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Gaming? More RAM for future titles..

Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:34 pm

Of course you already knew that, but because consoles represent the "lower-end" of system requirements it was interesting to read this in relation to the often requested "help with builds" on this forum:

https://www.engadget.com/2017/06/09/xbo ... io-memory/


..and of course your system OS will likely require more RAM than a console, and the PC titles will almost certainly have upgrades from the console versions (not to mention community add-on's) - all of which is starting to suggest MORE than 16 GB of memory for your PC (..at least for some titles).
 
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Re: Gaming? More RAM for future titles..

Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:42 am

Early demos of the Project Scorpio hardware have shown its ability to handle 4K, 60fps gaming

Yeah right, High end gaming computers struggle to do this.

Anyway, it doesn't surprise me that with Mods PC games are climbing towards 32GB of memory usage.
 
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Re: Gaming? More RAM for future titles..

Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:19 am

whm1974 wrote:
Early demos of the Project Scorpio hardware have shown its ability to handle 4K, 60fps gaming

Yeah right, High end gaming computers struggle to do this.

Anyway, it doesn't surprise me that with Mods PC games are climbing towards 32GB of memory usage.


Doesn't surprise me, you need to realise that pc gamers want 4k and ultra settings, while on the console side they keep everything the same and just increase the resolution to 4k.
 
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Re: Gaming? More RAM for future titles..

Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:53 am

whm1974 wrote:
Early demos of the Project Scorpio hardware have shown its ability to handle 4K, 60fps gaming

Yeah right, High end gaming computers struggle to do this.

Anyway, it doesn't surprise me that with Mods PC games are climbing towards 32GB of memory usage.


Why do so many people have such a hard time understanding that a gaming consoles are purpose built computers, with a very light weight, optimized OS and games are destined solely for them are also highly optimized to run on said hardware.

So called high end gaming computers are still general purpose systems with off the shelf commodity OSes.

Just look at the PS2, using just 70 PS2's scientists where able to create a supercomputer, for just 50 grand:

https://www.geek.com/games/researchers- ... er-553365/

I believe that Scorpio will be able to handle 4k60 games, if said games are designed from the ground up with the Scorpio in mind.
 
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Re: Gaming? More RAM for future titles..

Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:08 pm

lmc5b wrote:
Doesn't surprise me, you need to realise that pc gamers want 4k and ultra settings, while on the console side they keep everything the same and just increase the resolution to 4k.

Most ultra settings are very expensive and add really little in terms of visuals. So it makes sense that console DEVs find the sweet spot (since they only have one hardware comp to worry about) and lock it there.

While the PC version can go higher, it comes at a hefty cost of non optimized code that is often thrown out there just for the heck of it, like absolutely bonkers tesselation levels in Crysis 2 (iirc).
That being said: I believe the constant 60 @4K in all situations when I see them, not before.
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Re: Gaming? More RAM for future titles..

Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:21 pm

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Yeah right, High end gaming computers struggle to do this.

They've already shown it with the Forza devs (not sure if it was 6 or Horizon 3) where they did 4K 60fps on Scorpio with a lot of power left on the table.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digit ... full-story bit of a long article but it's got the info anyway
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Re: Gaming? More RAM for future titles..

Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:28 pm

LostCat wrote:
whm1974 wrote:
Yeah right, High end gaming computers struggle to do this.

They've already shown it with the Forza devs (not sure if it was 6 or Horizon 3) where they did 4K 60fps on Scorpio with a lot of power left on the table.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digit ... full-story bit of a long article but it's got the info anyway

Even so, how much work did the developers had to do to get this to work?
 
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Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:31 pm

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Even so, how much work did the developers had to do to get this to work?

I think I'll let the article speak for itself. The fact of the matter is this thing is going to have more power than a huge chunk of PCs so I'm rather excited about it.
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Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:41 pm

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Even so, how much work did the developers had to do to get this to work?

I think I'll let the article speak for itself. The fact of the matter is this thing is going to have more power than a huge chunk of PCs so I'm rather excited about it.

I believe it when I see it. This wouldn't be the first time game consoles have fallen way short of marketing claims.
 
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Re: Gaming? More RAM for future titles..

Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:08 pm

whm1974 wrote:
I believe it when I see it. This wouldn't be the first time game consoles have fallen way short of marketing claims.

Just as a note neither the Forza team or Digital Foundry are marketing (even if that is basically what they're doing.) DF is well respected for their PC (when available) and console game performance comparisons.

But that's fair, I'd never expect people to just believe anything without actual hardware.
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Re: Gaming? More RAM for future titles..

Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:23 pm

Holy **** Xbox One X? And some people thought Ryzen was bad :lol:

I wonder if MS just goes out of their way to pick dumb names.
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Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:07 am

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Holy **** Xbox One X? And some people thought Ryzen was bad :lol:

I wonder if MS just goes out of their way to pick dumb names.

Wow........just....wow.

*facepalm*


Can anyone tell me how to get a job with Microsoft's marketing team? I can show up to work belligerent drunk every day, and just blurt out the dumbest crap I can come up with. I'll be head of marketing in no time.
 
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Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:19 am

sophisticles wrote:
whm1974 wrote:
Early demos of the Project Scorpio hardware have shown its ability to handle 4K, 60fps gaming

Yeah right, High end gaming computers struggle to do this.

Anyway, it doesn't surprise me that with Mods PC games are climbing towards 32GB of memory usage.


Why do so many people have such a hard time understanding that a gaming consoles are purpose built computers, with a very light weight, optimized OS and games are destined solely for them are also highly optimized to run on said hardware.

So called high end gaming computers are still general purpose systems with off the shelf commodity OSes.

