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Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Tue May 17, 2016 3:21 pm

I have a D810 with 50mm f/1.4, 24-120mm f/4 and 16-35mm f4. which I have been using for about two years. I carry 24-120mm f/4 with D810 for pleasure trip. But now I am beginning to think that this combo is just too heavy for that purpose. I am considering to get a lighter DSLR. Is there anyone who experienced as mine and got lighter DSLR? I am looking D500, D5500 and DX lenses to go with these. Any suggestion or comment?
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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Tue May 17, 2016 4:25 pm

While I don't have any experience with the D810 or the D500 (I have a D90 myself), I would be curious as to what exactly your problem is. Is it all the lenses or the camera body? Assuming all your lenses are FX lenses for the FX D810, they should work fine with the DX D500.

The D500 will give you more 'reach' with the existing lenses, as you probably know, due to its DX format 1.5 crop factor.

Nikon has released a new DX lens which does 16-80 f/2.8–4E, which covers MOST of your range of 3 lenses. You may want to consider that that.

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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Tue May 17, 2016 4:29 pm

If weight is the primary concern here and you are getting DX lenses (essentially a new system), how about the EVIL's (Panasonic/Olympus m-4/3, Sony E-mount, etc.)?
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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Tue May 17, 2016 6:32 pm

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While I don't have any experience with the D810 or the D500 (I have a D90 myself), I would be curious as to what exactly your problem is. Is it all the lenses or the camera body? Assuming all your lenses are FX lenses for the FX D810, they should work fine with the DX D500.

The D500 will give you more 'reach' with the existing lenses, as you probably know, due to its DX format 1.5 crop factor.

Nikon has released a new DX lens which does 16-80 f/2.8–4E, which covers MOST of your range of 3 lenses. You may want to consider that that.

My problem is that the camera body is too heavy and so is the FX lenses.
 
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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Tue May 17, 2016 9:16 pm

Are mirrorless cameras under consideration?
That sony a6300 is a technological marvel considering it's size/weight.
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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Tue May 17, 2016 11:58 pm

If you're only carrying one lens on trips, why not just consider a fixed lens camera? That'd maximize portability...

Maybe a Nikon DL 24-85 if you're willing to give up some range at the tele end. With the 2.7x crop factor, I think it'd translate roughly to a 24-85 f/4.9-7.6 on Full Frame. (With ISO 200 on the DL 24-85 being roughly the same as ISO 800 on the D810, probably). You can just try it out on your D810 and see if that smaller range would be too limiting or not.
 
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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Wed May 18, 2016 1:22 am

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I have a D810 with 50mm f/1.4, 24-120mm f/4 and 16-35mm f4. which I have been using for about two years. I carry 24-120mm f/4 with D810 for pleasure trip. But now I am beginning to think that this combo is just too heavy for me to take for pleasure trip. I am considering to get a lighter DSLR. Is there anyone who experienced as mine and got lighter DSLR? I am looking D500, D5500 and DX lenses to go with these. Any suggestion or comment?


Along with the suggestions above (MILC, fixed-lens), look into the D750. Light but responsive.

Otherwise, a D5500 would do fine with the kit lens, just take your 50mm or add a 35/1.8G DX for speed when needed, supposing you still want a DSLR.


But my opinion? Get a second, smaller and lighter system. Where you go will depend on your needs, but the A6300 already mentioned would be near the top of my personal list, though I wouldn't exclude the latest M4/3 cameras or offerings from Fuji in your evaluation.
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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Thu May 19, 2016 12:21 pm

Thanks everyone responding.
I have come up with possible alternate camera/lens combos for lighter weight as follows. I have to decide on an acceptable weight which may be 1000g or less. D750 is lighter than D810 but appears not light enough. A7RII, on the other hand, is significantly lighter than D810 and the total weight with Tamron lens(full frame) may be acceptable. But either D5500 or A6300 is definitely way lighter or half the weight of the reference combo.
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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Thu May 19, 2016 12:41 pm

Might looks at the D7200 as a weight/size/feature/price compromise between the D500 and D5500, but I'd still be leaning heavily toward the A6300. The Nikon DSLR would only be interesting for ergonomics, familiarity, and native compatibility with F-mount glass.
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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Thu May 19, 2016 1:11 pm

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Are mirrorless cameras under consideration?
That sony a6300 is a technological marvel considering it's size/weight.


