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RAM prices

Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:09 pm

They're garbage. The kit I'm using now (8GB DDR3-2133 CL9) cost me $45 in 2013. A rough equivalent scaled to the modern day (16GB DDR4-3200 CL16) now goes for $120. Ideally, I'd be getting some ECC DDR4-2666, but the only source I see for that is $210. What's more, prices look to be up ~$20 across the board from just a couple weeks ago.

I don't recall ever hearing a good explanation for this - why are prices rising again? (Other than lack of competition, of course.) More practically speaking, over what timeframe and vertical scale do we expect them to keep rising? If the last couple weeks are any indication, I should be buying RAM for my Ryzen build now, not next month when I'm actually doing the build.

Speaking of buying RAM early, I've got a few options here. First up, I'm seriously reconsidering whether ECC is worth it to me. I still think everything should have ECC by default, but as I'll be using this system, ECC is more about peace of mind than anything actually important. That, and the peace of mind would enable ramdisking more stuff, but that's secondary to gaming-ish performance. If the tradeoff were just an extra $50 out of my wallet, I'd still be all over it. The trouble is that the tradeoff is looking more like $90 plus a small performance hit or $30 plus a really sizable performance hit, plus having to wait longer to upgrade either way. That peace of mind doesn't seem worth a 2400 CL17 vs 2933 CL15 performance gap, if 2933 is workable and ECC 2666 is unreasonably pricey. RAM performance does matter for stuff I do, and I know I'd be happier gaming with 2933 (silicon lottery gods allowing).

Currently under consideration (not necessarily these exact kits, but these appear representative):
Kingston, 2400 CL17, ECC. Slow and reliable. Meh. What kind of reputation does Kingston have with gerbils? I know they were good a decade ago, but have no idea now.
Crucial, 2666 CL19, ECC. Holy pricetag, batman. It doesn't look like any of the usual (cheap) sources carry ECC 2666.
G.Skill, 3000 CL15, non-ECC. Cheap and fast.
G.Skill, 3200 CL15, non-ECC. Less cheap, but the extra headroom seems like it would make 2933 more likely. Getting 2933 instead of 2666 would definitely be worth $25 to me.

Thoughts?

.... I feel like I'm forgetting something important I was going to say, but I have stuff to do in meatspace and all of the above looks coherent enough, so I'll just go ahead and post this.
 
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Re: RAM prices

Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:31 pm

My go-to RAM has been Kingston ValueRAM for more than a decade now. One DOA stick and (IIRC) one flaky one, in close to 15 years and countless builds. That's a better track record than the other brands I've tried (Crucial, Corsair, and a few others). Note: I tend to run my RAM at stock speed and use ECC if the system supports it.
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Re: RAM prices

Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:49 pm

Looks like PCPartPicker is in agreement with you....

https://pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/memory/

Not sure how they're calculating what the "average" price is, but if those graphs are accurate and this year is anything like the last prices should start leveling off soon. Even still, I'm kinda glad I'm not in the market at the moment.
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Re: RAM prices

Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:54 am

Is this somehow due to Ryzen launch? Or is there some other reason?
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Re: RAM prices

Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:17 am

I doubt it has to do with Ryzen (stupid name). It's probably general market fluctuations.
It seems the recent low was mid-2016.
 
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Re: RAM prices

Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:53 am

southrncomfortjm wrote:
Is this somehow due to Ryzen launch? Or is there some other reason?


Yup it is intel's fault!
Another grand conspiracy! :D
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Re: RAM prices

Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:06 am

southrncomfortjm wrote:
Is this somehow due to Ryzen launch? Or is there some other reason?


Regardless of the reason it's going to keep me from building a Ryzen PC. I've got roughly 128GB of DDR3 RAM in various machines that wouldn't transfer over.

I might need to get a DDR3 Skylake board and call it a day.
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Re: RAM prices

Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:46 am

Aranarth wrote:
southrncomfortjm wrote:
Is this somehow due to Ryzen launch? Or is there some other reason?


Yup it is intel's fault!
Another grand conspiracy! :D


More like collusion between the memory makers and it's not the first time, nor will it be the last. Ah, the joys of "free market" oligopolies.
 
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Re: RAM prices

Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:20 pm

RAM prices have been predicted to rise in 2017 since as early as last fall when prices leveled off and began to rise. http://www.dramexchange.com/WeeklyResea ... /4546.html

Best case you can expect prices to level off, worst case they are going to creep a bit higher. https://www.techpowerup.com/230188/dram ... -over-2017

Most 32GB DDR4 kits on Amazon have seen a $60-100 or even higher price increase since the summer of 2016. Thanks to Ryzen I'm pretty sure it's only going to go up this year.
 
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Re: RAM prices

Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:52 pm

Kougar wrote:
http://www.dramexchange.com/WeeklyResea ... /4546.html

So it *is* just the oligopoly doing what oligopolies do. :evil:

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