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JustAnEngineer wrote:I've gone back to micro-ATX. Do you like the TUF B350M-Plus Gaming, the GA-AB350-Gaming 3 or the B350M Mortar? What are they lacking that you really like about the RoG Strix B350-F Gaming?
just brew it! wrote:At first glance it looks like a decent board to me. If I was building a Ryzen rig today I'd probably consider it.
OTOH, like JAE, I'd also consider going (back) to micro-ATX. I had switched to micro-ATX back in the Socket AM2+ generation, but went back to full ATX when AM3+ hit due to the severe lack of decent micro-ATX AM3+ offerings.
Welch wrote:I'm going to be reusing my Corsair 400r case so it wouldn't matter to me if a board was ATX or mATX. If me getting an ATX board means they have more room to put higher quality components on the board or they don't cut corners with the number of headers, ect... Then I'll take the ATX board for sure.
What about skiing into another world?
Welch wrote:I'm so sorry to hear that Lost, truly sorry.
Welch wrote:If me getting an ATX board means they have more room to put higher quality components on the board or they don't cut corners with the number of headers, ect... Then I'll take the ATX board for sure.
LostCat wrote:What about skiing into another world?
Fresh snow above rocks, faceplant and braindeath from lack of oxygen. The fun stuff. (There was mention of his heart and his old neck injury but they didn't say if it was part of the cause or just the process.)
LostCat wrote:Welch wrote:I'm so sorry to hear that Lost, truly sorry.
Hell theoretically you might've met him or passed by him a time or two in Alaska. He was working at Coal Point for a while before he became a corrosion engineer.
Welch wrote:AI Suite 3 crashes on launch and reports that "The server threw an exception." ever since the meltdown/spectre update for Win10.What sort of bug with Ai3?
Welch wrote:Ohhh geeez, not looking forward to that. So I'll avoid installing Ai3 until things are resolved. I'm sure it has something to do with how information about the hardware is passed on to Ai3 and subsequently to their servers to update requests?
Welch wrote:So I'll avoid installing Ai3 until things are resolved.
MOSFET wrote:You're missing nothing by not installing AISuite except all the headaches. The first thing you will do after installing it is...uninstall it. You need zero of those programs. If you want Aura, just install Lighting Control (although I've had no luck with 1-0-0-5-28 version). If you want BIOS updates, just download the ZIP and extract the CAP to a USB stick.
I built a home PC with the X370 version (ROG Strix X370-F and R5-1600) just within the last two weeks, and all I can say is I'm not pleased with the 3401 BIOS. The lesser model Prime X370-Pro is already at 3404, having had 3401, 3402, and 3403 already. I have 10 BIOS files saved for the Prime X370-Pro since July 7, 2017. And a few I didn't download or keep since they were pulled by Asus. Not nearly as many it seems for the Strix compared to the Prime. I've had the Prime X370-Pro and R5-1600 in the garage since June 2017 doing vSphere hosting duty.
If anyone finds this thread having stability problems with Ryzen, one of my first questions would be "How many DIMMs?" The appropriate answer is TWO. Not to say 4 is impossible, but you will have more stability problems, and you will be limited in your RAM speed quest. Seems like 2400 is max stable IMO with 4 DIMMs on Ryzen. I tried 4x8GB G.Skill Trident 3200 and Chrome couldn't even successfully load a tab. I moved that set of RAM over to a Kaby Lake i5-7600K and Chrome also couldn't successfully load a tab. Turned RAM down to 2800 on the 7600K and found stability there. Tried upping DDR voltage, MC voltage, etc, to no avail.
I got into that predicament by buying a 16GB set of RAM on Black Friday for a "good deal" knowing that the price was likely to keep going up. It was preemptive, without having a specific home the RAM, just guessing that it would come in handy by year's end. And it was more expensive by January when the need arose, but that meant that I needed another set to actually do anything. Cities Skylines and VMware Workstation put me firmly in the 32GB camp - less is painful. Also painful is a constantly crashing system, especially BSODs implicating Memory Management. A few nights ago I lost several hours of city-building and at that point, shut the Ryzen system down and ripped out the 4x8GB G.Skill Trident 3200, and replaced it with 2x16GB Mushkin Ridgeback 2400, which has been perfect so far.
I've had so little stability from the RAM until now that I haven't even fiddled with overclocking this one yet! The Ryzen ESXi server in the garage runs 4x16GB G.Skill FlareX 2400, and I've had the occasional purple screen and the occasional hung/pegged VM (usually my DNS so it's pretty easy to spot: get home from work and host names won't resolve or browsing sucks), but the many BIOS updates for the Prime X370-Pro have helped (though there has been the occasional regression).
Welch wrote:I was going to say, I always avoided the Ai suite too but figured maybe I was missing something in this newest version. Have you tried v3 Chrispy?
Chrispy_ wrote:Even if they fixed all those problems and it was completely stable, it's a massive heavy set of tools riddled with unnecessary bloatware, skins, feature-creep and mystery stuff that eats far too many system resources. All of the other options like speedfan or HWinfo are far lighter, less intrusive, known to be stable across multiple platforms (Asus can't even provide stability on their own platform!) and better at their jobs than anything in AI suite anyway.
Welch wrote:Will have my Mass Drop Senheisser headphones soon to test the supposedly isolated "supreme FX" sound.
LostCat wrote:Meh I think I'll stick with the Gigabyte. No sense spending more money on this build than I already did unless I absolutely needed to. (If it was my primary gaming machine I'd think more strongly about it, but it isn't.)
Chrispy_ wrote:Welch wrote:Will have my Mass Drop Senheisser headphones soon to test the supposedly isolated "supreme FX" sound.
Please post an update on this.
I thought I'd give onboard audio another shot with this Gigabyte H97-HD3. It's not exactly a high-end board but they used an ALC887 codec which isn't audiophile grade, but it's at least decent - and then paired it with high-quality capacitors on their own isolated bit of PCB:
Needless to say, I could still hear plenty of EMI interference from the graphics card and some sqealing through my Presonus studio monitors, so I'm running through an external DAC instead which is perfectly clean, within the limits of my hearing at least.