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Klopsik206 wrote:Why can't more people be like you? /rhetoricalWhat I plan to use it for:
- moderate gaming (no plans for SLI nor crossfire )
Klopsik206 wrote:I foresee needing more HDDs down the road?- home media hub (including some media coding)
Klopsik206 wrote:Not going to happen sorry. Nehalem is end of this year.Longetivity
I hope it will stay for some years to come.
Klopsik206 wrote:Less efficient as in the games are not using the extra cores right now? Well, they will eventually so as a "future proof" thing and if budget allows, the quad is the one to get.My understanding is quad core is more future proof, although it may be slightly less efficient right now than dual core (especially in gaming).
Klopsik206 wrote:If you are thinking that, then I would suggest you get a cheap (or relatively cheap) dual core, like a E2xxx or a E4xxx, then upgrade to a Yorkfield quad (Q9xxx) after Nehalem is released, the later you can stretch this out the better. I am thinking Q1/Q2 2009.- Possibly will upgrade to new Peryn CPU in the future
Klopsik206 wrote:Should be plenty.- Corsair 520HX PSU (should be enough, right?)
Klopsik206 wrote:All PATA? Remember modern boards only have 1 IDE channels for 2 devices, and it is not built into the chipset either.- Plextor DVD burner
- Seagate 7200.9 250GB HDD
Klopsik206 wrote:If you want to save some money and will not be using 6 SATA devices or RAID, then the DS3L is the cheaper version.Mobo: Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3P (rev 3.3)
Klopsik206 wrote:I can see a E4500 or the E2160/E2180 "mildly overclocked" to 3GHz holding be enough to hold you over for a year or so, before upgrading to a Q9xxx quad.CPU: Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 2,40 GHz
Klopsik206 wrote:Whichever is cheapest I guess?RAM: (which do you recommend? Is 800Mhz enough?)
- GeIL Dual 2x 2GB DDR2 800 MHz
- Corsair Twin2X DDR2 2x 2GB 800MHz CL5-5-5-18
- PDP Patriot Dual 2x 2GB DDR2 800 MHz CL5
Klopsik206 wrote:It will depend on how much you value extra write speeds. The RE2 YS (instead of KS) version has been shown to write better, but at a higher noise.HDD: Caviar SE-16 750 GB WD7500AAKS 16MB cache SATA-II (My understanding is Caviar RE is not worth extra cash)
Klopsik206 wrote:Yes it is pretty good. Won't win any speed demon awards, but it is definitely no slouch.So what do you think guys? Is it well balanced?
Klopsik206 wrote:CPU Cooling: Thermalright IFX-14
Flying Fox wrote:Klopsik206 wrote:I foresee needing more HDDs down the road?- home media hub (including some media coding)
Flying Fox wrote:Klopsik206 wrote:Not going to happen sorry. Nehalem is end of this year.Longetivity
I hope it will stay for some years to come.
The best you can hope for is to upgrade to the last Penryn, more on that later.Klopsik206 wrote:Less efficient as in the games are not using the extra cores right now? Well, they will eventually so as a "future proof" thing and if budget allows, the quad is the one to get.My understanding is quad core is more future proof, although it may be slightly less efficient right now than dual core (especially in gaming).Klopsik206 wrote:If you are thinking that, then I would suggest you get a cheap (or relatively cheap) dual core, like a E2xxx or a E4xxx, then upgrade to a Yorkfield quad (Q9xxx) after Nehalem is released, the later you can stretch this out the better. I am thinking Q1/Q2 2009.- Possibly will upgrade to new Peryn CPU in the future
Flying Fox wrote:Klopsik206 wrote:All PATA? Remember modern boards only have 1 IDE channels for 2 devices, and it is not built into the chipset either.- Plextor DVD burner
- Seagate 7200.9 250GB HDD
Flying Fox wrote:Klopsik206 wrote:If you want to save some money and will not be using 6 SATA devices or RAID, then the DS3L is the cheaper version.Mobo: Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3P (rev 3.3)
Flying Fox wrote:Klopsik206 wrote:It will depend on how much you value extra write speeds. The RE2 YS (instead of KS) version has been shown to write better, but at a higher noise.HDD: Caviar SE-16 750 GB WD7500AAKS 16MB cache SATA-II (My understanding is Caviar RE is not worth extra cash)
ucisilentbob wrote:Klopsik206 wrote:CPU Cooling: Thermalright IFX-14
CPU Cooling would be the Thermalright Ultra Extreme 120 with whatever fan fits your CFM to db ratio you're looking for.
Voldenuit wrote:As FF said, when nehalem comes out, it will be a whole new ball game. Onboard memory controller and new chipset interconnect means the current FSB and northbridge model is going the way of the dodo. Penryn's your last trainstop.
That said, it should be good and scalable for a while yet. Most apps still don't utilise quadcore fully, so there will be room for growth (or you could look at it as being currently "inefficient").
