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Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:34 am

Won't be used for gaming, but 4K video editing and photo editing. Appreciate any comments/alternatives in similar price bracket. Thanks :

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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:14 am

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Unless you already own this memory, you should start with two 16 GiB DIMMs instead of four 8 GiB DIMMs. You'll get better performance and have room for future expansion. You should also be looking for PC4-24000 (DDR4-3000) or faster memory with CAS 16 or less. Ryzen really benefits from faster memory.
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:58 am

Also, if you can, try to get an NVMe drive for your OS. The cost difference is negligible but performance can be significant.
 
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:26 am

If I use a 250GB 970 EVO for the OS and a 500GB 970 EVO for the working files, does it make a difference which M.2 slot they connect - either the 1 x 22110 (PCIe 3.0 x4/x2 & SATA) or 1 x 2280 ?

I think I'll take the board to a Gigabyte X470 AORUS Gaming 5 to get the wifi (although I don't need the RGB)

Noted on the RAM - thanks.
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:43 am

Depending on the software used, you may be better off with a Radeon. OpenCL still tends to be better there.
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:15 am

How long are the video clips you are editing? 500GB isn’t very big if you are compositing 20-40 layers of 10-15 minute length at 4K.
 
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:31 am

Most M.2 SSDs are 2280mm.
The XPG SX8200 480GB for $110 is a solid performer at a reasonable price.
The Corsair Force MP510 is a newly released drive that also looks good to me. (review here)
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:34 am

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Depending on the software used, you may be better off with a Radeon. OpenCL still tends to be better there.

I'm not a video editing person, but doesn't VRAM usually help as well with 4K? If so, the 8GB on an RX 580 8GB may help.
 
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:56 am

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TheEmrys wrote:
Depending on the software used, you may be better off with a Radeon. OpenCL still tends to be better there.

I'm not a video editing person, but doesn't VRAM usually help as well with 4K? If so, the 8GB on an RX 580 8GB may help.

Ehhh, it can help with rendering a bit depending on the software, but system RAM is far, far more important than VRAM. 32GB+ for 4K IMO is the starting point.

I'd get bigger SSDs if I were you, but that's just me and I don't know how big the files are you're working with, and your backup/storage solutions after editing.
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:09 am

Yeah, 500GB isn't going to be much for 4K. What do you have for larger storage? Do you have a NAS?
 
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:20 pm

TheEmrys wrote:
Depending on the software used, you may be better off with a Radeon. OpenCL still tends to be better there.


If you're using DaVinci Resolve (which I highly recommend ppl try out - it's free!), then it has CUDA acceleration but no and OpenCL acceleration.

Echo JAE saying go 2x16 GB DIMMs instead of 4x8 GB. Ryzen plays better with 2 DIMMs than 4.

I'm using a 8700K build w Evo 970, 32 GB RAM (2x16 GB DDR4 3200), and a 1080Ti for occasional NLVE (1080p) in Resolve. I was previously using Vega Pro 14, but it's a bit dated and klunky by today's standards.

EDIT: According to Topinio, DaVinci Resolve does indeed have OpenCL acceleration, so apologies for any misinformation.
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:28 pm

+1 for DaVinci Resolve!!
Wish there was a similarly polished free program for photos.

Are you sure no OpenCL for Davinci Resolve? Their eGPU is a Radeon Pro 580. Seems odd that they'd peddle an AMD GPU if their software doesn't include acceleration for it.
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:53 pm

The 970 EVO will probably do as a dump drive/scratch disk buy you're going to be filling it awful fast unless you're using lower-quality realtime hardware encoding to reduce the file sizes. I haven't seen any 'torture' results for a 970 EVO - most of the review sites tend to test its burst performance whilst giving it time to recover between tests. Something like the PM961 or 960Pro might be better for 4K, because you want MLC instead of TLC for longer sustained writes. All drives hide their large sequential write speed dropoff behind an SLC cache, and once that's full things kinda go to hell.

I'd suggest getting two or three 8TB 7200RPM sata drives and throwing them into a local RAID0. The fact they're mechanical won't matter for 4K footage which is the definition of best-case data for those drives. Soft-RAID using the motherboard on two drives will probably net you 300-350MB/s and three drives closer to 500MB/s. They'll keep up those speeds without getting tired like a TLC NAND SSD once the cache runs out.

Don't forget backup. Rule of thumb is that you want to have around half the backup capacity of your main 4K drive, because you're usually using half the main drive as work-in-progress and autosaves.
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:30 pm

You are missing the most important component. What are you using as a display?
 