Just look at the PS2, using just 70 PS2's scientists where able to create a supercomputer, for just 50 grand:

https://www.geek.com/games/researchers- ... er-553365/

I believe that Scorpio will be able to handle 4k60 games, if said games are designed from the ground up with the Scorpio in mind.


Right, people always forget this.

We need more power on PC to run the same game since PC games can't be as well optimized as the console counterparts since devs know exactly what's in an Xbox or PS4, but need to account for 1000s of possible configurations on home computers. A console with the same basic specs as a PC will always out perform he PC with the same level of optimizations for that reason.

That said, there's 4K, and then there's 4K. You can get 4K video over Netflix, but that stream will pale in comparison to a real 4K Blu-ray due to compression, etc. So, the resolution isn't the entire story.

In the end, I don't care for 4K at all. I'm much more interested in 60+fps, HDR, and customization options.

As for the OP: If you are building a new system, 16GB of RAM should be the norm going forward. If you currently have a system with 8GB and you don't have issues with the games you play, there's nothing to change at the moment.

I've had 16GB of RAM since 2013 and I never needed it. Most I ever did with it is make a big RAM Disk and messed around with super fast transfers.
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Re: Gaming? More RAM for future titles..

Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:25 am

The Egg wrote:
LostCat wrote:
Holy **** Xbox One X? And some people thought Ryzen was bad :lol:

I wonder if MS just goes out of their way to pick dumb names.

Wow........just....wow.

*facepalm*


Can anyone tell me how to get a job with Microsoft's marketing team? I can show up to work belligerent drunk every day, and just blurt out the dumbest crap I can come up with. I'll be head of marketing in no time.


It all started with calling the third Xbox the Xbox One. They should have just called it the Xbox One Elite, or just left it as Xbox One Scorpio.
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Re: Gaming? More RAM for future titles..

Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:29 am

LostCat wrote:
Holy **** Xbox One X? And some people thought Ryzen was bad :lol:

I wonder if MS just goes out of their way to pick dumb names.


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Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:30 am

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It all started with calling the third Xbox the Xbox One. They should have just called it the Xbox One Elite, or just left it as Xbox One Scorpio.

No......it started a loooong time ago, with their flagship product.

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Re: Gaming? More RAM for future titles..

Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:34 am

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southrncomfortjm wrote:
It all started with calling the third Xbox the Xbox One. They should have just called it the Xbox One Elite, or just left it as Xbox One Scorpio.

No......it started a loooong time ago, with their flagship product.

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You forgot "NT". Which stood for "New Technology". I don't recall if "XP" actually stood for anything.

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Re: Gaming? More RAM for future titles..

Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:46 am

To address the original post, don't forget that consoles have VRAM and system RAM welded together. By that measure gaming PCs are more than keeping up. I still don't think any PC game breaks more than 8GB of total system RAM usage, but I could be wrong
 
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Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:18 am

TwistedKestrel wrote:
To address the original post, don't forget that consoles have VRAM and system RAM welded together. By that measure gaming PCs are more than keeping up. I still don't think any PC game breaks more than 8GB of total system RAM usage, but I could be wrong

Funny but I've been seeing new AAA titles recommending 16GB of memory since last year.
 
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Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:47 am

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titles recommending 16GB of memory since last year.

If you've ever paid much attention to "minimum / recommended system specs" from game devs, you'll know that it's absolute garbage that should just be ignored most of the time.
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Re: Gaming? More RAM for future titles..

Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:22 am

The Egg wrote:
Wow........just....wow.

*facepalm*


Can anyone tell me how to get a job with Microsoft's marketing team? I can show up to work belligerent drunk every day, and just blurt out the dumbest crap I can come up with. I'll be head of marketing in no time.

The only way I can even make sense of it is if they're considering this a 'Pro' model like with PS4 rather than an entirely new console. Or just want to keep people on the 'this can play everything the Xbox One can' page.

But yeah sheesh I don't know what the hell anyone is smoking anymore.
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Re: Gaming? More RAM for future titles..

Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:34 am

Xbox One immediately became XBone, and we thought it couldn't get any sillier...

MS: "Hold my beer."

Xbox One X looks like one of those silly screen names: XboxOneX, xBoxOnex

It also looks like signing something with kisses and hugs: XOX

AND, you can even go with: XBOX

...okay, the last one might be a bit clever.
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Re: Gaming? More RAM for future titles..

Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:56 am

The "XP" in Windows stood for "Experience"... supposedly.

16GB of RAM seems to be the standard for gaming desktops for at least a year now, although I still haven't seen 8GB PCs have any kind of problems even with the newest games.
 
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Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:14 pm

Vhalidictes wrote:
The "XP" in Windows stood for "Experience"... supposedly.

16GB of RAM seems to be the standard for gaming desktops for at least a year now, although I still haven't seen 8GB PCs have any kind of problems even with the newest games.

Depends on the game. Arkham Knight was one of a few that seemed a bit more stuttery with 8GB. I don't think it was the only one.
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Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:30 pm

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Arkham Knight was one of a few that seemed a bit more stuttery with 8GB

Wasn't Arkham Knight stuttery on ANY combination of hardware?
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Re: Gaming? More RAM for future titles..

Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:01 pm

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Wasn't Arkham Knight stuttery on ANY combination of hardware?

Yes and no? I played through it almost entirely on an A10-7850K with 8 gigs of RAM and a 290. It had its moments (especially in the car scenes) but mostly I could play it with details pushed up.

It was definitely a poster child for the need for DX12 or Vulkan, that's for sure.
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Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:14 am

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No......it started a loooong time ago, with their flagship product.

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