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Upgrading CPU, motherboard & RAM.

Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:20 pm

Hello TR gerbils,

Before I tell the rest of the story, here are my current relevant PC specs.

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K
RAM: 16 GB Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 1600MHz (4x4GB)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-GD65
GPU: GTX 1060 6GB
PSU: Corsair HX750i
SSD: 250GB Crucial MX500 (Boot drive)
HDDs: 1TB Samsung F3, 2TB WD Black, 4TB Toshiba, 320GB WD Blue.

My PC recently has been having some issues. At any random point in time, the PC will seem to be turning off no reason, regardless of usage (idle, browsing, gaming). The issue first seems to pop itself in the form of a failed CPU overclock, which the motherboard points out after failing to start up properly a couple days ago. To note, the CPU was OC'ed to 4.5GHz and running quite smoothly since 2012 where I first got the CPU, motherboard and RAM. After getting the message from the motherboard, I decided to use default BIOS settings for the CPU because I thought the motherboard/CPU could no longer cope with the speed and voltage. However, I've been getting random shutdown afterwards which I assume to be a failing motherboard because AFAIK, this doesn't seem to be the symptom of a failing CPU or RAM sticks. I've also considered this to be a failing PSU but I'm not convinced it's the PSU (at least for now, without testing the PSU with a different system or my current system with a different PSU). Since I assume it is a dying motherboard and I don't think it's wise to buy a replacement, I want to upgrade my CPU, motherboard and RAM.

TLDR #1 - PC shuts down randomly, probably motherboard, therefore I'm thinking of buying new CPU, motherboard and RAM to replace.

What I'm looking to purchase is a modest (cost-wise) modern CPU, motherboard and RAM combo. I'm targeting the i5-9400F CPU, a B360 motherboard and 16GB DDR4 2666MHz (2x8GB). I'm thinking of getting the ASRock B360 Pro4 since it seems decent spec wise and quite good value. I don't have any idea which RAM kits to go for though, so looking for suggestions on that.

TLDR #2 - Want opinions on i5-9400F and Asrock B360 Pro4 combo. Also, suggestion for 16 GB RAM.

Thanks.

EDIT: I should note that this PC is mainly use for gaming and general purpose.
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Re: Upgrading CPU, motherboard & RAM.

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Re: Upgrading CPU, motherboard & RAM.

Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:40 pm

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Re: Upgrading CPU, motherboard & RAM.

Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:47 am

Anyone?
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Re: Upgrading CPU, motherboard & RAM.

Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:41 am

Would a Ryzen 2600 and a B450 motherboard be a reasonable choice? The processor is priced similarly and the motherboard would be less expensive than the Intel option.

Memory prices have come down so that 2x8 GiB of PC4-28800 (DDR4-3600) is priced attractively (US$105 for G.Skill F4-3600C19D-16GSXKB or F4-3600C19D-16GVRB, for example).
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Re: Upgrading CPU, motherboard & RAM.

Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:48 am

PSU could maybe be a cause.

lga 1155 motherboards also seem to be in good supply, maybe just replace the motherboard?

edit just noticed ram was ddr3
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Re: Upgrading CPU, motherboard & RAM.

Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:14 am

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Would a Ryzen 2600 and a B450 motherboard be a reasonable choice? The processor is priced similarly and the motherboard would be less expensive than the Intel option.

Memory prices have come down so that 2x8 GiB of PC4-28800 (DDR4-3600) is priced attractively (US$105 for G.Skill F4-3600C19D-16GSXKB or F4-3600C19D-16GVRB, for example).


Because my personal PC is primarily used for gaming, it seems like Intel is still the better option to go based on quick 20 minutes looking at benchmarks and such. That and the i5-9400F is (significantly enough) cheaper than the Ryzen 2600 that it doesn't seem like the Ryzen 2600 offers better value IMO.

EDIT: Scratch the last sentence. Their prices are quite similar though the i5-9400F is a bit cheaper.

Yeah, I was thinking that it's a waste to get faster kits other than what the CPU/MOBO could handle at stock (which is 2666 MHz AFAIK), but faster kits is not really that more expensive and it's even getting harder to find 2666 MHz below kits. Maybe I should just consider getting faster ones then.

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PSU could maybe be a cause.

lga 1155 motherboards also seem to be in good supply, maybe just replace the motherboard?

edit just noticed ram was ddr3


I've also considered that it may be the PSU but I lean on the motherboard because while the PC turns off randomly, it seems like the video card is still trying to start (if that makes sense) because I can see the LED lighting up. Also, the reason I think it's the motherboard is because I've pushed it a bit hard (OC'ed to 4.5GHz since 2012) and the Corsair HX750i is generally a high quality unit so I doubt it would fail before the motherboard (though it is about 5 years at this point).

On replacing the motherboard, I don't think that's a cost effective solution. I think it's hard to find good enough Z68/Z77 board that is not expensive and can last long enough, so overall not a good long term solution I think.
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Re: Upgrading CPU, motherboard & RAM.

Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:46 am

Sounds more like PSU to me too. Turning off randomly (and not under gaming load) usually means PSU, in my experience. (motherboards i usually see go between 100% alive and 100% dead). Do you have another PSU to test with? I'd def do that first. Worst-case scenario you've bought a nice new PSU that will last you a while.

Dead/dying cap on mobo is also possible I guess, but your board claims all solid Caps so it'd be harder to visually inspect and see a blown/swelling one. Hopefully more knowledgeable ppl can chime in on that.

AsRock hasn't historically been regarded as in the "top tier" (ASUS, gigabyte, MSI) but I've never had a problem with them. If you're going B-series it makes sense to me. Just make sure the RAM is listed on the motherboard's compatible RAM page (on manufacturer's website), & get whatever you can get locally that's from a big vendor (g-skill, corsair, kingston, samsung, etc) . Are you close to Singapore? Lots of computer shops there :)

Note that that specific CPU has no iGPU.
 
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Re: Upgrading CPU, motherboard & RAM.

Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:08 pm

any updates here??
 
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Re: Upgrading CPU, motherboard & RAM.

Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:11 pm

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any updates here??


Not yet. Still don't have enough to replace anything. Hopefully, next month.
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Re: Upgrading CPU, motherboard & RAM.

Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:34 am

EzioAs wrote:
Yeah, I was thinking that it's a waste to get faster kits other than what the CPU/MOBO could handle at stock (which is 2666 MHz AFAIK), but faster kits is not really that more expensive and it's even getting harder to find 2666 MHz below kits. Maybe I should just consider getting faster ones then.


Better pay attention to the RAM's timings. The lower the timings, the lesser the memory latency, giving the CPU more to do with less waiting for data to reach it.
 
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Re: Upgrading CPU, motherboard & RAM.

Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:57 am

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EzioAs wrote:
Yeah, I was thinking that it's a waste to get faster kits other than what the CPU/MOBO could handle at stock (which is 2666 MHz AFAIK), but faster kits is not really that more expensive and it's even getting harder to find 2666 MHz below kits. Maybe I should just consider getting faster ones then.


Better pay attention to the RAM's timings. The lower the timings, the lesser the memory latency, giving the CPU more to do with less waiting for data to reach it.


Yeah, I was thinking of getting a Ryzen 5 3600 with possibly the MSI B450 Tomahawk Max. Already got a 2x8GB Crucial RAM (3200MHz, CL16)
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Re: Upgrading CPU, motherboard & RAM.

Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:53 am

EzioAs wrote:
Hello TR gerbils,

Before I tell the rest of the story, here are my current relevant PC specs.

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K
RAM: 16 GB Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 1600MHz (4x4GB)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-GD65
GPU: GTX 1060 6GB
PSU: Corsair HX750i
SSD: 250GB Crucial MX500 (Boot drive)
HDDs: 1TB Samsung F3, 2TB WD Black, 4TB Toshiba, 320GB WD Blue.

My PC recently has been having some issues. At any random point in time, the PC will seem to be turning off no reason, regardless of usage (idle, browsing, gaming). The issue first seems to pop itself in the form of a failed CPU overclock, which the motherboard points out after failing to start up properly a couple days ago. To note, the CPU was OC'ed to 4.5GHz and running quite smoothly since 2012 where I first got the CPU, motherboard and RAM. After getting the message from the motherboard, I decided to use default BIOS settings for the CPU because I thought the motherboard/CPU could no longer cope with the speed and voltage. However, I've been getting random shutdown afterwards which I assume to be a failing motherboard because AFAIK, this doesn't seem to be the symptom of a failing CPU or RAM sticks. I've also considered this to be a failing PSU but I'm not convinced it's the PSU (at least for now, without testing the PSU with a different system or my current system with a different PSU). Since I assume it is a dying motherboard and I don't think it's wise to buy a replacement, I want to upgrade my CPU, motherboard and RAM.

TLDR #1 - PC shuts down randomly, probably motherboard, therefore I'm thinking of buying new CPU, motherboard and RAM to replace.

What I'm looking to purchase is a modest (cost-wise) modern CPU, motherboard and RAM combo. I'm targeting the i5-9400F CPU, a B360 motherboard and 16GB DDR4 2666MHz (2x8GB). I'm thinking of getting the ASRock B360 Pro4 since it seems decent spec wise and quite good value. I don't have any idea which RAM kits to go for though, so looking for suggestions on that.

TLDR #2 - Want opinions on i5-9400F and Asrock B360 Pro4 combo. Also, suggestion for 16 GB RAM.

Thanks.

EDIT: I should note that this PC is mainly use for gaming and general purpose.



I would remove the CPU heat sink/cooler, clean off the old thermal paste, apply new thermal paste, and reinstall the cooler. Sounds like the symptoms of a typical CPU overheat (or a some other overheat, like the VRM, etc). Removing and reseating the RAM might also be a good idea.
 