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:52 pm

I'd roll with JAE's suggestion for memory, and other than switching to a 'Pro' Samsung for scratch, keep the OS on the cheap SATA SSD (be it on M.2 or SATA ports).

NVMe does nothing for OS and apps, much as we'd like it to- you want faster there, you're going to pay (way) up for Intel's Optane drives, and you're still not going to make more than a slightly-noticeable difference in OS and App productivity.

Beyond that, the bulk-storage idea flies in my estimation. Seagate Ironwolfs- those being 7200RPM drives suitable for NAS or better- perform well and are inexpensive. You can use Storage Spaces on Windows to set up SoftRAID, which works well enough for the purpose you're investigating.
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:25 pm

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+1 for DaVinci Resolve!!
Wish there was a similarly polished free program for photos.

Are you sure no OpenCL for Davinci Resolve? Their eGPU is a Radeon Pro 580. Seems odd that they'd peddle an AMD GPU if their software doesn't include acceleration for it.


From their webpage:
DaVinci Resolve 15 now has full Fusion visual effects and motion graphics built in! The Fusion page gives you a complete 3D workspace with over 250 tools for compositing, vector paint, keying, rotoscoping, text animation, tracking, stabilization, particles and more. With new Apple Metal and CUDA GPU processing, the Fusion page is faster than ever!


So they probably support Radeon GPUs on MacOS, but not Windows.
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:45 am

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How long are the video clips you are editing? 500GB isn’t very big if you are compositing 20-40 layers of 10-15 minute length at 4K.


I use Vegas 15 and clips will be now more than 5 minutes long. They'll be taken from iPhone and edited/merged.
Not tried DaVinci Resolve but will give it a try.

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I'd suggest getting two or three 8TB 7200RPM sata drives and throwing them into a local RAID0. The fact they're mechanical won't matter for 4K footage which is the definition of best-case data for those drives. Soft-RAID using the motherboard on two drives will probably net you 300-350MB/s and three drives closer to 500MB/s. They'll keep up those speeds without getting tired like a TLC NAND SSD once the cache runs out..


Do you mean instead of the 970 EVO (even if I took it to a 970 1TB PRO) ?


For storage/backups I plan to add 5TB/6TB/8TB 7200 RPM SATA HDDs.
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:54 am

Chrispy_ wrote:
I'd suggest getting two or three 7200 rpm SATA drives and throwing them into a local RAID0.
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For storage/backups I plan to add 7200 rpm SATA HDDs.
10 TB Seagate IronWolf drives are just $300 each.
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:25 am

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You are missing the most important component. What are you using as a display?

Displays -- otherwise, spot on, this is the most important part of this build. If we're making suggestions, I'd suggest a Dell UltraSharp U2718Q for the 4K video screen and a U2518D next to it for the editing software window.

There seems to possibly be a cost-limiting approach in the initial spec, OP I'm not sure if that's so but it would be good to know an indicative budget.

Personally, I would (pay the bit extra and) go for a Seasonic PSU, ASUS or ASRock motherboard, Crucial SSDs, and an EVGA (if NVIDIA) or Sapphire (if AMD) GPU. I've had nothing but trouble from Gigabyte, and Samsung SSDs are not getting off my no list yet (barring occasional and time-bound raiding of the parts box).

DaVinci Resolve 15 certainly supports OpenCL on all platforms, and AMD GPUs. It only does CUDA on NVIDIA cards (and compute cabability 3+) and should be selectable which you use.
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:55 am

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I'd suggest getting two or three 8TB 7200RPM sata drives and throwing them into a local RAID0. The fact they're mechanical won't matter for 4K footage which is the definition of best-case data for those drives. Soft-RAID using the motherboard on two drives will probably net you 300-350MB/s and three drives closer to 500MB/s. They'll keep up those speeds without getting tired like a TLC NAND SSD once the cache runs out..


Do you mean instead of the 970 EVO (even if I took it to a 970 1TB PRO) ?
For storage/backups I plan to add 5TB/6TB/8TB 7200 RPM SATA HDDs.


Yeah, instead of. You already have a separate OS and application SSD, so I'm just talking about storage for your 4K footage and project files. Now that you've said you're working with short 5-min clips, you can probably get away with a 970 EVO, but hear me out:

The problem with SSDs is that they slow down on large write operations. Phenomenal cosmic speeds for the first three minutes of 4K video writes, and then you've used up the SLC cache that provided that phenomenal speed. I've run into that problem with Crucial MX300 and MX500 drives, as well as the Generic LiteOn SSD in my laptop when dealing with video editing - and I only edit 1080p footage (admittedly, it's 120fps footage, so the same bandwidth/size requirements as 4K30fps). All of those drives benchmark at over 500MB/s sequential write speeds, but drop to less than half that performance rather quickly.

