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New build

Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:36 pm

Hi

My daughter has an older computer and now has the money for major upgrade. She will use the computer for gaming and modding. This is what she/we have picked out:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CrPTV6
She is set to spend the money and wants Intel and Nvidia. She is reusing the 4TB hard drive to use for storage and will use Win 10. The optical drive is needed for her older games.

Does anyone see any problems with the build?

Would it be better to go ahead and buy a Z390 vs a Z370 board?

Thanks!
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Re: New build

Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:47 pm

Welcome to the Tech Report!
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CPU Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor $310
For $60 more, you could get the i7-8700K, which runs at 3.7 GHz.

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Western Digital - Black NVMe 1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive
Western Digital - Caviar Black 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $189
I can't necessarily endorse the WD Caviar Black 4 TB drive, but if you've already got it, you might as well hang onto it. Here's a 5 TB Toshiba 7200 rpm drive for $50 less:
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Re: New build

Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:55 pm

You might also want to put some attention to peripherals. A lot of times people spend all their budget on upgrading the PC when the biggest upgrades to the user experience could be the monitor and speakers.
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Re: New build

Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:56 am

We are also looking at monitors but not at speakers. At her home, it's better for her to use a headset. How about a CPU cooler? We've got by in the past using the stock intel cooler.
 
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Re: New build

Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:50 am

jme142 wrote:
We are also looking at monitors but not at speakers. At her home, it's better for her to use a headset. How about a CPU cooler? We've got by in the past using the stock intel cooler.


I use the Corsair H100 cooler. I like the water coolers since they seem to reduce noise overall, and you don't have this giant chunk of metal hanging off your CPU/motherboard, blocking memory slots, etc.
 
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Re: New build

Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:27 am

roncat wrote:
jme142 wrote:
We are also looking at monitors but not at speakers. At her home, it's better for her to use a headset. How about a CPU cooler? We've got by in the past using the stock intel cooler.

I use the Corsair H100 cooler. I like the water coolers since they seem to reduce noise overall, and you don't have this giant chunk of metal hanging off your CPU/motherboard, blocking memory slots, etc.

Personally, for a non-enthusiast, I like air coolers. Fewer things to go wrong. Something like the Hyper212 does great.
 
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Re: New build

Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:57 am

I think the build looks just fine, but would echo other's recommendations to get the i7-8700K or better yet, an i7-9700K since they've gone back to solder under the heatspreader with 9th gen. The problem with Intel CPUs right now is that they're hard to find at near MSRP.

CPU cooler, the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO is a great cooler for $30 that has stood the test of time. Its only weakness is the mounting system.

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Re: New build

Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:12 am

The i5-8400 is cheaper than the i7s and almost as fast for gaming, where the bottleneck is almost always the graphics card. Dropping down to an i5 would let her fit a GTX 1070Ti or even a 1080 into the same budget - and that would result in a stronger gaming machine overall.

https://techreport.com/review/34211/our ... -late-2018

If you're not going to buy a K-series i5/i7 CPU, you don't need the Z370 motherboard - an H370 board would be just as good and cheaper. The only thing a Z-series chip lets you do is overclock a K-series CPU. Again, the difference should be put towards improving the graphics card, as that is what makes the most difference to gaming performance.

I'm also an advocate for moderate air cooling of CPUs. There's extra risk and more things to go wrong with an AIO water cooler, and they're definitely noisier than an air cooler when the CPU isn't overclocked. I've had to repair PCs damaged by failing water coolers and it's not nice. The CPU either gets cooked due to pump failure or the waterbock being clogged, otherwise (pretty rare) there's a leak and multiple components are damaged at once. At least with a heatsink and fan, the cooling is often still within safe levels even if the fan dies, just because it still acts as a large passive cooler taking advantage of the case airflow. The Hyper 212 EVO is an amazing cooler for the money and performance is overkill for a non-K processor.

At 4TB capacity, my favourite storage drive is the Seagate Ironwolf 4TB. It's fast enough but one of the coolest and quietest disks on the market. As with most hard drives, don't assume that a different capacity is going to behave the same way - the Ironwolf 6TB spins faster and has more platters so it's hot and noisy. I've personally had bad luck and newegg reviews seem to echo my gut feeling that WD are not making quiet, good, reliable drives at the 4TB mark, though the Black models are warrantied for longer than the Greens or Reds, so perhaps their quality control is better.

If the budget isn't a big concern, I'd second (third?) the recommendation for the 8700K with a Z-series motherboard, and I think the 1070Ti is the sweet spot for gaming cards right now.
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Re: New build

Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:33 pm

Need a Z-series board to run > DDR4-2666 though....FWIW.
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Re: New build

Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:42 am

If the focus is mostly on gaming rather than productivity, the new $280 Core i5-9600K might be a good value compared to the $310 Core i7-8700. The i5 gives up hyper-threading and ¼ of its cache.
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