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Looking for new TR System Guide

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:32 am
by cfOH
The current System Guide is now over 6 months old. In PC hardware terms, that's about 11 years. My current PC, which was built a fairly long time ago based roughly on a TR system guide configuration, needs to be replaced. Can anyone confirm if there's a new System Guide in the works? If so, when will it be posted? Very much looking forward to it, and thanks to everyone who contributes to it.

Re: Waiting for new TR system guide...anyone else?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:53 am
by Heiwashin
Use the product reviews and make your own system. Takes a few hours.

Re: Waiting for new TR system guide...anyone else?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:48 am
by JustAnEngineer
I also lament the missing System Guide for the holiday upgrade cycle. What do you want to do with your new PC? Are you replacing your monitor, or what is the native resolution of the display that you want to re-use? Are there any other components that you want to re-use? Finally—What is the total budget for this project?
“Speed is money. How fast do you want to go?”

Re: Waiting for new TR system guide...anyone else?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:55 am
by superjawes
I do miss the more regular System Guides. Maybe someone who frequents SBA could do a makeshift Gerbil version...

Re: Waiting for new TR system guide...anyone else?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:17 pm
by Voldenuit
Waiting for Zen 2/Ryzen 3.

That's when things will get interesting, especially since Cannon Lake will be another 14 nm part.

Re: Waiting for new TR system guide...anyone else?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:27 pm
by DancinJack
Voldenuit wrote:
Waiting for Zen 2/Ryzen 3.

That's when things will get interesting, especially since Cannon Lake will be another 14 nm part.

You? or TR? If the latter, that's likely wrong.

Re: Waiting for new TR system guide...anyone else?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:37 pm
by derFunkenstein
I have no interest in building a system right now, but I like reading them and hope they'll be back before the end of the year.

Re: Waiting for new TR system guide...anyone else?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:46 pm
by Krogoth
Ryzen-based Zen2 will not be hitting retail/etailer shelves until late Q1 2019 into beginning of Q2 2019. I doubt it'll change the enthusiast landscape by that much either. Zen2-based Epyc and Threadripper are going to be much more interesting.

Re: Waiting for new TR system guide...anyone else?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:27 pm
by Voldenuit
DancinJack wrote:
Voldenuit wrote:
Waiting for Zen 2/Ryzen 3.

That's when things will get interesting, especially since Cannon Lake will be another 14 nm part.

You? or TR? If the latter, that's likely wrong.


TR. We already know where Coffee-Lake Refresh stands - fast, hot, and expensive, and Cannon Lake will likely be the same deal, only moreso. What will be worth seeing in 1H19 is whether Zen 2 redefines AMD's absolute performance position, and if so, where and at what cost. Their APUs being 8-core parts next gen will probably be revolutionary in the budget and midrange space no matter if Zen 2's IPC improvements pan out.

Re: Waiting for new TR system guide...anyone else?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:31 pm
by chuckula
Given Intel and Nvidia's impending bankruptcies within the next month prior to CES, it's prudent for TR to hold off on recommendations. This lets AMD launch its full 7nm product lineup with widespread availability at CES so the next guide can be all-AMD.

Re: Waiting for new TR system guide...anyone else?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:45 pm
by leor
I just took advantage of the 1950x sale to replace my living room computer. Why would I do that? I honestly have no answer for that question other than "because I could." Gonna toss a couple of Vega 56 cards I have from the mining craze.

I'm as surprised to have an all AMD machine as... I don't know, insert surprised meme here. My main rig is still intel/nvidia, 7900x and Titan Pascal, but I guess you could make the argument that in some situations the TR system is faster.

Every time I look at that massive case (still configuring it) it makes me laugh, such a silly thing to do.

Re: Waiting for new TR system guide...anyone else?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:19 pm
by Sigeric
If you can wait for the Ryzen 2 3000 series to come out next month or so. If you can't wait try looking at Youtube videos, PCPartPicker.com and the TR guide for general direction and info. Look for deals at any MicroCenter or Frys Electronics near you also. Using reviews on Newegg and Amazon helps with product quality investigation.

Re: Waiting for new TR system guide...anyone else?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:18 pm
by JustAnEngineer
It's a bit difficult to make recommendations without knowing what you intend to do with the PC and how much you are wanting to spend on it.

Re: Waiting for new TR system guide...anyone else?

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:36 pm
by BIF
I too miss the system guide.

I'd also like to see a laptop build guide, but I'm kind of nuts about this stuff.

Oh, I'm willing to wait for the laptop form factor 2080 TI to become available in Q1, so you all can have Christmas off. This time.

:lol: :P

Re: Waiting for new TR system guide...anyone else?

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:29 am
by JustAnEngineer
cfOH wrote:
I really didn't expect anyone to produce a custom shopping list for me...that's what the SG is for, innit? ;-D
That's exactly the sort of thing that tends to happen in the SBA forum. :D

Re: Waiting for new TR system guide...anyone else?

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:26 am
by tanker27
chuckula wrote:
Given Intel and Nvidia's impending bankruptcies within the next month prior to CES, it's prudent for TR to hold off on recommendations.


