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VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:34 pm

I pan to get a Benq SW271 monitor (27" 3840x2160) or similar for photo editing using Photoshop on W10 x64.

Will be used for occasional 4K playback but not gaming.

I'm sure I need to upgrade my graphics card - question is, what is the best card that can fit into my current build ?

Here's my current build - it's a bit dated by today's standards (so maybe not too exciting !) but works fine for my current needs (except for monitor resolution) so don't really want to upgrade too much yet - maybe in a couple of years.

Board : Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P (rev 1.1)
VGA : Sapphire ATI Radeon HD3650 (512MB DDR3 128 bit)
CPU: Intel Core 2 quad @ 2.40 GHz Q6600
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Appreciate any recommended graphics cards that could replace the HD3650 for my photo editing needs - no need for RGB lighting - and any other potential upgrades to address weak spots.

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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:49 pm

If you're just displaying 4K, just about anything will do. For 4K video playback you'll probably want something that accelerates 4K decoding. A GTX 1050 or HD 550 would be my choice.
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:00 pm

$119 or $134-20MIR Radeon RX560-896 4GB or $169-20MIR GeForce GTX1050Ti 4GB will do everything that you need and more. Mostly, these cards bring support for higher resolution and much better video decoding than your old graphics card. Note that Radeon RX560 4GB was $99 before Trump's tarriffs were imposed at the end of September. You may find a better deal if you can wait until Black Friday.
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:47 pm

The interface on new cards is PCI Express 3.0 but isn't my board before this spec (maybe PCI Express 2.0 on the board ?). Any issues with this ?
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:10 pm

Nope. PCIe is backwards compatible.
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:45 pm

I'm confused. Have you abandoned your intended new build? Or is this a different build altogether?

4K playback on Netflix requires minimum of 3GB VRAM (at least for Nvidia GPUs)
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:38 am

This is a different build...for Mrs...so a bit more urgent than the 4k video build !

But it looks like to take full advantage of the BenQ monitor I might have to change the CPU and Board on this unit.
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:29 am

Literally anything.

Puget Systems do a lot of application benchmarking, and the GTX1050 2GB comes up cheap and performs well in Photoshop 2017 and 2018. There's absolutely no point in spending more for a non-gaming system and the only reason I'm not suggesting a cheaper GT1030 is because it's not tested. I'm sure it would be fine, too.

I'd say get a Geforce over a Radeon here; Although Photoshop is squarely OpenCL, other photo applications like Lightroom do benefit from CUDA.
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:27 am

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But it looks like to take full advantage of the BenQ monitor I might have to change the CPU and Board on this unit.

No! All you need is a newer GPU for your stated goals.
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:00 am

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Literally anything.

Puget Systems do a lot of application benchmarking, and the GTX1050 2GB comes up cheap and performs well in Photoshop 2017 and 2018. There's absolutely no point in spending more for a non-gaming system and the only reason I'm not suggesting a cheaper GT1030 is because it's not tested. I'm sure it would be fine, too.

I'd say get a Geforce over a Radeon here; Although Photoshop is squarely OpenCL, other photo applications like Lightroom do benefit from CUDA.


Yep, Chrispy_ is on point here. I'd suggest avoiding the GT 1030s as well just to avoid the possibility of getting a DDR4 model. I'd spring for a GTX 1050 Ti only because 2 GB of memory may end up becoming a bottleneck for CUDA apps down the road, depending on data set requirements. I liked my 1050 Ti so much that I regret selling it a while back.
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:57 am

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But it looks like to take full advantage of the BenQ monitor I might have to change the CPU and Board on this unit.


No. Just the GPU is needed to change. With that being said, Core2 Duo is pretty old at this point. It is probably slower than a lot of people's cell phones these days. But if gets the job done, then there's no real reason to change it.
 
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:53 pm

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Yep, Chrispy_ is on point here. I'd suggest avoiding the GT 1030s as well just to avoid the possibility of getting a DDR4 model. I'd spring for a GTX 1050 Ti only because 2 GB of memory may end up becoming a bottleneck for CUDA apps down the road, depending on data set requirements. I liked my 1050 Ti so much that I regret selling it a while back.


Thanks for the suggestion. I can't see if the 1050 Ti supports HDR and 10 bit color. Is it true that GeForce cards can only output 10 bit display for DirectX applications but not in OpenGL applications (like Photoshop?) ?

I was thinking I'd have to change my board if I needed HDR and 10 bit color support to fully utilize the monitor. Hope I'm wrong...
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:40 pm

$110 Radeon RX560-896 4GB - that's $9 less than yesterday.
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Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:46 pm

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I was thinking I'd have to change my board if I needed HDR and 10 bit color support to fully utilize the monitor. Hope I'm wrong...

That's completely dependent upon the GPU you choose, not the motherboard or CPU.
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:39 pm

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4K playback on Netflix requires minimum of 3GB VRAM (at least for Nvidia GPUs)

I thought I remembered reading that you needed a 1050 for hardware decode on one of the newer codecs (though I can’t recall which one), and a Core2 is going to need all the hardware decode help it can get. If Netflix requires a 1050 with 3GB, then I’d consider that the minimum. Newegg has one for $135.
 
