53 am

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I intend to brute force transcoding with CPU, the GPU would only be for diagnosis if something broke honestly. GPU support in FreeNAS isn't wonderful either.

The 1030s are attractive simply because the idoe power is power, but the cost of entry is essentially double.

I've seen rumblings of Docker instances being able to use Plex GPU decode. You might be able to get it working. Depends on how much you feel like playing around with it.

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