Click-bait much? AMD to go bankrupt by 2020.

I love the TR system guide, even if I am not going to actively be building that cycle. But they have gotten a bit stale, you can pretty much guess how they rank components based off of their reviews. I just wish they'd break in to the SFF. They once did a 'dorm-box' that was awesome!

Re: Waiting for new TR system guide...anyone else?

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:21 am
by FireGryphon
There was a time a few years ago when there were a lot of weird builds, like SFF and such. It’s be nice to see those again since there isn’t me out there in the way of guidance on these builds.

What would be equally interesting is to have maybe a couple times a year a summary of hardware, with a category for best performance, best value, and least-expensive-but-still-reliable. Not just for desktop hardware but for laptops, too. It takes a ton of research to find which laptops have screens with acceptable color accuracy, and THEN even more time to try and find which ones of those have good keyboards, and so on down the spec list. Laptop review websites are so terribly sponsored that it’s tough to glean any unbiased and useful info from anywhere.

Re: Waiting for new TR system guide...anyone else?

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:00 pm
by End User
A holiday guide had to be out by now to be of any use. I ordered my holiday build components back in mid November. The final item arrived today:

- Corsair Crystal 750X case
- 9900K
- H150i Pro
- Z390 AORUS MASTER
- 32GB Vengeance RGB Pro DDR4 3600
- RTX 2080 Ti FTW3 ULTRA GAMING
- 1 TB 970 Pro (boot)
- 2 TB 970 EVO (games)
- 2 TB MX500 (local backup)
- AX1200i
- ML120 Pro RBB fans
- 2x6 foot TB3 cables

Re: Waiting for new TR system guide...anyone else?

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:52 pm
by JustAnEngineer
Tech Report System Guides by year:
2005: 1
2006: 4
2007: 5
2008: 6
2009: 6
2010: 6
2011: 6
2012: 6
2013: 6
2014: 6
2015: 5
2016: 5
2017: 5
2018: 1

Re: Waiting for new TR system guide...anyone else?

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:38 pm
by Heiwashin
JustAnEngineer wrote:
Tech Report System Guides by year:
2005: 1
2006: 4
2007: 5
2008: 6
2009: 6
2010: 6
2011: 6
2012: 6
2013: 6
2014: 6
2015: 5
2016: 5
2017: 5
2018: 1



Holy ****, 2018 is almost over? I just stopped writing 2017 on paperwork. :cry: I need to sit down somewhere, I can't stand up for the rate time passage is accelerating, I'll fall over if I do.

Re: Waiting for new TR system guide...anyone else?

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:39 am
by tanker27
JustAnEngineer wrote:
Tech Report System Guides by year:
2005: 1
2006: 4
2007: 5
2008: 6
2009: 6
2010: 6
2011: 6
2012: 6
2013: 6
2014: 6
2015: 5
2016: 5
2017: 5
2018: 1


Umm wow, which makes me ask, "What happened?"

Re: Waiting for new TR system guide...anyone else?

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:56 am
by JustAnEngineer
tanker27 wrote:
Umm wow, which makes me ask, "What happened?"
That is an excellent question.

I have split this discussion from the thread with actual build recommendations, which is located here:
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=121592

Re: Looking for new TR System Guide

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:00 am
by drfish
It's pretty straightforward, and already public knowledge, but here's a reminder. The system guides have historically been sponsored by NewEgg, even though what was put in them was 100% up to the TR staff. This was the last one of that nature. No sponsorship = fewer updates. It's just that simple.

FWIW, I'm in the same boat as the rest of you, I'd love to have an updated one to share with the growing number of coworkers and their kids that are suddenly becoming interested in PC gaming/building.

Re: Looking for new TR System Guide

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:12 am
by tanker27
drfish wrote:
It's pretty straightforward, and already public knowledge, but here's a reminder. The system guides have historically been sponsored by NewEgg, even though what was put in them was 100% up to the TR staff. This was the last one of that nature. No sponsorship = fewer updates. It's just that simple.


I must have missed the announcement then. >.>

Re: Looking for new TR System Guide

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:22 am
by drfish
Well, there wasn't exactly fanfare, it was just a matter of not mentioning the sponsorship anymore after it was over.

Re: Looking for new TR System Guide

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:08 pm
by JustAnEngineer
I split off the discussion of SFF gaming PC options into its own thread, here:
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=121606

Re: Looking for new TR System Guide

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:32 am
by Flying Fox
drfish wrote:
FWIW, I'm in the same boat as the rest of you, I'd love to have an updated one to share with the growing number of coworkers and their kids that are suddenly becoming interested in PC gaming/building.

Frequent forum participants and readers of the review articles like ourselves, you are a walking System Guide. :lol:

Re: Looking for new TR System Guide

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:25 am
by JustAnEngineer
Flying Fox wrote:
You are a walking System Guide. :lol:
If TR would invest half a day in writing an updated System Guide every three or four months, then each of us wouldn't have to spend that time every time someone asks the question. We could simply point to the article and make a few comments.