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:56 am

GTX1050 3GB is indeed the minimum that the linked Nvidia page requires for 4k Netflix playback. Although I can't find a similar page for AMD GPUs. Since the Nvidia 10xx series lauched at the same time as the AMD 4xx series, I'm guessing that any RX4xx or RX5xx AMD GPU with 3GB or more of VRAM will work just fine since they would have whatever modern decoding support is required.
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:33 am

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GTX1050 3GB is indeed the minimum that the linked Nvidia page requires for 4k Netflix playback. Although I can't find a similar page for AMD GPUs. Since the Nvidia 10xx series lauched at the same time as the AMD 4xx series, I'm guessing that any RX4xx or RX5xx AMD GPU with 3GB or more of VRAM will work just fine since they would have whatever modern decoding support is required.

The driver needs to support Microsoft PlayReady 3.0 for Netflix Ultra HD, for AMD that's 18.5.1 and the announcement was of it being for only the RX 400 and RX 500 series, at least that were mentioned in the release notes for that driver version. As with NVIDIA, you need all connected and turned on screens to have HDCP 2.2 too, and no multi-GPU either.

Netflix officially only states as supported those NVIDIA cards and the iGPU's in Kaby Lake or later though.

Edit: searching around, it seems that AMD doesn't yet have support for PlayReady on Vega, just Polaris. I haven't found anywhere that catalogues, much less tests, for what actually works. It also seems that one needs to either use Edge or the Netflix app, and since Windows 10 1709 the system has to also have the HEVC Video Extensions app installed, which is 79p in the UK (YCMV).
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:01 am

I'm not sure if this question should go here, or in your 4k video editing build thread: Is the "4k playback" you're talking about JUST the 4k videos you're recording on your iPhone? TBH, I'm dubious that 4k is going to look much better than 1080p from a device like that. And the 4x increase in file size certainly doesn't bode well in the argument either.
If we're talking professionally recorded/edited 4k content like movies, TV shows, or video taken from multi-thousand $ dedicated equipment, then sure, go nuts.

None of this has much effect on this build I suppose, since we're talking about $100 GPUs, but the question had to be asked.

I just noticed that BenQ SW271 monitor is $1,000. That's a pretty serious piece of equipment. Are you sure that's what you NEED? If you're [more than likely] only photo editing in sRGB color space (non-professionally, or semi-professionally), you can get just as good of color accuracy from monitors 1/3 that price. The rest of this machine just doesn't scream "professional photo editing" to me. But perhaps I'm mistaken.
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:10 am

I got the same setup than you, here is my advice:

I opted for a rx460 with no plug to the PSU, big mistake, ancient mobos have problems to deliver enough juice to the pci so I need to down clock it to half of the power because every time the card need juice the driver crash.

Buy AMD because of it amazing software that will help you to solve voltage problems very fast and easy.

Your mobo probably has a memory limitation, check it before purchasing, mine for example has a 6 tb limit so I need to use 4gb ram and 2gb video memory.

Over clock your q6600 if your memory can get to 333mhz, search internet for it, you only will need a piece of paper to cover 2 pins of the cpu. Is super easy.

Install the latest Microsoft win 10 maximum performance power plan, it makes a huge difference in performance, specially in desktop.

Uninstall the patches for the intel bug meltdown and the other one, it makes a big impact on performance.

Install an app like core temp to check the cpu usage and kill apps that get to much cpu time, specially browsers.

Install last updates of every web browser.

Install video players and activate the hardware acelerared tab.

With this computer you could have a very competent workflow. I play games like street fighter v, alien isolation, Alan wake, total war, I use a DAW to make music, synth, blender and cinema 4d, Vegas video, unreal studio to make video games, I have a subscription to adobe and use last version of apps with no problem, Netflix at 1080 and plans like you to purchase a 4K monitor.
 
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:21 am

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I got the same setup than you, here is my advice:

I opted for a rx460 with no plug to the PSU, big mistake, ancient mobos have problems to deliver enough juice to the pci so I need to down clock it to half of the power because every time the card need juice the driver crash.

Buy AMD because of it amazing software that will help you to solve voltage problems very fast and easy.

Your mobo probably has a memory limitation, check it before purchasing, mine for example has a 6 tb limit so I need to use 4gb ram and 2gb video memory.

Over clock your q6600 if your memory can get to 333mhz, search internet for it, you only will need a piece of paper to cover 2 pins of the cpu. Is super easy.

Install the latest Microsoft win 10 maximum performance power plan, it makes a huge difference in performance, specially in desktop.

Uninstall the patches for the intel bug meltdown and the other one, it makes a big impact on performance.

Install an app like core temp to check the cpu usage and kill apps that get to much cpu time, specially browsers.

Install last updates of every web browser.

Install video players and activate the hardware acelerared tab.

With this computer you could have a very competent workflow. I play games like street fighter v, alien isolation, Alan wake, total war, I use a DAW to make music, synth, blender and cinema 4d, Vegas video, unreal studio to make video games, I have a subscription to adobe and use last version of apps with no problem, Netflix at 1080 and plans like you to purchase a 4K monitor.

