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GPU, RAM and MB upgrade

Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:54 am

Hello everyone, need some help from the gerbils hive-mind.

Today my specs are

Ryzen 5 1500X
8GB 2400MHZ RAM
Gigabyte B350 Gaming (Just gaming, not gaming 3) (Also, don't like the audio on this board)
GTX 1050 2GB
Crucial MX100 500GB (5 years and going strong)

I just bought a 29" Ultrawide LG monitor (29UM69G) so i'll start playing on 2560x1080 resolution next week.
I want to upgrade my video card to a 1660 Ti, to better handle the new resolution, and though about also upgrading the RAM and MB

My budget is around $450-475 and my list so far is:

Gigabyte X370 Gaming 3
EVGA 1660 Ti Black
Patriot Viper 4 3000MHZ 16GB (2x8GB)

Here are the questions:

1. Am I gonna be bottlenecked by the ryzen 1500X?
2. Can I run the RAM @ 2933 on the new MB / ryzen 1500x combo? (A lot of mixed results on google)
3. Any other sugestions for the MB? (Around $100)
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Re: GPU, RAM and MB upgrade

Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:49 am

The 1500X should be perfectly fine if you are going up in resolution but not in refresh rate. Your card would be faster on a 2600X and even faster on a 9900K, but the difference is likely to be modest and not worth the $$$. You'd probably need at least a 2600X to notice the difference and even then it would probably make more sense to buy a 2060 instead of a CPU+GPU upgrade. In any case, you can always try a mild OC and see what you gain before you decide.

I would opt for a B450 board or, even better, a B550 board if you can wait until Zen 2 launch. The 550 will have PCIe 4.0 and be forward-looking. The 350/450 boards are usually around the $100 mark and I don't see the point of going for the 370/470 in your case.

You should be able to coax 2933 or at least 2800 from cheap (not samsung B-die) RAM, especially if you are buying single-rank, which most 8GB modules are. Will definitely need tuning to achieve this but it's usually doable. Use the DRAM calculator for Ryzen if you don't know where to start with the settings. I managed 2933 on 16GB dual-rank cheap modules before the AGESA/BIOS fixes, today almost all boards/BIOSes and modules can do that. Note: the increase from 2400 --> 2900 is significant in CPU perf, especially if you optimize the timings.
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Re: GPU, RAM and MB upgrade

Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:51 am

My brother has that same monitor and gets great frame rates with his RX480 (equiv to GTX1060 6GB) and i5-4690K. Since the monitor's max refresh rate is 75Hz, having a great deal more power than that may be a waste for today's games. That said, a GTX1660Ti will have a decent amount of extra power to be able to max out your monitor for the forseeable future. Make sure you enable FreeSync and enable a frame rate cap to save power/heat/noise in less demanding games.

No need to upgrade your mobo. If you hate the onboard audio (this may require further discussion), you could consider a $30 discrete audio card.

Getting 2x8GB DDR4-3000 will be a nice bump compared to what you have. Costs about $75

Ryzen 3xxx CPUs launch in July. Wait till then to consider a CPU or mobo upgrade.
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Re: GPU, RAM and MB upgrade

Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:13 am

If audio is the only thing you don't like about the motherboard you have now, why not get a sound card like the Xonar DG? I don't see why you would want a new motherboard :-/

YMMV on the ram speed with the 1st gen Ryzen CPU. I have the 1600x and I was only able to get 2666MHZ stable. Still, going from 2100 (default setting) to 2666 boosted my cinebench score by 12%.

I'm cheap so I'd just get a $30 sound card, $40 for an extra ram stick to match what you have and the $289 1660 ti or $339 2060 and call it a day :D
 
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Re: GPU, RAM and MB upgrade

Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:28 pm

If it were me, I'd upgrade the GPU, throw in another 8GB of RAM, and get an external DAC for sound. Changing motherboards is a PITA for very little benefit.
 
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Re: GPU, RAM and MB upgrade

Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:35 pm

Don't change your motherboard just to buy one with a different sound chip - use the built-in DAC of your new LG 29UM69G monitor. I did that with a similar LG in the past and found the audio quality to be much cleaner than my on-board Realtek DAC, and not far off the quality of the $200 audiophile-grade DAC I now use. It'll cost you nothing to try that out, and if you want audio-in as well as audio-out, you should probably just get a USB gaming headset instead. Fifty bucks or so will get you something from Corsair/Logitech that has a much better soundcard built into them than anything on a motherboard, period.

Your MSI B350 board is fine. The most recent motherboard BIOS will be all you need to get the most out of your 1500X's integrated memory controller, and it's the CPU's luck in the silicon lottery that has the most influence on RAM speeds. Don't bother changing the RAM, though; Just do what others are suggesting and buying another 8GB of 2400 stuff to compliment the existing stick(s). You'll save $50 which you should put into getting a 2060 over the 1660Ti. It'll be more of a boost than changing from 2400 RAM to 2933 for sure.

The 1500X is also fine. Sure, some games will run faster on a 9700K at 5GHz but with only a 75Hz refresh rate, that's $1000 you don't need to spend. I'm running a similarly-performing i7-4790 or i7-3770 depending on which room I'm in and neither CPU is remotely the bottleneck for 60Hz/75Hz gaming.
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Re: GPU, RAM and MB upgrade

Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:12 pm

Just to throw it out there, in addition to the RyZen 3000 series launching soon, it sounds like Navi GPUs are close-ish. You may want to sit tight until they do: even if you don't get one, there's a good chance that prices of other GPUs will come down in response.
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Re: GPU, RAM and MB upgrade

Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:50 pm

Thanks for the help guys. I'm not gonna upgrade the MB, and i'll look into sound cards.
For the memory, I'm thinking of buying the 16gb viper sticks and then just selling the 8gb i have now.
I'll save the 100 bucks from the motherboard and put it in the ryzen 3 piggy bank.
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