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Igor_Kavinski wrote:It's fine if you don't mind your data being surreptitiously siphoned off to some Chinese data warehouse...
Concupiscence wrote:Igor_Kavinski wrote:Do you have a source for that conjecture?It's fine if you don't mind your data being surreptitiously siphoned off to some Chinese data warehouse...
just brew it! wrote:I'd be more concerned about long-term stability and reliability. At least it looks like they've used all solid capacitors, which should help in that regard.
Concupiscence wrote:Igor_Kavinski wrote:It's fine if you don't mind your data being surreptitiously siphoned off to some Chinese data warehouse...
Do you have a source for that conjecture?
Concupiscence wrote:The first is to repurpose a Core i5 750 + EVGA P55 LE motherboard a friend of mine gave me after building his first new computer in a decade. I think it'd be adequate - 12 gigs of DDR3-1600, four reasonably competent cores, rock solid stability, and a little playing with overclocking reveals that it can push to 3.60 GHz without touching core voltage. However it's not the most exciting option: no USB 3.0, a motherboard with legacy BIOS that could have problems with newer GPUs, no AVX support, and various other issues associated with a decade-old platform. The advantage is that it's free and ready to go now.
Igor_Kavinski wrote:Concupiscence wrote:The first is to repurpose a Core i5 750 + EVGA P55 LE motherboard a friend of mine gave me after building his first new computer in a decade. I think it'd be adequate - 12 gigs of DDR3-1600, four reasonably competent cores, rock solid stability, and a little playing with overclocking reveals that it can push to 3.60 GHz without touching core voltage. However it's not the most exciting option: no USB 3.0, a motherboard with legacy BIOS that could have problems with newer GPUs, no AVX support, and various other issues associated with a decade-old platform. The advantage is that it's free and ready to go now.
Don't overclock it, please. It will degrade over time and start causing bit errors which will affect the integrity of your data. Happened to me when I ran a Sempron 2GHz at 3GHz for several months. Even the USB ports stopped working normally. You can install a USB 3.0 PCIe card in the P55 LE mobo. As for latest GPUs, maybe borrow one or if you already have one, try running it in the mobo to see how it fares.
Igor_Kavinski wrote:Concupiscence wrote:Igor_Kavinski wrote:It's fine if you don't mind your data being surreptitiously siphoned off to some Chinese data warehouse...
Do you have a source for that conjecture?
You have seen "The Hangover" trilogy, yeah? Don't trust little Chinese men with little, uh, you know...
UNLESS you can verify that nothing other than soft, smooth female Chinese hands were involved in the manufacture of this mobo. But wait, even then they might have taken orders from the little Chinese men!
Seriously though, don't try saving money if your personal private data is at stake, data which you really wouldn't want getting into anyone's hands.
Igor_Kavinski wrote:Concupiscence wrote:Igor_Kavinski wrote:It's fine if you don't mind your data being surreptitiously siphoned off to some Chinese data warehouse...
Do you have a source for that conjecture?
You have seen "The Hangover" trilogy, yeah? Don't trust little Chinese men with little, uh, you know...
UNLESS you can verify that nothing other than soft, smooth female Chinese hands were involved in the manufacture of this mobo. But wait, even then they might have taken orders from the little Chinese men!
Seriously though, don't try saving money if your personal private data is at stake, data which you really wouldn't want getting into anyone's hands.
just brew it! wrote:Igor_Kavinski wrote:Concupiscence wrote:Do you have a source for that conjecture?
You have seen "The Hangover" trilogy, yeah? Don't trust little Chinese men with little, uh, you know...
UNLESS you can verify that nothing other than soft, smooth female Chinese hands were involved in the manufacture of this mobo. But wait, even then they might have taken orders from the little Chinese men!
Seriously though, don't try saving money if your personal private data is at stake, data which you really wouldn't want getting into anyone's hands.
Malware installed over the internet is a much bigger threat than any hypothetical pre-installed back door. Especially given that this thing is being marketed as a cheap gaming solution, I don't see how the effort, expense, and risk of compromising the design to incorporate a back door would be worth the expected returns.
As noted previously, overall stability/reliability are the main concerns here.
TBH my reaction when anyone tries to build something like this is "What, no ECC RAM?", but I realize that in this case he's trying to keep costs to a minimum.
Concupiscence wrote:I'm really thinking you're on to something here. Given a moderately bigger budget, what would you recommend instead? Something more like this?
Igor_Kavinski wrote:Concupiscence wrote:I'm really thinking you're on to something here. Given a moderately bigger budget, what would you recommend instead? Something more like this?
How about this? https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Proliant-BL ... Swt5Va~BiA
The 16GB RAM should be ECC since it's in a server. You can confirm with the seller.
Concupiscence wrote:32GB of ECC DDR3 would set me back like $40. I'm planning to make that investment, it might just be a couple of weeks after getting it initially setup. Considering that I could get a setup like this, I'm considering selling the i5 setup and what little spare hardware I have left and just snagging something like this as a solid foundation.
Captain Ned wrote:Concupiscence wrote:Igor_Kavinski wrote:Do you have a source for that conjecture?It's fine if you don't mind your data being surreptitiously siphoned off to some Chinese data warehouse...
Especially since the Supermicro mobo hack story has NEVER been confirmed.
Igor_Kavinski wrote:Captain Ned wrote:Concupiscence wrote:Do you have a source for that conjecture?
Especially since the Supermicro mobo hack story has NEVER been confirmed.
https://arstechnica.com/information-tec ... le-as-200/
It might cost a fraction of that in China, especially when done on a large scale.
just brew it! wrote:That said, it's certainly feasible (as the above article notes) that a malicious manufacturer could plant something like this; and if you're responsible for a network that handles highly sensitive data (I'm talking national security level sensitive), it's certainly something worth worrying about.
Waco wrote:If you're a home user, though, be wary. Surely you're not a target, but that doesn't mean you aren't vulnerable to hijinks if they exist. Botnets are bad!
Igor_Kavinski wrote:Waco wrote:If you're a home user, though, be wary. Surely you're not a target, but that doesn't mean you aren't vulnerable to hijinks if they exist. Botnets are bad!
Can you recommend an easy to use personal firewall or network activity monitor for managing network requests going out over the internet? What do you personally use?
Igor_Kavinski wrote:What did you have to do different in building a server compared to building a regular desktop? What software/utilities did you run to confirm everything was OK?