Voldenuit wrote:Re: GPU + Accelero S1, be aware that the Accelero eats up 2 slots, 3 if you want to add the optional turbo module. It's a great cooler (as good or better than the TR HR03+/GT in my book, and much cheaper), but unless you're looking to run the GPU passively, I'd rather get the vanilla GT or pay the difference for the GTS.
Voldenuit wrote:You can also try XP Pro x64 for free for 120 days before deciding on going 64-bit, as many issues related to 64-bit computing apply to both XP and Vista.
Voldenuit wrote:Ahem... Which cooler are you talking about?Re: CPU cooler, the TRUE outperforms the IFX, is cheaper, and more compatible with motherboards and cases.
Voldenuit wrote:When are you planning to build? You could always hold out hope that intel will release Penryn on schedule (Jan 20), since they haven't confirmed the delay to my knowledge.
Voldenuit wrote:I am not sure what's RDP is (Remote Desktop Protocol?) and why should I need it. Would it require Vista Ultimate? I am running XP professional and I am happy with it. Again, can you please point me to further reading?Also, if you're using it as a media hub/server, be aware that Vista Home doesn't come with RDP, which I personally find essential for a home server. Of course, you can always use a 3rd party remote management software.
Klopsik206 wrote:According to this review IFX-14 preforms better:
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=485&type=expert&pid=5
Do you have other comparison handy?
Thanks for help!
Klopsik206 wrote:I'm guessing he was being cute in saying Thermalright Ultra Extreme?Voldenuit wrote:Ahem... Which cooler are you talking about?Re: CPU cooler, the TRUE outperforms the IFX, is cheaper, and more compatible with motherboards and cases.
Klopsik206 wrote:They are not going to release the quad Yorkfields on the 20th. Dual core Wolfdales are still on track though. Pricing is a tad higher than the Q6600, but not by much.Well, I can definitely wait one month more. Are they gonna launch in the same price range, or some high end stuff? Can you please point me to more info?
Klopsik206 wrote:If you want to Remote Desktop into the "hub", then Vista Home Premium does not have it. It can Remote Desktop into other machines (having the RDP client but not the server). If your concept of a hub is just a bunch of file shares, then there should be no problem.Voldenuit wrote:I am not sure what's RDP is (Remote Desktop Protocol?) and why should I need it. Would it require Vista Ultimate? I am running XP professional and I am happy with it. Again, can you please point me to further reading?Also, if you're using it as a media hub/server, be aware that Vista Home doesn't come with RDP, which I personally find essential for a home server. Of course, you can always use a 3rd party remote management software.
Klopsik206 wrote:Voldenuit wrote:You can also try XP Pro x64 for free for 120 days before deciding on going 64-bit, as many issues related to 64-bit computing apply to both XP and Vista.
I was not aware that's possible... Can you please point me to more information?
Klopsik206 wrote:Voldenuit wrote:Ahem... Which cooler are you talking about?Re: CPU cooler, the TRUE outperforms the IFX, is cheaper, and more compatible with motherboards and cases.
Well, I can definitely wait one month more. Are they gonna launch in the same price range, or some high end stuff? Can you please point me to more info?
Voldenuit wrote:I am not sure what's RDP is (Remote Desktop Protocol?) and why should I need it. Would it require Vista Ultimate? I am running XP professional and I am happy with it. Again, can you please point me to further reading?Also, if you're using it as a media hub/server, be aware that Vista Home doesn't come with RDP, which I personally find essential for a home server. Of course, you can always use a 3rd party remote management software.
Voldenuit wrote:They used the optional IFX-10 cooler (which, to my knowledge, is not compatible with your gigabyte motherboard).
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In my opinion, the IFX-14 is an oversized, overengineered, piece of junk, whereas the TRUE is much more elegant and functional. Of course, if you're not overclocking much, the Ultima-90 is nearly as good as the TRUE at a fraction of the size and cost.
Klopsik206 wrote:Voldenuit wrote:They used the optional IFX-10 cooler (which, to my knowledge, is not compatible with your gigabyte motherboard).
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In my opinion, the IFX-14 is an oversized, overengineered, piece of junk, whereas the TRUE is much more elegant and functional. Of course, if you're not overclocking much, the Ultima-90 is nearly as good as the TRUE at a fraction of the size and cost.
Can you please point me to the IFX-10 compatibility info?
I took a second look on TRUE ( - now know what's that ), and I will reconsider.
Voldenuit wrote:I wouldn't say RDP was "added" to MCE, more like they used XP Pro and added Media Center functionality (while somehow remembered to hide the domain stuff). Why would you want to RDP with a laptop or something into something that has big ass buttons and stuff? You would think when you RDP you will want smaller Windows and buttons? That's why they deemed RDP to be not in the Media Center use case.It's no longer just a business tool, as seen when they added in to MCE.
