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Re: Strong computer for games - please review my config

Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:26 pm

Try to go for an non-K series Intel part if you're going to do a lot of virtualization. The K-series parts have some virtualization technologies disabled, which hampers them when compared to the non-K parts.
source about disabled techonlogies: http://ark.intel.com/products/65523/Int ... _90-GHz%29
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Re: Strong computer for games - please review my config

Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:20 am

lonleyppl wrote:
Try to go for an non-K series Intel part if you're going to do a lot of virtualization. The K-series parts have some virtualization technologies disabled, which hampers them when compared to the non-K parts.
source about disabled techonlogies: http://ark.intel.com/products/65523/Int ... _90-GHz%29

I know. I don't care about this techs.
 
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Re: Strong computer for games - please review my config

Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:08 pm

Do you know any good and trusted shops that ship worldwide?
 
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Re: Strong computer for games - please review my config

Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:14 pm

Why not try using a mailing services? The shipping to them here in say the USA would be free and then they would charge you whatever the international charge to ship is. May be a lot less expensive then buying local or settling for parts you dont want. At that rate you can buy whatever you want.

Does amazon not do international? Im not sure at all, just a question
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Re: Strong computer for games - please review my config

Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:14 pm

Welch wrote:
Why not try using a mailing services? The shipping to them here in say the USA would be free and then they would charge you whatever the international charge to ship is. May be a lot less expensive then buying local or settling for parts you dont want. At that rate you can buy whatever you want.


Can you recommend any such services?

Welch wrote:
Does amazon not do international? Im not sure at all, just a question


Amazon ship internationally but no everything. They ship here books and other stuff but not computer parts.
 
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Re: Strong computer for games - please review my config

Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:15 am

Anyone?
 
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Re: Strong computer for games - please review my config

Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:33 pm

Well short of having a friend state side who would be willing to forward it to you....

There are literally HUNDREDS of services that you ship your stuff to that are in the USA that will send the packages to another state or country. My buddy used to work for this place http://www.earthclassmail.com/ but not longer does. I've heard the good, the bad, the ugly with it. I have used www.alohaforwarding.com for stuff to be sent to me in Alaska which saved me some cash when shipping was well over $100 bucks directly from the retailer (newegg).

Just some food for thought, I'm not sure if alohaforwarding ships internationally. I know that Earth Class Mail does, but I'm not sure about whether or not they do it for people on a per request basis or if you need an account with them. I will grill my friend with these questions and he may have another alternative as he was in the logistic business with Earth Class Mail and knows all about shipping and the numbers.
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Re: Strong computer for games - please review my config

Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:43 pm

I've checked the USA shopping with some friends. It appears that it's much safer to buy item that have international warranty.
Do you which companies has international warranty?

So far that what I have:
Gigabyte - No
XFX - Still no answer
HIS - No
Intel -No
Asus - Can't find an email address in their site. Ideas?
 
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Re: Strong computer for games - please review my config

Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:26 pm

I've been thinking about this PC in the last month while hoping some of the companies might answer. Only Sapphire answered and the answer is no.
I've decided to wait with the GPU. I think that the 3770k alone will give me enough performance.

I've no more time to wait for the local importers to get the Fractal Design Define R4 so I'll use my current case and PSU (500W) for now.
the final config is (items with * I already own):
CPU: i7-3770k
CPU cooler: Cooler Master 212 Evo
GPU*: AMD HD 5770
Memory: 2x8GB G. Skill Ares F3-1333C9Q-16GAO
Storage*: 1xOCZ Agility 3 128GB (OS and Programs), 1x1TB WD Black cavier (Games), 1x2TB Seagate 7200.12 (Other stuff), 1x1TB 7200.12 (VMs)
Case+Cooling is OK
DVD*
Extra USB: 1x2 USB 2p bracket

The problem is the Motherboard. I've been thinking about what you all wrought on ASUS and since I won't buy a GPU in this year I've moved the MB price limit upward. I've 2 possibilities:
Asus P8Z77-V LE - 224$
Asus P8Z77-V LX - 188$

Does the LE extra features worth the extra 36$?

