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JustAnEngineer wrote:Sound cards, TV tuners, disk controllers, USB expansion cards, etc. all switched to PCIe in mid-2008. There has been no reason for a new gaming PC to need a PCI slot since then.
f0d wrote:If you bought a PCI sound card when a PCIe version was available, you made a mistake. If you bought a Xonar DG when the Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium was available (starting in mid-2008), you made a mistake.the xonar dg which tech report reviewed and gave an editors choice rating in november 2010 is still being sold
JustAnEngineer wrote:JustAnEngineer wrote:Sound cards, TV tuners, disk controllers, USB expansion cards, etc. all switched to PCIe in mid-2008. There has been no reason for a new gaming PC to need a PCI slot since then.f0d wrote:If you bought a PCI sound card when a PCIe version was available, you made a mistake. If you bought a Xonar DG when the Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium was available (starting in mid-2008), you made a mistake.the xonar dg which tech report reviewed and gave an editors choice rating in november 2010 is still being sold
just brew it! wrote:I still have a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz and an M-Audio Revolution. I use them when I need high-quality A/D (e.g. ripping vinyl). They're still supported under Linux, though I imagine Windows users may be SOL at this point...
The Egg wrote:MaxTheLimit wrote:An interesting question would be if anyone still used AGP around here. PCI still has use for some decent peripherals. AGP....well...not so much.
AGP was graphics only. Any AGP card is going to be inferior to modern integrated GPUs. The interface is wholly defunct.
just brew it! wrote:I still have a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz
LoneWolf15 wrote:IIRC, it took them a little while to get the timing right to do PCIe on sound cards, so PCI was standard for them a bit longer than a number of other peripherals.
LoneWolf15 wrote:Remind me, but isn't PCI being emulated or translated on some chipsets these days? I'm not even sure Intel's current chipsets have native PCI support.
M-Audio has been bought and sold TWICE since the Revolution came out. Once by Avid in 2004 and then spun off and sold to InMusic in 2013. So yeah, I'm sure Windows users are SOL.
whm1974 wrote:M-Audio has been bought and sold TWICE since the Revolution came out. Once by Avid in 2004 and then spun off and sold to InMusic in 2013. So yeah, I'm sure Windows users are SOL.
But not Linux users? I'm not supprise.
I hold a lot more grief for VGA ports than PCI slots anyday.
MadManOriginal wrote:The answer to the OP's direct question is probably pretty simple: it's cheaper and easier to implement PCI slots.
whm1974 wrote:I hold a lot more grief for VGA ports than PCI slots anyday.
Well since they put VGA ports on cheap LCD monitoners I can see why.
VGA will outlast everything, even HDMI.
Mentawl wrote:Also worth pointing out that there are a limited number of PCI-E lanes on any given Intel chipset. Z87/Z97 support 16 PCI-E 3.0 lanes from the CPU, generally always split between one or two (sometimes three) GPU slots. Then there are only 8 PCI-E 2.0 lanes from the chipset:
-If you want a third GPU slot, that might take 4 of those lanes.
-Additional controllers on the board (SATA,NIC) will take at least one or two of those remaining. (That leaves 2 lanes, and you've laid out 3-4 slots.)
-Assuming an ATX board with 7 slots, you've got 3-4 slots left and only 2 PCI-E lanes from the chipset left to supply them.
== Might as well stick in some PCI slots rather than leaving empty slot areas.
crabjokeman wrote:I think this is a very good/fair question. It's a lot like the PS/2 debate. I'll pose a couple more questions:
- How many folks have so many PCI-e expansion cards that they would be better served with more PCI-e slots?
- What is the cost of adding a PCI slot or two?
Heck, as someone else mentioned already, most of us don't really need more than a mITX board (although I'd prefer to have 4 RAM slots instead of 2, just for flexibility sake if nothing else)
NovusBogus wrote:whm1974 wrote:I hold a lot more grief for VGA ports than PCI slots anyday.
Well since they put VGA ports on cheap LCD monitoners I can see why.
Plus, in the business world, VGA is still the gold standard especially in presentation spaces. All of the conference room projectors at work are wired for VGA only, and all but one of them are 1024x768. VGA will outlast everything, even HDMI.
DancinJack wrote:kvndoom wrote:Eh, such as replacing a sound card I paid over $200 for, with another sound card I'll have to pay over $200 for? Yup, sounds ridiculous to me. Just let me know when you're mailing me the check.
Meh, my USB DAC/headphone amp doesn't care about PCI slots. Maybe you should have got one instead of an obsolete PCI card?
NovusBogus wrote:whm1974 wrote:I hold a lot more grief for VGA ports than PCI slots anyday.
Well since they put VGA ports on cheap LCD monitoners I can see why.
Plus, in the business world, VGA is still the gold standard especially in presentation spaces. All of the conference room projectors at work are wired for VGA only, and all but one of them are 1024x768. VGA will outlast everything, even HDMI.