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Upgrading an Ivy Bridge Sytem

Mon May 17, 2021 1:24 pm

I haven't built a new system in years. I currently use an IvyBridge I3 to game with, nothing thats even remotely recent in games, Guild Wars 2 and the original Guild Wars.

What should i be looking at for newer CPU/Mobo/RAM options. I'd probably keep all the rest of the existing components.
I usually buy mid range components, so nothing to cutting edge is necessary.


Alternatively, I could always get an Ivy 5 or Ivy 7 if it seems more plausible.
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Re: Upgrading an Ivy Bridge Sytem

Mon May 17, 2021 4:09 pm

Unless you are able to snag a higher-tier Socket 1155 chip on the cheap. I would recommend getting a newer platform and CPU as you would get access to DDR4 and M.2 Express slots.
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Re: Upgrading an Ivy Bridge Sytem

Mon May 17, 2021 4:18 pm

What's the reason for the upgrade?

Krogoth wrote:
you would get access to DDR4 and M.2 Express slots.

...and mainly, a faster CPU.

Random recent summaries:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/9793/best-cpus
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15896/be ... therboards
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12072/best-motherboards
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Re: Upgrading an Ivy Bridge Sytem

Mon May 17, 2021 4:20 pm

Krogoth wrote:
Unless you are able to snag a higher-tier Socket 1155 chip on the cheap. I would recommend getting a newer platform and CPU as you would get access to DDR4 and M.2 Express slots.




I found a new I5 3570K for $90 at Newegg


My big question is what should I be looking at for newer CPU/mobo/RAM combo's?
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Re: Upgrading an Ivy Bridge Sytem

Mon May 17, 2021 4:21 pm

meerkt wrote:
What's the reason for the upgrade?

Krogoth wrote:
you would get access to DDR4 and M.2 Express slots.

...and mainly, a faster CPU.



It feels tired, its at least 8 years old if not 10. I don't think I need to replace the all the components.
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Re: Upgrading an Ivy Bridge Sytem

Mon May 17, 2021 4:25 pm

See above links for a possible place to start the research.

$90 for an i5-3570K seems like a waste of money. If it was $20, maybe.
If buying used, I'd want to at least get some new features (USB3, NVMe, PCIe version...), and jump a few years ahead.

BTW, if you don't have one, get an SSD.
 
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Re: Upgrading an Ivy Bridge Sytem

Mon May 17, 2021 9:24 pm

Ryzen 5 5600X, 3600 or Core i5-11400. Surprisingly enough, it's Intel that has the best value at the cheap end and AMD that dominates performance at the high end.
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Re: Upgrading an Ivy Bridge Sytem

Tue May 18, 2021 8:51 am

JustAnEngineer wrote:
Ryzen 5 5600X, 3600 or Core i5-11400. Surprisingly enough, it's Intel that has the best value at the cheap end and AMD that dominates performance at the high end.
DDR4-3600 memory. B550 motherboard.


The I5-11400 over the Intel Core i5-10600KF?


I understand the 11400 is 11th gen as opposed to 10th gen
the 2.6 vs 4.1base clock speed is a big difference.
I more than likely wont overclock the the difference is base speed and turbo between the 2 is significant.
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Re: Upgrading an Ivy Bridge Sytem

Tue May 18, 2021 10:52 am

If you're concerned about the base clock you can always get a board capable of running PL2 forever.
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Re: Upgrading an Ivy Bridge Sytem

Tue May 18, 2021 10:58 am

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If you're concerned about the base clock you can always get a board capable of running PL2 forever.



I have no idea what that means.
I stopped paying attention to computer tech a decade ago.

I did look it up
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Re: Upgrading an Ivy Bridge Sytem

Tue May 18, 2021 11:43 am

Base clock is mostly a suggestion on desktop platforms if you want the CPU to respect its rated TDP. Turbo-boosting (enabled by default) pushes far beyond that and will never exceed 4.1Ghz max. The CPU should be able to handle 4.1GHz just fine on vast majority of motherboards out there. You only need crazy, overengineered SKUs if you want to do north of 4.5Ghz sustained on Rocket and Comet Lake chips.
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Re: Upgrading an Ivy Bridge Sytem

