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Re: Built new pc

Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:47 pm

No random restart in bios, now I need to get windows 10 on my new ssd and a WiFi adapter for the msi 350m mobo
 
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Re: Built new pc

Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:56 pm

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The plan rn is to use a new ssd. Have no idea how to install anything on it tbh and will now have to find a compatible WiFi router, which i don’t know what would qualify

You already have other devices that connect to WiFi, right? I'm assuming you already have a WiFi router (from your internet service provider?), and don't need another one. You probably just need a WiFi adapter (which allows your PC to talk to the existing WiFI router).

WiFi adapters come two ways - as a PCIe expansion card that plugs into one of your motherboard PCIe slots, or as a USB device. How fast is your internet connection, and which WiFi standards does your existing router support? WiFi standards are generally backward/forward compatible, but it would suck to get a cheaper, older, slower adapter that prevents you from taking full advantage of the bandwidth that your router and internet connection support.

FWIW if you play online games, you probably ought to use the motherboard's wired connection instead if possible. WiFi adds latency, and increases the odds of dropped packets, both of which can adversely affect gameplay.
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Re: Built new pc

Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:16 pm

Yes I need an adapter, and usually around 6mb download speed, 7 if I’m really lucky. How do I put windows on an empty ssd btw? Oh and which adapter to get
 
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Re: Built new pc

Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:44 pm

So bad news. Put back the parts in the pc, does a death loop saying it’s preparing devices, so now I have no usable computer.
 
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Re: Built new pc

Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:48 pm

Back in the original PC? Not sure what you did here.

Moving the same Windows installation between different hardware platforms is generally a bad idea unless you sysprep it first.

A fresh OS install is probably your best bet.
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Re: Built new pc

Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:49 pm

I put the graphics card and ssd back in my old motherboard
 
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Re: Built new pc

Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:51 pm

You might be able to clean this mess up by booting into Safe Mode. I haven't used Windows 10 much, someone else will need to help with step-by-step.
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Re: Built new pc

Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:08 pm

At this point in time, I would do a clean installation of Windows, due to the unstable nature of the system at the time (post was a bit tl;dr). If your computer boots and stays in BIOS / UEFI for as long as leave it there, it could be the SSD or the SATA cable as pointed out. Also the RAM speed could be detrimental to it (e.g. I had two RAM banks that I had to underclock because they weren't supported at their default speeds by my motherboard/CPU combo).

For a sanity check, why not do the following:
  • Put the computer back in the most stable hardware configuration you've had
  • Check that the RAM speed is supported by your motherboard
  • Copy your data off the computer through a Live CD / Safe Mode (Turn on your computer, hold the Shift key and immediately go to Restart, and select "Troubleshoot">"Advanced options">"Startup Settings" and once in the menu select option "4 - Safe Boot", USB basic operation should work for copying data)
  • Do a Windows 10 System Repair - you'll need a Windows Installation media for this.
  • If the previous fails, clean install Windows (i.e. erase the partition and re-install Windows)

Also, something to consider - Power related issues, I was having random restarts in my computer and I managed to stop this by setting up a UPS - apparently the power outlet I use has some fluctuations that caused my PC to shut down. Have you tried plugging it to a different outlet?
 
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Re: Built new pc

Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:50 pm

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 to download the Windows 10 installation to a USB drive.
If you're going to reinstall Windows on the HP machine, you wont need to enter the product key. But since you're doing a new build, you'll need a new windows product key to install windows on that system.

To me it sounds like the reason things aren't working is user error.

My best advice: find a friend who knows how to build computers and give them dinner and a 6 pack of beer to come over and help.

Also: https://youtu.be/ea_bs5G1yYU (Tech Report system build guide video)
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Re: Built new pc

Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:06 pm

I had a similar problem last year when I built my new system. Like you, I tried moving the boot drive from the old system to the new system, and like you the system would only stay up for a few minutes at a time. The solution in the end was reformatting the boot drive and installing Windows from scratch.

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Re: Built new pc

Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:47 pm

Right now I’m using a wizard to save all the files so I can transfer to the new ssd. I’m not sure how to properly format everything so that I can just plug the ssd into the drive yet, but I’m searching some tutorials.

Old pc fixed itself and I’m now like I said using the wizard. I have multiple slots for ssd’s so I’ll hook the old one into the working system and transfer all the files.
 