Too bad it's so overpriced compared to the a6000. If you're not interested in shooting 4k video, then it is sort of hard to justify the almost 2x cost increase for the body.
 
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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Thu May 19, 2016 6:38 pm

Airmantharp wrote:
Might looks at the D7200 as a weight/size/feature/price compromise between the D500 and D5500, but I'd still be leaning heavily toward the A6300. The Nikon DSLR would only be interesting for ergonomics, familiarity, and native compatibility with F-mount glass.

I did look D7200 and found that it is lighter than D750 by only 2.5oz or 72g thus was dropped, though the price is significantly lower. If there is no weight advantage I prefer to D750 being a full frame camera since I already have a set of Nikon FX lenses. It appears that the total weight even with DX lens, cannot be below 1000g with D750.
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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Thu May 19, 2016 6:47 pm

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chµck wrote:
Are mirrorless cameras under consideration?
That sony a6300 is a technological marvel considering it's size/weight.


Too bad it's so overpriced compared to the a6000. If you're not interested in shooting 4k video, then it is sort of hard to justify the almost 2x cost increase for the body.

I am willing to accept compromised performance and features only if the total weight can be lower than about 1000g.
 
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Thu May 19, 2016 6:50 pm

I got a hands on with the D500 at a local Nikon event. It's a beautiful camera, and if I wasn't so heavily invested in FX lenses, I'd probably buy one.

Also, have you looked at the A7R II and some kind of Nikon F mount adapter? I think there is at least one adapter that allows AF with Nikon glass. Another option I'd consider.

I personally have just resigned myself to lugging around a big Nikon FX body and the best glass I can get for it.
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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Thu May 19, 2016 6:57 pm

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If weight is the primary concern here and you are getting DX lenses (essentially a new system), how about the EVIL's (Panasonic/Olympus m-4/3, Sony E-mount, etc.)?


So... is that a no from OP for MILCs?

Nikon is severely under-emphasizing their DX lenses. If you want good DX lenses, you'll have to go Sigma or Tokina.

Sony E mount similarly does not have a great lens lineup.

I think that the best MILC lenses (both quality and range) are found in m43 and Fuji X. Fuji X system bodies are too large, so not much of a step down from a FF DSLR. For a compact second camera system, it's hard to beat a Panasonic GM1 with a 12-32 pancake zoom or 15/1.7, 20/1.7 or 25/1.8 lens.

Or if you're willing to ditch ILC and have an all-in-one system, you could get a nice 1-inch or m43 sensor all-in-one from Sony or Panasonic.
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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Thu May 19, 2016 7:03 pm

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Also, have you looked at the A7R II and some kind of Nikon F mount adapter? I think there is at least one adapter that allows AF with Nikon glass. Another option I'd consider.


This is still a no-go- not only do you have the problems of the much more mature Canon adapters with some lenses working well and others not as well, or not at all, for AF, you also have Nikon's aperture tab to deal with and the high likelihood that you'll have exposure issues from that as well, either from poor manual interaction or poor adapter action.

The situation may improve, but it won't be tomorrow, and it'll have to improve a lot before it becomes feasible for casual work let alone professional work.
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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Thu May 19, 2016 7:20 pm

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I got a hands on with the D500 at a local Nikon event. It's a beautiful camera, and if I wasn't so heavily invested in FX lenses, I'd probably buy one.

Also, have you looked at the A7R II and some kind of Nikon F mount adapter? I think there is at least one adapter that allows AF with Nikon glass. Another option I'd consider.

I personally have just resigned myself to lugging around a big Nikon FX body and the best glass I can get for it.

Please see the table I posted above which includes D500 and A7RII. Which combo would you go for assuming the price is no object?
 
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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Thu May 19, 2016 7:22 pm

Since you've already got Nikon gear, you should probably stick with that rather than branching out to something like the EOS Rebel SL1 (407 g with battery and memory card). The standard EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM lens in the kit adds another 205 g to the most compact DSLR on the planet. With the 130 g EF 40mm f/2.8 STM lens mounted, it easily fits into a jacket pocket.
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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Thu May 19, 2016 7:28 pm

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Flying Fox wrote:
If weight is the primary concern here and you are getting DX lenses (essentially a new system), how about the EVIL's (Panasonic/Olympus m-4/3, Sony E-mount, etc.)?