Tue May 18, 2021 2:46 pm

Another guide you might find useful from a former TR Gerbil:

https://hothardware.com/reviews/build-a-pc-with-hothardwares-system-guide

Unfortunately, the one component that would make the biggest difference as far as gaming performance goes is also the one that's pretty much unobtainium these days: the GPU. Between the silicon shortage, crypto, and the bot-scalpers the darn things are either out of stock, stupidly over-priced, or both.
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Re: Upgrading an Ivy Bridge Sytem

Tue May 18, 2021 3:00 pm

K-L-Waster wrote:
Another guide you might find useful from a former TR Gerbil:

https://hothardware.com/reviews/build-a-pc-with-hothardwares-system-guide

Unfortunately, the one component that would make the biggest difference as far as gaming performance goes is also the one that's pretty much unobtainium these days: the GPU. Between the silicon shortage, crypto, and the bot-scalpers the darn things are either out of stock, stupidly over-priced, or both.


No kidding, even ancient SKUs are commanding insane prices. I have seen RX480-580 going for $299+ on the used market, far more than their original MSRP price. Craziness.
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Re: Upgrading an Ivy Bridge Sytem

Wed May 19, 2021 8:36 am

So I'm wondering about these components.

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813119372 //ASUS PRIME Z590-P LGA 1200 Intel Z590 SATA 6Gb/s ATX Intel Motherboard

I've mostly used ASUS boards, any others Ive tried in the past havent been stable or reliable as them.

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-11 ... 6819118241

11th Gen

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-10 ... 6819118129

10th Gen

https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-16gb-2 ... 6820164176 //Crucial Ballistix 3200 MHz DDR4 DRAM Desktop Gaming Memory Kit 16GB (8GBx2) CL16 BL2K8G32C16U4B (BLACK)

Been using Crucial and GSkill mostly

Again , its been almost a decade since I put a system together, why, I'm asking for opinions

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Re: Upgrading an Ivy Bridge Sytem

Wed May 19, 2021 2:54 pm

The attraction of Z- series motherboards is they are overclockable, compared to the B- class motherboards that are not. So if you are going to spend the extra money to get a Z- class motherboard, you really should pair it with a K- series CPU chip that is also overclockable.

So I wouldn't recommend getting a 11400 (or a 10400) and pairing it with a Z- motherboard, as the --400 chips are locked.

To fit in the budget you seem to be going for, I would either get the 10600K and find a Z-490 motherboard (not sure if the Z-590 will work with a 10th gen CPU...) OR get the 11400 and find a B- series motherboard instead. Of the two, I think the 10th gen will probably be the better choice. There isn't a lot of performance benefit for going 11th vs. 10th (literally the only difference is the clock speeds) and a --600K chip is definitely a better performer than a --400 chip.
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Re: Upgrading an Ivy Bridge Sytem

Wed May 19, 2021 3:42 pm

K-L-Waster wrote:
The attraction of Z- series motherboards is they are overclockable, compared to the B- class motherboards that are not. So if you are going to spend the extra money to get a Z- class motherboard, you really should pair it with a K- series CPU chip that is also overclockable.

So I wouldn't recommend getting a 11400 (or a 10400) and pairing it with a Z- motherboard, as the --400 chips are locked.

To fit in the budget you seem to be going for, I would either get the 10600K and find a Z-490 motherboard (not sure if the Z-590 will work with a 10th gen CPU...) OR get the 11400 and find a B- series motherboard instead. Of the two, I think the 10th gen will probably be the better choice. There isn't a lot of performance benefit for going 11th vs. 10th (literally the only difference is the clock speeds) and a --600K chip is definitely a better performer than a --400 chip.


Z-series also have XMP and RAID support on PCH if you really need those options.
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Re: Upgrading an Ivy Bridge Sytem

Thu May 20, 2021 5:18 am

AMD Ryzen 5 5600X:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/g94BD3 ... 0000065box
A CPU with 12 threads hits the sweet spot for performance with currently-available games.

Asus TUF Gaming B550M-Plus WiFi:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HjQfrH ... plus-wi-fi
Plenty of features in a micro-ATX motherboard.

2x16 GiB PC4-28800:
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memor ... ,32&page=1
DDR4-3600 is a good choice for Ryzen 3000 and 5000 series CPUs since the internal Infinity Fabric can speed up to match at a 1:1 ratio at this speed. Once you enable DOCP in Asus' UEFI BIOS, you're all set. I'm using Crucial Ballistix DDR4-3600 at 16-18-18-38 with no complaints.
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