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New build - who dis?

Sun May 12, 2019 12:20 pm

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Howdy howdy - My existing build in my signature has now made loud popping noises during waking from sleep that I can only assume are caps blowing. I cannot see or smell anything despite looking diligently but the guts of my machine while serviceable to date, are starting to show their age in newer games. While I can afford to splurge if I wanted to ala 9900K, that seems frivolous to me for most things. I'm opting to keep my existing case and video card (Corsair 600T graphite and 1080 respectively) and my goals for this build are primarily as an entertainment machine in the form of gaming and streaming (at the same time, often). My current rig struggles to let me play the latest games AND stream on my second monitor at the same time, which I like to do. There's nothing like decapitating your foes in Mordhau (a blast, really) while Sir David Attenborough berates us for the destruction of our planet on Netflix.

I game at 1440p on my primary monitor, and stream 720p until I get Win10 on my home machine and can download the new Edge that allows for greater bitrates. I have a Gsync monitor if that matters, and prefer to keep it at 120/144hz when possible along with gsync on and my FPS above 60fps at all times. Are there any issues with Ryzen boards and Nvidia cards these days?

Anywho, It's been a while since I've chosen AMD for myself, not since the Barton 2500+ days. To that end though, the cost differences relative to performance seem to make it an easy choice for me. PCPartPicker makes compatibility a non-issue these days but it did remark that the Pinnacle Ridge CPUs may not work in the motherboard I've chosen due to a necessary Bios flash. Given the age of the product to date, I would think this isn't an issue anymore. Can anyone confirm? I'm choosing to buy via Amazon so that I can give TR a little cash via their affiliate link if I can, but also because I have Prime and some points to spend there that will knock off a few hundred bucks. Thanks for your time, please comment with anything you'd change.

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Re: New build - who dis?

Sun May 12, 2019 12:52 pm

I'm not saying a 2700X is a bad pick at all, but in TR's most recent CPU review that includes gaming + streaming, the Intel CPUs still kinda rule the roost. Even an 8700K beat the 2700X (not to mention the 9900K/9700K).

https://techreport.com/review/34192/int ... eviewed/13

As for your proposed parts, I'd personally upgrade that motherboard if it were me. 50 bucks is really cheap and chances are they are some parts on there that they cheaped out on.
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Re: New build - who dis?

Sun May 12, 2019 12:54 pm

Can you hold out for Ryzen 5 3600X or Ryzen 7 3700X to arrive?
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Re: New build - who dis?

Sun May 12, 2019 2:18 pm

DancinJack wrote:
I'm not saying a 2700X is a bad pick at all, but in TR's most recent CPU review that includes gaming + streaming, the Intel CPUs still kinda rule the roost. Even an 8700K beat the 2700X (not to mention the 9900K/9700K).

https://techreport.com/review/34192/int ... eviewed/13

As for your proposed parts, I'd personally upgrade that motherboard if it were me. 50 bucks is really cheap and chances are they are some parts on there that they cheaped out on.



Dunno how that happened, that was not the motherboard I had intended to select (it's microATX even) I've corrected it here, good catch. https://imgur.com/a/YRU3vLe
 
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Re: New build - who dis?

Sun May 12, 2019 2:20 pm

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Can you hold out for Ryzen 5 3600X or Ryzen 7 3700X to arrive?


Doubtful if only because I'm never one to be a day-1 adopter of the bleeding edge, but more importantly the pops I hard could be total system failure any day. Might also last years, who can say.
 
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Re: New build - who dis?

Sun May 12, 2019 2:22 pm

I'd wait for Ryzen 3xxx to come out. Some rumors are still saying there might be a Ryzen 3900 with 16 cores. With 16 cores, you should really be able to multitask (game + stream) without worries.

At the very least, the release of Ryzen 3xxx should cause prices of Ryzen 2xxx to fall.

If you absolutely can't wait, then try buying a sufficiently high-end B450 or X470 motherboard that will support Ryzen 3rd gen when it comes out. Ryzen 3xxx will take the same socket as Ryzen 2xxx, but not every 2xxx board (e.g. B450, X470) will support Ryzen 3xxx, purportedly because of power delivery issues. So a high-end B450 or X470 board that supports overclocking ought to be a safe choice. Here is an article about which boards have gotten BIOS updates so far to support the new Ryzens. And here is a list of every single Asus motherboard that has gotten a BIOS update to support Ryzen 3rd gen.

So if you have to buy now, try an Asus board with the cheapest Ryzen CPU you can find. Then, when 3xxx comes out, you can either upgrade to the 3xxx, or else upgrade to a 2xxx whose price has just fallen.

Maybe try a cheap Ryzen APU? That way, you can keep your graphics card in your current system and keep using it while you get the new Ryzen system all set up. Once you're satisfied that your new system is all set up (Windows, drivers, etc.), you can swap the graphics card. Then, when Ryzen 3xxx comes out, upgrade the CPU.
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Re: New build - who dis?