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Re: Strong computer for games - please review my config

Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:19 am

Put them side by side in a comparison. You can also make a spreadsheet of the specs from ASUS' website to compare side-by-side. Those specs might include some things newegg doesn't. Make sure you note the VRM cooling on the LE model also. There are differences between the two, you have to be the one to decide whether or not they're important to you.
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Re: Strong computer for games - please review my config

Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:34 pm

I've compared them in Asus site. I was wondering if you guys have something to add.
Here is a list of all the extra features the LE has (I don't care about the extra 1GbE port in the LX).

The LE has the following extra features:

Things i don't care about:
1 DisplayPort
InTru™ 3D
Clear Video HD Technology
Quick Sync Video
1 x eSATA 6Gb/s port(s)
- Ai Charger+
- USB Charger+
2 x SATA 3Gb/s cable(s)


Things that I want, but not willing to pay the price:
1 x SATA 6Gb/s port(s)
2 x USB 3.0 port(s)
ASUS Q-Slot
- Industry leading Digital 8 Phase Power Design
(6 -phase for CPU, 2 -phase for iGPU)
6 x Audio jack(s)


Please help me understand what those mean:
Absolute Pitch 192kHz/ 24-bit True BD Lossless Sound

ASUS Dual Intelligent Processors 3 with New DIGI+ Power Control :
SMART DIGI+ :
- Smart DIGI+ Key- quickly delivers higher VRM frequency, voltage and current for superior CPU/iGPU/DRAM overclocking performance with one switch.
- Smart CPU Power Level (Intel® VRD 12.5 Future Power Design)- provides the best digital power saving conditions.
ASUS Hybrid Processor - TPU :
- Auto Tuning
- TurboV
- GPU Boost
- TPU switch
ASUS EPU :
- EPU
- EPU switch
ASUS Digital Power Design :
- Industry leading Digital 2 Phase DRAM Power Design
- CPU Power Utility
- DRAM Power Utility
 
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Re: Strong computer for games - please review my config

Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:28 pm

Tharbad wrote:
...help me understand what these mean:

ASUS Dual Intelligent Processors 3 with New DIGI+ Power Control :
SMART DIGI+ :
- Smart DIGI+ Key- quickly delivers higher VRM frequency, voltage and current for superior CPU/iGPU/DRAM overclocking performance with one switch.
- Smart CPU Power Level (Intel® VRD 12.5 Future Power Design)- provides the best digital power saving conditions.
ASUS Hybrid Processor - TPU :
- Auto Tuning
- TurboV
- GPU Boost
- TPU switch
ASUS EPU :
- EPU
- EPU switch
ASUS Digital Power Design :
- Industry leading Digital 2 Phase DRAM Power Design
- CPU Power Utility
- DRAM Power Utility

That's just a lot of marketing hype for saying the power delivery system is a bit better. Unless you're a super-overclocker, probably none of that will be noticeable over what the LX offers. "Automatic" overclocking features are always more conservative than what you can achieve manually, whether its achieving a lower voltage or a higher overclock so I personally don't pay too much attention to those features.
The audio is more or less the same between the two. Here's a general comparison table for that.
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Re: Strong computer for games - please review my config

Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:40 pm

i wanted to overclock using Intel XTU auto tune. This features will give me something extra?
 
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Re: Strong computer for games - please review my config

Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:58 pm

Why use auto tune when there are plenty of overclocking guides like this and this? Just throw a 44x multiplier in there, disable automatic voltage adjustment, and be happy. Automatic overclocking always uses too much voltage to achieve the same clocks = more heat/power usage
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Re: Strong computer for games - please review my config

Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:37 pm

OK.
About the VRM: I understand that a high number of phases will give me a longer MB life. 4+1 is OK for 4-5 years?

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