You have three approaches to avoid the performance nosedive when dealing with huge sequential writes or copies like 4K video:

  1. Use a more-expensive MLC-based SSD. Typically, an MLC-based SSD will still provide at least 250MB/s of write performance even when all the cache is used up. Some drives can still saturate the SATA ~520MB/s limit even when they reach this cacheless state - the 480GB BX300 and 500GB 860Pro are two such drives that don't cost too much more than the TLC options.
  2. Use a cheaper TLC-based SSD like the MX500 or 970EVO, but overprovision it by at least 25%. This means that if you buy a 500GB drive, you format it as a 350GB drive and give the SSD controller some spare area to play with. It's still not going to be as fast as an MLC-based SSD once it uses up all it's cache, but at least with the MX500, I know that the cache is dynamic based on spare area and free space. If you sacrifice 150GB of TLC NAND in the name of overprovisioning, that should give you around 50GB of SLC cache that is more than adequate for the needs you've described.
  3. Use mechanical drives in RAID0. Mechanical drives do NOT have the bandwidth for 4K RAW streams individually, but two of them working together do. Typically a modern 7200rpm disk will give you about 200MB/s and with some overhead from the soft-RAID, you will still likely be getting 350MB/s for sustained writes. If you plan to work with longer clips in the future, I would recommend this option because mechanical drives offer fantastic cost/TB and they don't get 'tired' under sustained loads.

I don't do a huge amount of video editing. I would put myself firmly in the 'rubbish amateur who dabbles with GoPro footage' category, but I do work with enterprise storage all day every day so I'm well aware of the difference between short review-score performance of SSDs and real-world, sustained hammering performance of SSDs.
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:40 am

It's not the greatest example of what Chrispy is saying, but it's what I could find on short notice:
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I don't have experience with 4k video editing, but I guess the question becomes: If an NVMe SSD is capable of writing >1,000MB/s for ___ seconds, how large is the 5 minute video file? (Google says between 0.85GB and 1.75GB) It may be a non-issue. Certainly the phone is going to be a bottleneck when transferring to the PC, and [for these relatively small files] the SSD is likely to beat a 3-drive RAID0 array for the write duration we're talking.
What if....you go with a slightly larger NVMe SSD for the OS (say 500GB-1TB) which you also use for your working folder on videos. Then when the editing is done, you have a single 4TB hdd that you save stuff to? I guess the SSD size depends on how many GB of videos you're going to be working on at the same time (same session).
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:19 am

The 970 EVO is in that list and actually looks like it'll be fine. It loses two thirds of its performance potential almost immediately - teeny tiny SLC cache I guess - but at least its steady-state write speed is plenty fast enough.

SSD's vary immensely in their sustained write performance, but the 970 EVO appears to be a good'un. The thing I'm talking about has coincedentally just reared it's head in this thread with an "up to 1200MB/s" drive actually running at no more than 150MB/s.
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:52 am

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The 970 EVO is in that list and actually looks like it'll be fine. It loses two thirds of its performance potential almost immediately - teeny tiny SLC cache I guess - but at least its steady-state write speed is plenty fast enough.

SSD's vary immensely in their sustained write performance, but the 970 EVO appears to be a good'un. The thing I'm talking about has coincedentally just reared it's head in this thread with an "up to 1200MB/s" drive actually running at no more than 150MB/s.


I think the bottleneck with drive speeds and 4K NLVE is not when writing out (when you are encode/CPU bound), but when you are reading in multiple 4K streams, especially if you are layering.

If you're not layering multiple 4K streams on top of each other (for instance syncing multiple camera angles to cut between in an interview), you are unlikely to be I/O bound.
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:23 pm

Chrispy_ wrote:
I don't do a huge amount of video editing. I would put myself firmly in the 'rubbish amateur who dabbles with GoPro footage' category, but I do work with enterprise storage all day every day so I'm well aware of the difference between short review-score performance of SSDs and real-world, sustained hammering performance of SSDs.


Just want to thank you for the reminder- this is something that I had more or less forgotten. I have a pair of 500GB WD Blue drives, most certainly of the 'cheap but serviceable' variety that I shoved into a striped zpool on my NAS for iSCSI experimentation, and noticed that straight transfers over 10Gbit nosedove pretty quickly compared to the steady performance of my two spinning zpools over SMB. The one with four mirrored 6TB drives* easily busts 500MB/s in sequential speeds, though you never see that with the overhead of smaller files.