This is terrible advice, in so many ways. I can't even begin to disect it, no just no.
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:44 am

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joselillo_25 wrote:
This is terrible advice, in so many ways. I can't even begin to disect it, no just no.


The day you demostrate that you can make half of the things I do in a 11 years old computer instead of upgrading every two years I think the OP should start to listen to you.

By now I think is better to listen a person that uses everyday the same computer he is trying to upgrade instead someone who says that everything is wrong.
 
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:10 am

Overclocking a chip that old (and hot / power hungry) is not on my recommendation list. The motherboard is old too, pushing it to it's thermal and power limits is not a good idea.
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:50 am

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The day you demostrate that you can make half of the things I do in a 11 years old computer instead of upgrading every two years I think the OP should start to listen to you.

By now I think is better to listen a person that uses everyday the same computer he is trying to upgrade instead someone who says that everything is wrong.

Ahahahaha. You're reducing the signal to noise ratio in this post, too, none of this is helping the OP. You fail to understand some basics, e.g. it's bad advice to overclock an ancient machine or uninstall security updates. The correct advice has already been given, to try a 1050 if they're going to try anything.

As for who the you think it's better to listen to, of course you think it's you, but your assertions are baseless and false, and your earlier advice is bad. IME, which is rather more extensive than 1 11 y.o. machine, of course :wink:
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:56 am

No to be dissonant, but let the OP go ahead on OC the C2Q. As long as you're not going crazy with voltages I see little harm in it. 3GHz at 1.35V or less seems doable for a near-stock OC. The way I see it, if it dies, it dies, good reason to upgrade. The thing is nearing its 12th birthday for goodness sake.
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:24 am

Most C2Q chips overclock like a champ on little to no extra voltage, but in a machine this old for something as undemanding as OpenCL photo editing, the CPU is borderline irrelevant, as long as it isn't a horrible experience everywhere else.

Software 4K playback may be an issue for it because newer low-end CPUs rely on fixed-function hardware for that, but the GPU upgrade covers that.
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:31 am

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No to be dissonant, but let the OP go ahead on OC the C2Q. As long as you're not going crazy with voltages I see little harm in it. 3GHz at 1.35V or less seems doable for a near-stock OC. The way I see it, if it dies, it dies, good reason to upgrade. The thing is nearing its 12th birthday for goodness sake.

Are you actually arguing that OP take that attitude with his missus' PC? That's braver than I am!
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:21 pm

the pin cover in the q6600 involves just increasing the fsb speed, is like a change of cpu for the mobo, you are not tuning anything above specs if you have a 333mhz RAM.

Juice 75w via the pci is much more dangerous in an old system, and in my pc causes crashes until I figure out to decrease watts using the Radeon crimson software, that’s why recommending a 1050 is not good, is much better use a card that can get power from the PSU to prevent problems in an old mobo. Also I prefer AMD because this software helped me to solve this problem and to create different profiles with I really doubt I could accomplished in a Nvidia card without the help of 3rd party software. Would like to thank Scott for his collaboration in the creation and concept of this software.

Also meltdown patches causes a very noticeable slowdowns in my computer that’s why I recommend to turn them off, specially in a machine dedicated to movies and photo editing.

I also recommend Netflix native app, not browser, because the performance is much better and a video player with hw aceleration and use the last patches in the browsers because they turn off all the JavaScript in the tabs you are not using.

So I think that my recommendations are really reasonable and also take in consideration that I use this machine for 2-3 hours a day and I have need to solve some performance problems that are not noticeable in your up to date systems, so at least take my opinion as an authorized one.
 
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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:52 am

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is much better use a card that can get power from the PSU to prevent problems in an old mobo. Also I prefer AMD because this software helped me to solve this problem and to create different profiles with I really doubt I could accomplished in a Nvidia card without the help of 3rd party software.


I probably won't try over-clocking for now, but powering a VGA from the PSU makes sense to me (although I am a newbie here). Is there any particular card equivalent to the 1050 that you'd recommend ? It will be a nice birthday present for my 12 year old CPU !

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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

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you only will need a piece of paper to cover 2 pins of the cpu. Is super easy.


...That.. Uh.

...that doesn't, like, sound easy?

I assume you don't actually mean the pins in the LGA socket, right? You really mean the contacts/pads on the CPU?

Even then... super-small. It seems very frustrating, not easy. Especially with paper---you really meant like an itty-bitty piece of tape?

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Re: VGA upgrade possible for photo editing and 4k playback ?

Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:30 pm

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joselillo_25 wrote:
you only will need a piece of paper to cover 2 pins of the cpu. Is super easy.


...That.. Uh.

...that doesn't, like, sound easy?

I assume you don't actually mean the pins in the LGA socket, right? You really mean the contacts/pads on the CPU?

Even then... super-small. It seems very frustrating, not easy. Especially with paper---you really meant like an itty-bitty piece of tape?

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I'm with Topinio and Waco--- I'm going to go with a blanket "no", for everything.


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but you need 333mhz memory because it increases the fsb speed.

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