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Re: Upgrading CPU, motherboard & RAM.

Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:57 am

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EzioAs wrote:
Hello TR gerbils,

Before I tell the rest of the story, here are my current relevant PC specs.

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K
RAM: 16 GB Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 1600MHz (4x4GB)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-GD65
GPU: GTX 1060 6GB
PSU: Corsair HX750i
SSD: 250GB Crucial MX500 (Boot drive)
HDDs: 1TB Samsung F3, 2TB WD Black, 4TB Toshiba, 320GB WD Blue.

My PC recently has been having some issues. At any random point in time, the PC will seem to be turning off no reason, regardless of usage (idle, browsing, gaming). The issue first seems to pop itself in the form of a failed CPU overclock, which the motherboard points out after failing to start up properly a couple days ago. To note, the CPU was OC'ed to 4.5GHz and running quite smoothly since 2012 where I first got the CPU, motherboard and RAM. After getting the message from the motherboard, I decided to use default BIOS settings for the CPU because I thought the motherboard/CPU could no longer cope with the speed and voltage. However, I've been getting random shutdown afterwards which I assume to be a failing motherboard because AFAIK, this doesn't seem to be the symptom of a failing CPU or RAM sticks. I've also considered this to be a failing PSU but I'm not convinced it's the PSU (at least for now, without testing the PSU with a different system or my current system with a different PSU). Since I assume it is a dying motherboard and I don't think it's wise to buy a replacement, I want to upgrade my CPU, motherboard and RAM.

TLDR #1 - PC shuts down randomly, probably motherboard, therefore I'm thinking of buying new CPU, motherboard and RAM to replace.

What I'm looking to purchase is a modest (cost-wise) modern CPU, motherboard and RAM combo. I'm targeting the i5-9400F CPU, a B360 motherboard and 16GB DDR4 2666MHz (2x8GB). I'm thinking of getting the ASRock B360 Pro4 since it seems decent spec wise and quite good value. I don't have any idea which RAM kits to go for though, so looking for suggestions on that.

TLDR #2 - Want opinions on i5-9400F and Asrock B360 Pro4 combo. Also, suggestion for 16 GB RAM.

Thanks.

EDIT: I should note that this PC is mainly use for gaming and general purpose.



I would remove the CPU heat sink/cooler, clean off the old thermal paste, apply new thermal paste, and reinstall the cooler. Sounds like the symptoms of a typical CPU overheat (or a some other overheat, like the VRM, etc). Removing and reseating the RAM might also be a good idea.


I doubt it's the CPU because it mostly stays around 60c on gaming usage; idle even lower. Already tried with most RAM configs/reseat. Nothing changes.
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Re: Upgrading CPU, motherboard & RAM.

Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:39 pm

Got my PC up and running with the Ryzen 5 3600, MSI B450 Tomahawk Max motherboard and a 16GB Crucial kit. Seems like new system is fine so far. After taking the old motherboard out, I found what seems to be a small burnt trace near an IC above the main PCIe (x16) slot, so I'm guessing it's the main cause of the random shutdowns. Already got a quote for how much it would cost to repair (around $30-$50), and I think it's worth it because I do want to use the old CPU, RAM & motherboard in some ways. Picture of the old motherboard available below.

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Re: Upgrading CPU, motherboard & RAM.

Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:16 pm

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Already got a quote for how much it would cost to repair (around $30-$50),

I suppose MSI will repair that? Or some third party? If the latter, would love to know how they do that. I mean, the trace looks pretty damaged. They will put in a new trace? Or bypass it with something like a trace cable?
 
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Re: Upgrading CPU, motherboard & RAM.

Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:24 pm

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EzioAs wrote:
Already got a quote for how much it would cost to repair (around $30-$50),

I suppose MSI will repair that? Or some third party? If the latter, would love to know how they do that. I mean, the trace looks pretty damaged. They will put in a new trace? Or bypass it with something like a trace cable?


Third party repair service. I'll still ask him for some more details this Saturday, but he doesn't seem to say that it can't be (easily) fixed so far.
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Re: Upgrading CPU, motherboard & RAM.

Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:46 pm

It is not even clear from that whether the trace that blew is on the top layer or not. Could be an inner layer (in which case the board is probably not worth repairing).
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Re: Upgrading CPU, motherboard & RAM.

Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:28 pm

I would not expect a 3rd party repair service to be able to handle that.
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Re: Upgrading CPU, motherboard & RAM.

Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:43 pm

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I would not expect a 3rd party repair service to be able to handle that.

Looks like they might even be high speed differential pairs, so even if they are on the top layer it could be iffy.
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Re: Upgrading CPU, motherboard & RAM.

Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:50 pm

Since you can’t buy an Asus P8Z77M Pro anymore, you should probably just write off your LGA1155 motherboard and DDR3 modules. Sell them on the secondary market if you like.
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