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Re: Built new pc

Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:52 pm

And yea I’d love to hook it up by lan, but current setup has the router downstairs and that’s not budging without professional maintenance. Recommended adapter for WiFi?
 
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Re: Built new pc

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Re: Built new pc

Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:44 am

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And yea I’d love to hook it up by lan, but current setup has the router downstairs and that’s not budging without professional maintenance. Recommended adapter for WiFi?

You can always connect two computers directly with an ethernet cable and do the transfer from there. (Cable / twisted pair issues are a long thing from the past nowadays, should work fine)
 
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Re: Built new pc

Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:50 am

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FisherKaiser666 wrote:
And yea I’d love to hook it up by lan, but current setup has the router downstairs and that’s not budging without professional maintenance. Recommended adapter for WiFi?

You can always connect two computers directly with an ethernet cable and do the transfer from there. (Cable / twisted pair issues are a long thing from the past nowadays, should work fine)


Whoa, really - motherboard NICs are now smart enough to patch/crossover in software?
How long has this been a thing?! I'm still living in the past (well, actually I've not had to use a crossover cable in a decade or so, so I'm not even living at this point....)
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Re: Built new pc

Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:07 am

Chrispy_ wrote:
qmacpoint wrote:
FisherKaiser666 wrote:
And yea I’d love to hook it up by lan, but current setup has the router downstairs and that’s not budging without professional maintenance. Recommended adapter for WiFi?

You can always connect two computers directly with an ethernet cable and do the transfer from there. (Cable / twisted pair issues are a long thing from the past nowadays, should work fine)


Whoa, really - motherboard NICs are now smart enough to patch/crossover in software?
How long has this been a thing?! I'm still living in the past (well, actually I've not had to use a crossover cable in a decade or so, so I'm not even living at this point....)

Auto MDI/MDIX pretty much became standard with gigabit.
 
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Re: Built new pc

Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:25 am

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Auto MDI/MDIX pretty much became standard with gigabit.

IIRC it's a required part of the spec.
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Re: Built new pc

Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:26 pm

How about the av 600? Should that work as well, I jut prefer to use amazon prime.
 
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Re: Built new pc

Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:53 pm

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How about the av 600? Should that work as well, I jut prefer to use amazon prime.

That should work as well, and you should be able to see the computer in the network - You need to deal with setting up Sharing in Windows, but that should work fine.

But that would cost you a lot more than connecting an Ethernet cable between two computers, and the sharing part in Windows would be similar: https://www.wikihow.com/Connect-Two-Com ... rnet-Cable
 
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Re: Built new pc

Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:19 pm

Alright so now I just need to know how to set up my hard drive so I can put it in the new motherboard. Any advice on how to get started on that?
 
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Re: Built new pc

Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:26 pm

Quick question. How do I connect the new ssd into the system thats still running the original ssd without messing up anything.
 
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Re: Built new pc

Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:46 pm

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Quick question. How do I connect the new ssd into the system thats still running the original ssd without messing up anything.

The new one has Windows on it already? Turn PC off, unplug old SSD, plug in new SSD, turn PC on.
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Re: Built new pc

Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:48 pm

New ssd is blank, completely
 
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Re: Built new pc

Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:50 pm

Also I was a bit unclear; how do I put windows 10 on a hard drive with no disk or flash drive
 
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Re: Built new pc

Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:22 pm

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Also I was a bit unclear; how do I put windows 10 on a hard drive with no disk or flash drive

You can't. At least, not easily, unless you have a corporate Windows license and imaging tools.

You should hook the new SSD up to the system you intend to run it on, as the first (primary) drive, and boot the Windows installer from a USB thumbdrive (or a DVD in a USB-connected optical drive).

If you're installing on the new motherboard, you will also need to obtain another Windows 10 license, since your current one is tied to the old motherboard. If you have an old Windows 7/8 key laying around that you're not using any more, you might be able to activate with that.

To avoid confusion, you want to disconnect the old drive before running the installer so you know you're installing to the intended target.

Just to make sure I understand your intent, since it isn't entirely clear from what you've posted: You're trying to install a fresh copy of Windows 10 to a new SSD, on your new motherboard. Correct?
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Re: Built new pc

Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:46 pm

Yes, that is the intent. My problem was windows restarting over and over on the new mobo when I plugged in the ssd, so I came to the conclusion since my hardwire is alright, it’s windows. I wouldn’t mind trying to start fresh with my current ssd, which would keep windows but sadly lose everything else which is just a matter of downloading it all again.

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