Klopsik206 wrote:You'll have no problem making it last that long. No matter how good Nahalem is, other CPUs will continue to function after it's launch - they're not going to die in phear of Nahalem epeenI hope with top of the line Peryn in the future (grabbed from bargain bin of course) it will be reasonable for 3-4 years. See how long I hanged with my Athlon XP-M
Klopsik206 wrote:After reading more about upcomming Peryn, I got two more questions:
- Does it make sense to buy X38 mobo right now with 1600Mhz FSB support in order to be able to upgrade to the fastest available Peryn in the future? (to rephrase: will it run on 1333 FSB at all?)
- Will DDR2 800 be enough to run the fastest available Peryn?
Klopsik206 wrote:IIRC the X38 does not support 1600 officially. If you want official support you are going to have to wait. Most boards can be overclocked to 400x4=1600FSB with no problem.- Does it make sense to buy X38 mobo right now with 1600Mhz FSB support in order to be able to upgrade to the fastest available Peryn in the future? (to rephrase: will it run on 1333 FSB at all?)
Klopsik206 wrote:Most Yorkfields will be on the 333x4=1333FSB so it should be no problem (333x2=667). At 400 base clock we will see DDR2-800 finally get matched up nicely with 1:1 ratio. Most modules should be able to overclocked a little more giving you some headroom. If you really want headroom you can get some DDR2-1066 sticks.- Will DDR2 800 be enough to run the fastest available Peryn?
Nitrodist wrote:DDR3 may indeed come down in price since 2009 is where AMD will join the party. However Nehalem and motherboards may not be cheap.david00214 wrote:A year from now you'll be able to get a Quad Core Nehalam + mobo + DDR3 for cheap.
That doesn't even make sense..
Flying Fox wrote:Klopsik206 wrote:IIRC the X38 does not support 1600 officially. If you want official support you are going to have to wait. Most boards can be overclocked to 400x4=1600FSB with no problem.- Does it make sense to buy X38 mobo right now with 1600Mhz FSB support in order to be able to upgrade to the fastest available Peryn in the future? (to rephrase: will it run on 1333 FSB at all?)
Flying Fox wrote:Nitrodist wrote:DDR3 may indeed come down in price since 2009 is where AMD will join the party. However Nehalem and motherboards may not be cheap.david00214 wrote:A year from now you'll be able to get a Quad Core Nehalam + mobo + DDR3 for cheap.
That doesn't even make sense..
Nitrodist wrote:david00214 wrote:A year from now you'll be able to get a Quad Core Nehalam + mobo + DDR3 for cheap.
That doesn't even make sense..
david00214 wrote:Nitrodist wrote:david00214 wrote:A year from now you'll be able to get a Quad Core Nehalam + mobo + DDR3 for cheap.
That doesn't even make sense..
I'm not sure why my comment does not make sense.
Klopsik206 wrote:For now, all signs are pointing that 400x4=1600 FSB is no problem for most boards out there. Intel is even respinning a stepping for the non-Extreme Yorkfields to run on these "cheaper" boards. The only reasons I see one needs to get an X38 board is for CrossFire or DDR3 (mostly for epeen now). If you want official 1600 support you will have to wait for X48 anyways.Flying Fox wrote:Klopsik206 wrote:IIRC the X38 does not support 1600 officially. If you want official support you are going to have to wait. Most boards can be overclocked to 400x4=1600FSB with no problem.- Does it make sense to buy X38 mobo right now with 1600Mhz FSB support in order to be able to upgrade to the fastest available Peryn in the future? (to rephrase: will it run on 1333 FSB at all?)
Do you mean all X38 boards will work with 1600FPB? or ALL board inclucing P35 can be overclocked to 1600FSB?
david00214 wrote:As in buying AMD with the SB600 is any more future proof than Intel? It's not even "present" proof.True enough, but the OP is wanting future proof, which isn't very realistic with Intel platforms right now, so I think it makes sense to go cheap now with the knowledge that a mobo upgrade will be needed later.
Klopsik206 wrote:Guys, I won't be waiting another year.
I am running AXP-M - have a bit of compassion please
david00214 wrote:He already picked that in his first post. But I think he should do well also with the DS3L. Not many need the features of ICH9R.
david00214 wrote:When most DDR2-800 should behave the same I don't see why not get the cheaper ones. Also 2x2GB may be a good idea.OCZ SLI-ready DDR2-800 RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820227198
Flying Fox wrote:david00214 wrote:He already picked that in his first post. But I think he should do well also with the DS3L. Not many need the features of ICH9R.david00214 wrote:When most DDR2-800 should behave the same I don't see why not get the cheaper ones. Also 2x2GB may be a good idea.OCZ SLI-ready DDR2-800 RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820227198
Flying Fox wrote:david00214 wrote:As in buying AMD with the SB600 is any more future proof than Intel? It's not even "present" proof.True enough, but the OP is wanting future proof, which isn't very realistic with Intel platforms right now, so I think it makes sense to go cheap now with the knowledge that a mobo upgrade will be needed later.