So... is that a no from OP for MILCs?

Nikon is severely under-emphasizing their DX lenses. If you want good DX lenses, you'll have to go Sigma or Tokina.

Sony E mount similarly does not have a great lens lineup.

I think that the best MILC lenses (both quality and range) are found in m43 and Fuji X. Fuji X system bodies are too large, so not much of a step down from a FF DSLR. For a compact second camera system, it's hard to beat a Panasonic GM1 with a 12-32 pancake zoom or 15/1.7, 20/1.7 or 25/1.8 lens.

Or if you're willing to ditch ILC and have an all-in-one system, you could get a nice 1-inch or m43 sensor all-in-one from Sony or Panasonic.

I am considering MILC as shown in the table posted above. I still want to stay with ILC.
 
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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Thu May 19, 2016 7:28 pm

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Since you've already got Nikon gear, you should probably stick with that rather than branching out to something like the EOS Rebel SL1 (407 g with battery and memory card). The standard EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM lens in the kit adds another 205 g to the most compact DSLR on the planet. With the 130 g EF 40mm f/2.8 STM lens mounted, it easily fits into a jacket pocket.

The reason why we suggested looking at a different system altogether is the weight requirement. FX lenses are not light by themselves. So a DX body with an FX lens may already exceed the desired 1kg limit.
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Thu May 19, 2016 7:49 pm

My current walking-around kit is a 950 g EOS 5D Mk. III with a 600 g EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM lens mounted to it. However, the best thing that I ever did to reduce the pain in the neck from carrying around my DSLR was to replace the standard strap with an over-the-shoulder Black Rapid Sport as a direct result of the recommendation of forum gerbils Yeats and w00tstock.
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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Thu May 19, 2016 8:02 pm

The A7 series might be lighter overall but the battery life is inferior. Sony ships them with 2 batteries and they do 300-400 shots per battery? I have not shot with the D810 but I do have a D750 and I love it to bits. One charge gives you around around 1,000 shots or more if you don't use the LCD much.

I have the 24-120mm f4 FX and it is on the heavy side. I only use it when I want flexibility and am not sure what I will be photographing. When I do want to go light I use it with older D lenses. I have the 35mm f2D, 50mm f1.8D and 85mm f1.8D and they are light enough that in a bag the weight is evenly distributed that you don't feel it much. The other combo I use is a Ricoh GR that covers the 28mm focal length and usually the 85mm on my D750. I have used that for travelling and it covers the wide and the telephoto end so I don't have to be constantly switching lenses.

For when I really want to travel light (long day hikes), I have an Olympus E-M1 with the 12-40mm f2.8. Low light/dynamic range is no where near as good as the D750 but for general purpose shooting, that setup pretty much covers everything and is weatherproof as well.
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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Thu May 19, 2016 8:18 pm

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chµck wrote:
Are mirrorless cameras under consideration?
That sony a6300 is a technological marvel considering it's size/weight.


Too bad it's so overpriced compared to the a6000. If you're not interested in shooting 4k video, then it is sort of hard to justify the almost 2x cost increase for the body.

Good point.
If you don't need 4k or weathersealing, then you can save like $450 and 60g getting the a6000 vs a6300.
Save another ~100g getting the SEL1670Z f/4 lens (24-105mm eq)
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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Fri May 20, 2016 12:09 am

Costco doing an online only deal with the A6000 and 2 kit lenses for like $730? May be a good idea to try?

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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Fri May 20, 2016 12:28 am

JustAnEngineer wrote:
My current walking-around kit is a 950 g EOS 5D Mk. III with a 600 g EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM lens mounted to it. However, the best thing that I ever did to reduce the pain in the neck from carrying around my DSLR was to replace the standard strap with an over-the-shoulder Black Rapid Sport as a direct result of the recommendation of forum gerbils Yeats and w00tstock.

I definitely want to try the over-the-shoulder strap. I reviewed info at the link. May I ask which specific one and add-on optional parts you got?
 
