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Re: Time to finally take the Ryzen plunge?

Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:45 am

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That's odd, AMD hasn't change the form factor for their HSF on the desktop platform since Socket 754/940.

Hmm... pretty much everything I've been reading says most HSFs at least need a modified clip? I will check for myself once I unbox the mobo.
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Re: Time to finally take the Ryzen plunge?

Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:07 am

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That's odd, AMD hasn't change the form factor for their HSF on the desktop platform since Socket 754/940.

Hmm... pretty much everything I've been reading says most HSFs at least need a modified clip? I will check for myself once I unbox the mobo.


Actually, it looks like AMD changed the mounting starting with AM2. They changed to four screws on the corners instead of two in the middle sections. I suppose with a little creative modding you could get an old S940/S939/S754-era unit working.
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Re: Time to finally take the Ryzen plunge?

Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:53 am

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That's odd, AMD hasn't change the form factor for their HSF on the desktop platform since Socket 754/940.

Hmm... pretty much everything I've been reading says most HSFs at least need a modified clip? I will check for myself once I unbox the mobo.

Actually, it looks like AMD changed the mounting starting with AM2. They changed to four screws on the corners instead of two in the middle sections. I suppose with a little creative modding you could get an old S940/S939/S754-era unit working.

Most of the stuff on hand is AM2/AM3 era.

Edit: Ahh, I guess the issue is that if your (older) HSF uses a custom backing plate and/or retention mechanism, it won't work without an AM4 adapter. But HSFs that are designed to clip to the standard AM2/AM3 retention frame should work.
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Re: Time to finally take the Ryzen plunge?

Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:18 pm

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That's odd, AMD hasn't change the form factor for their HSF on the desktop platform since Socket 754/940.

I'm betting its the boards themselves that are causing the incompatibilities due to the I/O covers and sizeable heatsinks on the VRMs. I get a warning from PCPartpicker that the board may have issues with the fitting on the La Grand Macho and require an adapter (?? dunno how that would work ??) and I'd have to measure it to ensure it fits.

The Macho is an amazing performer, and I was fairly sure I was going with an H20 AIO on this build, but the Macho offers legit performance and the added benefit of directing more airflow over the VRM area, so I'm going to have to accept its $80 price tag if I want to keep the CPU and board cool and cut down on fan noise as much as I possibly can (my current build has a first gen H80 with terrible pump cavitation that I never RMA'd).
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Re: Time to finally take the Ryzen plunge?

Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:20 pm

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I got this HGST 6TB for $140 at Black Friday and I absolutely love it. Out of stock on Amazon right now though.

Looks like the 4TB one is in stock though... storage volume on the current desktop is 3TB, so while 6TB would be nice, 4TB would be sufficient.

Those nicely boxed HGST NAS drives seem to have been discontinued (possibly their corporate overloads at WD have ordered their termination). Whatever are available seem to be the remaining stock with random availability and somewhat high prices. Back in Black Friday 2017 I was able to score the 8TB ones for like $220, and now only the Seagate Ironwolf non-pro could approach that price. :-?

The WD Reds/Pros and the Ironwolf Pro's are much more expensive that I am not sure if it is worth it. I am putting them in a parity Storage Space so I have designed with the drives failing in mind to begin with (but I guess I don't want to sink as low as the Barracudas).
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Re: Time to finally take the Ryzen plunge?

Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:55 am

Lowest I'll go these days is WD Blue. Need to make sure you extend the head unload timer though...
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Re: Time to finally take the Ryzen plunge?

Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:32 am

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Lowest I'll go these days is WD Blue. Need to make sure you extend the head unload timer though...

The 4 TB model that contains 3.2E13 writable bits, and has an UBER of <1E14 bits (i.e. not good enough to be rated <1E15 bits) ? Shudders in sysadmin.
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Re: Time to finally take the Ryzen plunge?

Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:24 am

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Lowest I'll go these days is WD Blue. Need to make sure you extend the head unload timer though...

The 4 TB model that contains 3.2E13 writable bits, and has an UBER of <1E14 bits (i.e. not good enough to be rated <1E15 bits) ? Shudders in sysadmin.

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Re: Time to finally take the Ryzen plunge?

Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:29 am

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Ahh, nice to see that Thermalright is still doing the "go big or go home" thing. I had a pair of big solid copper Thermalrights on my dual Socket A system back in the day. Those HSFs weighed more than the motherboard!

I had one of those too, for my Palomino 2100+ (on the OG nForce1). I remember being quite impressed with it. Probably $5 in scrap copper.


As far as HDDs, now that I've got a 2TB SSD for games, I'm happy to be HDD-free in the main rig going forward. I'm surprised you'd want a mechanical drive, as you've got a NAS.
 
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Re: Time to finally take the Ryzen plunge?

Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:44 am

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I'm surprised you'd want a mechanical drive, as you've got a NAS.

I've considered going all SSD, and dismissed it in the past because I wanted at least 2-3 TB local and the cost of doing that with all SSD was prohibitive. My SOP has been a small-ish SSD for boot and applications, and pair of HDDs in RAID-1 for storage.

Larger SSDs are coming down in price enough now that it may be time to reconsider that strategy, especially given that I pay double for the HDD capacity due to the RAID-1.
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