Sun May 12, 2019 2:26 pm

Update: So the MSI B450 Tomahawk says this about its latest BIOS update: "Support new upcoming AMD cpu."

So you should be good. My suggestion, then, is that instead of getting a Ryzen 7 2700X, you get a Ryzen 3 2200G for $200 less and wait for Ryzen 3xxx to come out.

And then, with that Ryzen 3 2200G, you can get an ITX board and build a friend a nice little but powerful computer.
 
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Re: New build - who dis?

Sun May 12, 2019 3:12 pm

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Update: So the MSI B450 Tomahawk says this about its latest BIOS update: "Support new upcoming AMD cpu."

So you should be good. My suggestion, then, is that instead of getting a Ryzen 7 2700X, you get a Ryzen 3 2200G for $200 less and wait for Ryzen 3xxx to come out.

And then, with that Ryzen 3 2200G, you can get an ITX board and build a friend a nice little but powerful computer.


I really liked this suggestion, and I think this is what I'm going with. While the prospect of a wash on the cpu (maybe a smidge of an upgrade over my current i5) doesn't thrill me, the payoff in the months to come for a 3700x is hopefully worth it. Thanks for the idea and the research on the bios stuff!
 
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Re: New build - who dis?

Sun May 12, 2019 3:45 pm

I also totally dig that idea, assuming you have a need for the mini-ITX machine.
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Re: New build - who dis?

Sun May 12, 2019 5:38 pm

I'm glad I helped!

The one downside is that even though the Ryzen 3xxx has PCIe 4.0, on an old motherboard (X470, B450), only the graphics card slot will be 4.0. To use the rest of the 4.0 channels from the Ryzen 3xxx, yoi need whatever new motherboard chipset will come out.

Of course, if you went with a Ryzen 7 2700X, you wouldn't get any PCIe 4.0 anyway.
 
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Re: New build - who dis?

Sun May 12, 2019 7:51 pm

Oh, one thing just occurred to me: you should probably get a new PSU.

First, those pops you are hearing could be coming from the PSU.

And even if they aren't, the old PSU is getting old, and it probably isn't as good at delivering clean power as it was when it was new. Either that PSU is dying, or it's going to die someday. Either way, you don't want it to kill your new system.

I've seen too many people on computer forums who killed their new systems because they tried to transplant a PSU from their old system. Not worth the risk.
 
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Re: New build - who dis?

Sun May 12, 2019 8:29 pm

If you do decide to buy a new power supply, take a look at SeaSonic's Focus Plus line. They're not as deep as some enthusiast power supplies, which leaves more room in your case for other things.
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Re: New build - who dis?

Tue May 14, 2019 6:45 am

mikewinddale wrote:
Oh, one thing just occurred to me: you should probably get a new PSU.

First, those pops you are hearing could be coming from the PSU.

And even if they aren't, the old PSU is getting old, and it probably isn't as good at delivering clean power as it was when it was new. Either that PSU is dying, or it's going to die someday. Either way, you don't want it to kill your new system.

I've seen too many people on computer forums who killed their new systems because they tried to transplant a PSU from their old system. Not worth the risk.


Yep a new PSU was in my build as well. I put everything in yesterday, powered it on and installed Win10 64 pro without issue. Downloaded my drivers again, flashed the bios to latest in preparation for 3xxxx and now my wait begins. The cpu is a downgrade at the moment but so far not really noticeable. My 2500K might be nearing 10 years old but I had it at 4.4ghz for years. I'll probably try to overclock the 2200g when I get home today, didn't get much chance to mess with it last night. I noticed my PC3000 ram is only running at like 1066 or abouts according to cpu-z, so not sure what that's about. Pretty sure cpu-z reports it at the non-ddr rate but still, that's nearly 1000 off the advertised mark.

I completely took apart my last mobo and components and couldn't see a single sign of burst caps, scorch marks, or anything. And I don't want to take apart the PSU, not my area of expertise but I know enough to not screw with it.
 
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Re: New build - who dis?

Tue May 14, 2019 7:01 am

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I'm glad I helped!

The one downside is that even though the Ryzen 3xxx has PCIe 4.0, on an old motherboard (X470, B450), only the graphics card slot will be 4.0. To use the rest of the 4.0 channels from the Ryzen 3xxx, yoi need whatever new motherboard chipset will come out.

Of course, if you went with a Ryzen 7 2700X, you wouldn't get any PCIe 4.0 anyway.

Does 4.0 really matter in real-world consumer desktop scenarios yet? Sure, it's a bit of future-proofing, but I suspect most people won't really notice a difference over the life of the system.
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Re: New build - who dis?