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Fri May 20, 2016 12:51 am

churin wrote:
JustAnEngineer wrote:
My current walking-around kit is a 950 g EOS 5D Mk. III with a 600 g EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM lens mounted to it. However, the best thing that I ever did to reduce the pain in the neck from carrying around my DSLR was to replace the standard strap with an over-the-shoulder Black Rapid Sport as a direct result of the recommendation of forum gerbils Yeats and w00tstock.

I definitely want to try the over-the-shoulder strap. I reviewed info at the link. May I ask which specific one and add-on optional parts you got?


The basic Sport strap will screw directly into your camera's tripod socket- it's that simple unless you want to integrate other things, like say an Arca Swiss camera plate.
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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Fri May 20, 2016 6:00 am

churin wrote:
I have a D810 with 50mm f/1.4, 24-120mm f/4 and 16-35mm f4. which I have been using for about two years. I carry 24-120mm f/4 with D810 for pleasure trip. But now I am beginning to think that this combo is just too heavy for me to take for pleasure trip. I am considering to get a lighter DSLR. Is there anyone who experienced as mine and got lighter DSLR? I am looking D500, D5500 and DX lenses to go with these. Any suggestion or comment?

I'd love to take my 50mm 1.4 and my 85mm 1.4 with me on my travels but, to be honest with you, vacationing with my DSLR gear is a pain in the ass. When I am traveling I use my iPhone (pano/time-lapse) and a high-quality pocket camera (currently a RX100). I take a mono-pod with me to raise the hight of the RX100 way above me for interesting shots or for stability when taking video/pano. The beauty of this setup is that it is very light and can easily be hidden from view (theft avoidance).

If I'm on a dedicated photography trip then the camera gear is paramount. I'd love to get a 2nd DSLR to satisfy my ready to shoot lens needs. I enjoy taking photos at motorsport events. Ideally I want to be able to walk around the track/pits with both my 85mm 1.4 and my 150-500mm mounted on a dedicated camera body.
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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Sat May 21, 2016 12:56 am

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Maybe a Nikon DL 24-85 if you're willing to give up some range at the tele end. With the 2.7x crop factor, I think it'd translate roughly to a 24-85 f/4.9-7.6 on Full Frame. (With ISO 200 on the DL 24-85 being roughly the same as ISO 800 on the D810, probably). You can just try it out on your D810 and see if that smaller range would be too limiting or not.

Timing may be a problem?
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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Sun May 22, 2016 8:56 pm

Mirrorless or large sensor compact. I travel with my d800e and a Fuji x70. This gives me a pocketable option for the portions of a trip I don't want to have the d800 out due to convenience or security concerns.

If you are buying a dedicated travel system to leave the d810 completely behind, consider the following


http://www.dslrbodies.com/cameras/camer ... l-kit.html
http://www.sansmirror.com/articles/thre ... rless.html

I'd strongly consider the mirrorless for the size savings for a dedicated travel kit, but my current choice is to have a small camera in addition to the dslr as I want an option I can pocket. none of the system cameras are small quite enough for that use case, although a small mirrorless and a couple of pancakes would be close.
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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Mon May 23, 2016 12:46 am

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Mirrorless or large sensor compact. I travel with my d800e and a Fuji x70. This gives me a pocketable option for the portions of a trip I don't want to have the d800 out due to convenience or security concerns.

If you are buying a dedicated travel system to leave the d810 completely behind, consider the following


http://www.dslrbodies.com/cameras/camer ... l-kit.html
http://www.sansmirror.com/articles/thre ... rless.html

I'd strongly consider the mirrorless for the size savings for a dedicated travel kit, but my current choice is to have a small camera in addition to the dslr as I want an option I can pocket. none of the system cameras are small quite enough for that use case, although a small mirrorless and a couple of pancakes would be close.

Thanks for your suggestion and the links which are very helpful.
 
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Re: Recommendation for 2nd DSLR

Mon May 23, 2016 4:47 pm

How set are you on it being a ILC?
If you're planning on leaving a lens on your camera, consider the sony rx100iv instead:
-4k video
-up to 1000fps slow motion recording
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-24-70mm equivalent, f/1.8-2.8
-wifi control via phone/tablet
-300g
just remember to pack a spare battery.
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