[a note on iSCSI- it works, but consistency is a bit goofy between filesystem visibility and permissions; I've been able to put my Lightroom catalog on it and directly install games from both Steam and Origin, and they all load just fine, but new files don't immediately appear on other systems and I've managed to bork permissions; it's a work in progress that I cannot yet recommend -- *I've done some trial and error on getting the best performance out of my 4x6TB Ironwolf array, and it seems like the mirror beats most; further, using ZFS with a small NVMe-based ZIL works pretty well, as I found using the individual 500GB WD Blue drives to be limiting!]
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:56 pm

Thanks for all the comments !

I have another thread going re upgrading the VGA on an existing system for Mrs for Photo editing use. Still undecided whether to go that route but another option might be for us to both use this 4K video build for photo editing too (benefiting from her budget for the monitor and VGA).

The monitor would be a Benq SW271

CPU: Ryzen 7 2700X (need 8 cores for Vegas)
VGA: Quadpro P2000 5GB (mainly for the photo editing side since supports HDR and 10 bit and I guess ok for DaVinci Resolve if I go there later)
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SSD for OS: 850EVO 250GB
SSD for working files : 970 EVO PRO 1TB
Storage: 2x 8TB/10TB 7200 SATA HDDS in Raid 1
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Board - was going for Gigabyte X470 Aorus Gaming 5 wfi but not listed as supported for the P2000 VGA. Would welcome any recos (can go to $400) - need wifi but no RGB.
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

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Board - was going for Gigabyte X470 Aorus Gaming 5 wfi but not listed as supported for the P2000 VGA. Would welcome any recos (can go to $400) - need wifi but no RGB.


I'd recommend looking into what 'supported' means. Generally we don't worry about motherboard and GPU pairings, so a Quadro complaining about a particular motherboard would be a unique case in my mind.
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

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Unless you already own this memory, you should start with two 16 GiB DIMMs instead of four 8 GiB DIMMs. You'll get better performance and have room for future expansion. You should also be looking for PC4-24000 (DDR4-3000) or faster memory with CAS 16 or less. Ryzen really benefits from faster memory.
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$285 2x 16 GiB PC4-24000 Corsair Vengeance LPX CMK32GX4M2B3000C15 (DDR4-3000, 15-17-17-35, 1.35 V)
$255 2x 16 GiB PC4-28800 G.Skill Ripjaws V F4-3600C19D-32GVRB (DDR4-3600, 19-20-20-40, 1.35 V)


Comparing to DDR-3000 Cas 15:
DDR-3000 Cas 14 is $80 higher.
DDR-3200 Cas 15 is $100 higher

Are either of these going to make much of a difference to the DDR-3000 cas 15 ?
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:59 am

BeachNut wrote:
Comparing to DDR-3000 Cas 15: DDR-3000 Cas 14 is $80 higher. DDR-3200 Cas 15 is $100 higher
Are either of these going to make much of a difference to the DDR-3000 cas 15 ?
I'm not seeing such large price differences. This is the best deal that I see today on 16 GiB DIMMs:
$234 2x16 GiB PC4-25600 G.Skill Sniper-X F4-3200C16D-32GSXKB (DDR4-3200, 16-18-18-38, 1.35V) (sale ends today)

Here are a few articles on RyZen performance scaling with increasing memory speed. The difference from the slowest memory to the fastest RAM is about 10%. Between individual memory speed steps, you're probably looking at just 2% difference in the time it takes to complete your video editing tasks.
https://us.hardware.info/reviews/8269/5 ... e-software
https://www.anandtech.com/show/11857/me ... hawk-rgb/5
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threa ... .18813342/
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Re: Comments pls on 4K Video editing build

Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:52 am

I'm not really familiar with video editing and wouldn't know, *but*...

Video editing seems likely to be particularly sensitive to memory bandwidth, depending on the operation. The raw data is huge, and a lot of the things you might want to do to it are either more about shuffling that data around than actual computation or involve updating a large amount of that data in a simple way. It's the same idea as with editing very large images, but more so.

I would ignore memory latency in this case, but definitely not bandwidth. 3200 looks cheap enough at 2x16G to be a no-brainer given the rest of the system, and kits that go beyond that are either going to be much more expensive (B-die) or not something I'd be comfortable recommending with that CPU if you're not looking to tweak things.

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