Maybe you should define 'obsolete.'
Well it certelly doesn't mean useless.
DancinJack wrote:whm1974 wrote:Looking up Z97 motherboards on newegg for some friends of mine, I notice that OEMs are still putting PCI slots on their boards. WHY? I thought PCI died a long time ago.
Party because Intel CPU's do have a ton of extra PCI-e lanes. Partly for backward compatibly for people like SSK who don't want to spend money on PCI-e expansion cards. Mostly for unknown, ridiculous reasoning I can't wrap my brain around.
NovusBogus wrote:whm1974 wrote:I hold a lot more grief for VGA ports than PCI slots anyday.
Well since they put VGA ports on cheap LCD monitoners I can see why.
Plus, in the business world, VGA is still the gold standard especially in presentation spaces. All of the conference room projectors at work are wired for VGA only, and all but one of them are 1024x768. VGA will outlast everything, even HDMI.
The two chipmakers are joined by Dell, Lenovo, Samsung, and LG in an industry-spanning agreement to phase out VGA entirely by 2015, and to standardize solely on HDMI and DisplayPort.
whm1974 wrote:The decline is beginning.
Even so, VGA may live on for many years since it takes time to replace equipment.
On the other hand, I've seen fairly recent ASUS 1366x768 18.5" LED-backlit monitors that ONLY have VGA in. And it looks like crap by default, since it's too dumb to detect the right resolution. Feed 1366x768 in, and unless you tell it that's what it's getting, the picture and text looks like crap. Never seen any other LCDs that manage to do that either, including tons of 17" ones going as far back as 2003.
whm1974 wrote:On the other hand, I've seen fairly recent ASUS 1366x768 18.5" LED-backlit monitors that ONLY have VGA in. And it looks like crap by default, since it's too dumb to detect the right resolution. Feed 1366x768 in, and unless you tell it that's what it's getting, the picture and text looks like crap. Never seen any other LCDs that manage to do that either, including tons of 17" ones going as far back as 2003.
I have no idea why they are making LCD displays with VGA in only. I could see still supporting VGA however with HDMI port(s).
But I thought HDMI was just DVI on steroids (including audio). No analog compatibility whatsoever, unlike Displayport.
I wouldn't take one of those 768 panels even if you gave them to me for free - they're not worth my time or a port on a multi-monitor setup, not when I have quite a few 17" 1280x1024 panels sitting around. I guess they are more energy efficient than 17" CCFLs, but that's about it. And as much as I can be a tree hugger at times, I still don't like the 768 ASUS's over the older 17" panels under any situation.
- no DP out
- HDMI that can't run 2560x1440x60Hz but comes close ... with some hacking
- single-link DVI that can't run 2560x1440x60Hz
- a PS/2 KB port because somehow, at 16 kb/s, it has less latency than a 5 Gb/s USB port
- two PCI slots - one for the soundcard, one for the backup soundcard.
Wirko wrote:Did you look at micro-ATX motherboards like the $92 H97M-G43, $122-10MIR Z97M-G43 and $160 -20MIR Z97M Gaming from MSI and the $162 Gryphon Z97 from Asus that I linked earlier in this thread?The average Z97/H97 board has...
localhostrulez wrote:But I thought HDMI was just DVI on steroids (including audio). No analog compatibility whatsoever, unlike Displayport.
whm1974 wrote:Just to entertain you further, that card also requires 1 Molex power connector for the headphone amp
People still use those? I got some with my moduler PSU, but I didn't connect any.
That's 26 motherboards from the four main manufacturers with DisplayPort and no obsolete PCI slots
For your geeky amusement: http://justbrewit.net/trstuff/matenlok.pdf
What is it, you ask? Well... it is an early engineering drawing for an AMP Mate-N-Lok connector, which is what we now know as "the Molex connector". Hand-drawn by a human draftsman. In 1966. (And the connector design had already been around for a few years by then.)
Think of it this way... time-wise, the Molex connector was invented closer to World War I than to today!
whm1974 wrote:I can see the advantages now of having a few PCI slots. And the PS/2 port saved my system when I turn off USB 2 support in my BIOS(why was that even there?).
whm1974 wrote:Your Newegg search-fu must better then mine. I couldn't find any Z97 boards with no PCI slots.
Wirko wrote:Here you go:I belong to the subspecies that wants PCI to live a little longer.
mnecaise wrote:I have to (indirectly) support optical measuring machines, laser engravers, CNC laser cutting machine, a 3D printer, a pick and place robot, and numerous product test systems that have legacy PCI cards in them. I think we even have a couple of machines with 16-bit ISA bus cards in them. You don't throw out a $100k machine because the interface cards use a bus standard that is no longer the new hotness.
localhostrulez wrote:Dang - I get that business PCs usually still have a serial port for that kind of stuff (ex. Dell 9010/HP 800, and maybe HP 650/15" laptop), but ISA? Let me guess, that equipment doesn't work with Windows 7 either?