Tue May 14, 2019 8:52 am

I would wait until Zen-2 based Ryzens to come out since they are literately around the corner. If you go Intel route you should see some price cuts on some of their SKUs. 9900K is difficult to recommend for Intel side unless you want effortless 5.0Ghz (Most Coffee Lake R silicon can hit that with some effort) or absolutely need HT. 8700K and 9700K are somewhat more sensible buys. 9600K is an overlooked underdog if you are trying to budget. On the AMD side if you need to get something today. Try to shoot for a 2700K and 2600K which are unrivaled in the price/performance ratios. Threadrippers are overkill for a multi-media/gaming build unless you want to go nuts with SSD media via PCIe.
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Re: New build - who dis?

Tue May 14, 2019 9:26 am

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Yep a new PSU was in my build as well. I put everything in yesterday, powered it on and installed Win10 64 pro without issue. Downloaded my drivers again, flashed the bios to latest in preparation for 3xxxx and now my wait begins. The cpu is a downgrade at the moment but so far not really noticeable. My 2500K might be nearing 10 years old but I had it at 4.4ghz for years. I'll probably try to overclock the 2200g when I get home today, didn't get much chance to mess with it last night. I noticed my PC3000 ram is only running at like 1066 or abouts according to cpu-z, so not sure what that's about. Pretty sure cpu-z reports it at the non-ddr rate but still, that's nearly 1000 off the advertised mark.

I completely took apart my last mobo and components and couldn't see a single sign of burst caps, scorch marks, or anything. And I don't want to take apart the PSU, not my area of expertise but I know enough to not screw with it.

It's like the subsequent posts don't even read the posts before them. RTFM (and in this case, thread).
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Re: New build - who dis?

Tue May 14, 2019 9:54 am

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mikewinddale wrote:
I'm glad I helped!

The one downside is that even though the Ryzen 3xxx has PCIe 4.0, on an old motherboard (X470, B450), only the graphics card slot will be 4.0. To use the rest of the 4.0 channels from the Ryzen 3xxx, yoi need whatever new motherboard chipset will come out.

Of course, if you went with a Ryzen 7 2700X, you wouldn't get any PCIe 4.0 anyway.

Does 4.0 really matter in real-world consumer desktop scenarios yet? Sure, it's a bit of future-proofing, but I suspect most people won't really notice a difference over the life of the system.

No, it doesn't. PCIe 3.0 doesn't matter for GPUs either, and even if a card/situation arose where it did, the CPU on the old 2.0 board would be a limitation before the interface would. Not sure why folks are so frequently worried about PCIe version numbers.
 
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Re: New build - who dis?

Thu May 16, 2019 9:57 am

Well I managed to slog through the options in the bios to find that I can manually set my RAM timings and frequency, which I happily did and am now getting the 3000 that I paid for. Sadly, I cannot overclock because the multiplier is locked, but no matter, this chip will soon be replaced I hope. Now we play the waiting game. Thanks all!
 
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Re: New build - who dis?

Sun May 19, 2019 11:42 am

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I'm choosing to buy via Amazon so that I can give TR a little cash via their affiliate link if I can

How do I get that affiliate link thing into my URLs? Must I click on an ad on the site?
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Re: New build - who dis?

Sun May 19, 2019 11:55 am

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steelcity_ballin wrote:
I'm choosing to buy via Amazon so that I can give TR a little cash via their affiliate link if I can

How do I get that affiliate link thing into my URLs? Must I click on an ad on the site?

TR (the site) adds it to most links. Here is the text of a link or two i'll put in here and we'll see if it does it like it should.
https://www.newegg.com/core-i9-9th-gen-intel-core-i9-9900k/p/N82E16819117957
https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i9-9900K-Desktop-Processor-Unlocked/dp/B005404P9I

https://www.newegg.com/core-i9-9th-gen- ... 6819117957 (hover this link and check your browser - or copy/paste to check out the full link text)
https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i9-9900K-D ... B005404P9I
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Re: New build - who dis?

Mon May 20, 2019 9:50 am

DancinJack wrote:
Flying Fox wrote:
steelcity_ballin wrote:
I'm choosing to buy via Amazon so that I can give TR a little cash via their affiliate link if I can

How do I get that affiliate link thing into my URLs? Must I click on an ad on the site?

TR (the site) adds it to most links. Here is the text of a link or two i'll put in here and we'll see if it does it like it should.
https://www.newegg.com/core-i9-9th-gen-intel-core-i9-9900k/p/N82E16819117957
https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i9-9900K-Desktop-Processor-Unlocked/dp/B005404P9I

https://www.newegg.com/core-i9-9th-gen- ... 6819117957 (hover this link and check your browser - or copy/paste to check out the full link text)
https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i9-9900K-D ... B005404P9I

I tried in preview and my link got tagged. Thanks! :)
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