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Retro Build

Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:07 pm

Hey gerbils,

I'm currently working on PGA370 build for a linux system to mess around with and need a little bit of help selecting parts. This platform outdates my interest in building computers by a fair bit, so sorry in advance for the stupid questions to follow. Here's what I have so far as a list:

    CPU: 2x Pentium III-S 1.4 GHz Tualatin
    CPU Coolers: ???
    Mobo: Tyan Tiger 200T s2505T (Dual Socket; VIA Apollo Pro133T chipset)
    RAM: ??
    GPU: A PCI gpu with digital video out
    PSU: RM 750
    Case: whatever cheap case I come across
    Storage: IDE -> SATA adapter and a generic 320 GB 2.5" hard drive I have lying around
    OS: Debian Stretch (won't be run with a GUI)

The only thing on that list set in stone is the motherboard currently. Now here the questions I have for y'all:

Is there anything I should look for on CPU coolers? I know on older platforms not all mounting systems were equal.
The motherboard manual says "At least one non-registered, unbuffered DIMM must be installed in order to POST". Does this mean I have to run 3 sticks of registered SDRAM and 1 unregistered stick to boot?
Will 25A on the 5v rail of the PSU be enough for this build?
Do y'all have any other thoughts/suggestions?

Thanks.
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Re: Retro Build

Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:44 pm

Well looking at the board manual, it may not support that 1.4Tul chip as the jumper setting don't seem to include it. Tul support was a very late thing to support and a lot of 370 boards don't. For the memory it just means that's the min you need to post, it supports both types. The 25A on the PSU is very low, most of the PSUs had 35A+ on both the 3.3v and the 5v rails 12V wasn't used very much back then. You will have to see if it has enough grunt to power it up.
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Re: Retro Build

Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:53 pm

Wow time really flies. It seems like it was only yesterday that I created this posted the OP. :o

The Tyan Tiger S200T arrived in immaculate condition with its original box and all accessories. It seems fairly likely that this board was bought by a business as a spare server board to keep on hand. There are no obvious cap issues on the board luckily. As a aside, the Apollo Pro133T chipset is an update to the Pro133A to add support for Tualatins, and this board itself was a refresh of the S200 (s2505) to add Tualatin support.

I also bought a used Thermaltake Toughpower 1000A to power the system. It has 30A ratings on both 3.3V and 5v and has a floppy power connector, so it should be good enough for this.

I'll be picking up 4 GB of registered ECC PC133 ram, two 1.4 GHz Tuals, a PCI HD 3450, a Creative Soundblaster PCI card, and a older case to round off the build soon.

Here are some pics of the mobo for everyone's enjoyment:
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Re: Retro Build

Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:54 pm

Wow, gorgeous board. They don't make them like they used to!
 
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Re: Retro Build

Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:45 pm

I had a Tyan Trinity 400 board back in the day, which had both Slot-1 and Socket-370. Great piece of electronics and I was disappointed when Tyan left the consumer market a few years later.
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Re: Retro Build

Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:30 pm

Is that an ISA slot? I haven’t seen one of those in years.
 
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Re: Retro Build

Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:38 pm

And IDE connectors, and floppy drives... :-)
 
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Re: Retro Build

Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:34 pm

No AGP slot, retro is right.

Got a screen pic for us yet?
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Re: Retro Build

Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:55 pm

I replaced all of my 256k cache Tualatin Celerons 10 years ago when StarMicro dropped their price for brand new 512k cache PIII-S 1400 to US$6 each to clear them out (the price stayed there for over a year on Pricewatch, so nobody wanted them). The whole batch I got was a matching lot, but then I only have one dual board, which happily ran different-speed CPUs at the same time. Most of them went into BX chipset boards at 1575MHz so I had to make sure they were each equipped with 100MHz-AGP capable cards and only 768MB of PC150 capable SDR.

The PIII-S 1400 came out in 2002 so at the time was only a 7-year old chip, same as an Ivy Bridge chip, or Bulldozer AM3+ is today

I had a 32-bit PCI-bus HD5450 that worked fine in XP but bluescreened Windows 7 with a atikmdag.sys error every time the drivers loaded (perhaps the driver has to be written with the bridge chip in mind, as my AGP HD4650 also only ever worked with hotfixed drivers). But then with no SSE2 you can't run Win7 anyway after the Mar2018 updates, or for that matter Firefox, Chrome, Flash, Office 2013+, etc. In comparison the GeForce 6200 PCI ran flawlessly but is only fixed-function T&L with no hardware acceleration of H.264 videos. Are linux drivers for the VLIW ATIs any better nowadays?

And official drivers for SB Live! have severe issues if above 2GB of system RAM. SB Audigy is good to 4GB. Of course, SB 16 or AWE32/AWE64 on ISA are the most compatible.

I suggest a pair of Alpha Pep66 or the larger PAL series to look right on that board.
 
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Re: Retro Build

Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:32 pm

anotherengineer wrote:
No AGP slot, retro is right.

Got a screen pic for us yet?

A higher end model from Tyan had an AGP slot; this board was made as late as 2002.

I need to get the rest of the parts before you all get some screen pics. :lol:

bfg-9000 wrote:
Are linux drivers for the VLIW ATIs any better nowadays?

And official drivers for SB Live! have severe issues if above 2GB of system RAM. SB Audigy is good to 4GB. Of course, SB 16 or AWE32/AWE64 on ISA are the most compatible.

I suggest a pair of Alpha Pep66 or the larger PAL series to look right on that board.

I will be running mostly in command line only, so I'm not too concerned about the VLIW driver state. The only reason I'm going with the HD 3450 is because I need something capable giving digital video out to my 2560x1080 monitor and Nvidia's modern PCI cards are nowhere to be found right now.

Thanks for the tip on the audio card. I was looking at getting an Soundblaster X-Fi if I can find one, since Soundblasters appear to have the best Linux support.

The Alpha Pep66 looks really cool, but it looks like I'll be stuck with the Antec 370FC-PGA (77052). I'll keep looking for better coolers though.
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