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Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:38 pm

I'm in the market for a new monitor (if/when I get budgetary approval from the wife :wink: ) in the 27" - 32" 1440p range. Haven't yet made up my mind for aspect ratio, I used my brother's 29" 21:9 monitor for a while and it felt good for gaming, but clumsy for desktop/office use. I have ZERO experience with curved monitors aside from briefly glancing at a couple in passing at Best Buy. My initial thoughts are that 27" 16:9 or 29" 21:9 is about the size limit I consider appropriate for flat panels. There are more and more curved monitors showing up in the market (even down to 22" monitors), but I'm just not 100% convinced that the curve doesn't "distract" from the perception(?) of on-screen objects.

So what are your opinions? Is the curve noticeable/natural? How are curved screens in gaming scenarios? What about general office use? Does anyone have experience with multiple curve Radii?
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Mon Aug 07, 2017 2:51 pm

You get some pretty minor image distortion that your brain rapidly adapts to. Even on 1800R and 2000R screens, I didn't really notice the distortion - especially since the way FOV is rendered on a flat screen isn't really accurate to the way our eyes work anyway, so our vision is already used to dealing with warped perspective anyway. It's just a little bit different.

Where the curved screens help is twofold.

1) They make the focal distance more uniform across the screen. If you have issues or get eyestrain from changing focal distance (I hear it's pretty common as you get older anyway) then a curved screen will bring the focal distance you need for the corners closer to the focal distance you need for the center of the screen.

2) They reduce the severity of the viewing angles at the edges of the screen. That doesn't matter a whole lot with a good quality VA screen, but it helps with TN and IPS, especially with a reduction of IPS corner-glow.

The downside to curved screens is that manufacturers seem to struggle with backlight uniformity and edge bleeding more than with flat panels. The LG I tried was pretty leaky, but at least it was uniform. The Acer with a Samsung VA panel was much better in terms of leakage but the white uniformity wasn't brilliant. It was no worse than my TV I guess....
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:04 pm

It is just the latest fad in monitors. It is more for aesthetics of the monitor itself then anything else.
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:13 pm

The only curved monitors should be curved out toward the user, like the kind I play my Sega tapes on.

I don't have much personal experience with a curved LCD, but I shift around in my chair all day. I'm sure I'm sitting at suboptimal angles for a big chunk of my day and I don't see how the curve would help. It might help for the area I moved away from, but the closer area would be (potentially) harder to see. I just can't get behind it because of my own personal use cases. Others might find them extremely handy.
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:13 am

Such monitors are great for 3D effects but I still prefer flat for more comfortable view.
 
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:40 am

Just this week, I upgraded from a 10½ year-old Dell UltraSharp 3007WFP with a 16½ year-old 2001FP beside it to a brand new curved Samsung C32HG70. At the moment, I've got an UltraSharp U2410 in portrait mode beside it.

1800R curvature on a 32" diagonal monitor seems mild enough that I can tolerate it. I absolutely was not shopping for a curved monitor. I selected this model for its other features, particularly the 144Hz refresh rate with FreeSync2.
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:22 am

There is a pretty ubiquitous sale going on across Canada right now on the Samsung C347F91 - The extremely curved 34" 3440x1440 100Hz freesync quantum dot screen that was part of the Vega bundles. (About $800 USD). And seeing as you can't really buy Vega in Canada right now, I think this is cruel and unusual retail practices. :lol:

Anyway, as I've just picked up a 1080 Ti, I was wondering on whether it would be an absolutely terrible idea to grab a 100Hz monitor, even if it's not G-Sync (and I don't have an AMD card). Apparently if you can get far enough above 60Hz, then adaptive sync becomes less and less of an issue. And some people using high refresh monitors without adaptive sync claim no issues in tearing or smoothness. For the price, it's tempting.

And I really don't like the idea of paying $300+ more for a G-Sync equivalent.
 
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:35 am

JustAnEngineer wrote:
Just this week, I upgraded from a 10½ year-old Dell UltraSharp 3007WFP with a 16½ year-old 2001FP beside it to a brand new curved Samsung C32HG70. At the moment, I've got an UltraSharp U2410 in portrait mode beside it.

1800R curvature on a 32" diagonal monitor seems mild enough that I can tolerate it. I absolutely was not shopping for a curved monitor. I selected this model for its other features, particularly the 144Hz refresh rate with FreeSync2.


Have you tried Vega with the Dell 30"? I'm curious whether you feel the 16:9 curved monitor is a profound upgrade over the 30" as I have a u3011. Specifically, how playing games at settings that get you a minimum refresh rate of 60Hz+ on the Dell at 2560x1600 compares to the new Samsung at the same settings.

Also, what did you end up doing with the Dell?
 
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:52 am

I gave the 2560x1600 UltraSharp 3007WFP to my father and took his 1920x1200 UltraSharp U2410 to use as a secondary monitor. The old 2001FP has been having issues with resolution identification, so it went to the electronics recycling center.

The only game that I've tried since getting the C32HG70 set up today is Guild Wars 2. Mass Effect: Andromeda is one of the titles that supports HDR gaming. I plan to load it up soon.
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:53 am

I own curved 21:9 monitor, 34''. What I can say is that it absolutely doesn't matter, basically what Krogoth said. The curvature is way to low to change viewing angles or distance to eye in a significant way.

That doesn't mean it's a bad thing - you adapt very quickly and stop noticing it.

As for desktop use, it is really great to me, but it requires some tool to divide the screen into sections, so snapping windows to those sections is easy. I use free software called GridMove, but there are actually many options for that, including some nice-looking commercial tools, like this one:

https://www.nurgo-software.com/products/aquasnap

With a tool like that you can work in similar way to having 2 monitors, only you don't have bezels in the middle and you can change how the screen is divided. For example, in my configuration I have a big window in the middle of the screen, taking about 50% horizontally (I use it for browser and other main applications) and 2 smaller parts on left and right (each has a slightly different size though, to fit software I'm typically using there). And any time I need to, I can easily use the whole screen for one application, for example for big excel table.

My experience with desktop usage is actually better than with gaming, as some games are not working perfectly with 21:9 ratio, UI is not designed for it in general. Also for more demanding games you can't simply divide the screen resolution by two to get better FPS, as that would be too few pixels vertically.

One more thing that is irritating is YouTube, which still doesn't support 21:9 ratio and you end up with black stripes on the sides, top and bottom. There are some browser plugins to fix that, but they don't work very well.
 
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:40 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:
...beside it to a brand new curved Samsung C32HG70.

1800R curvature on a 32" diagonal monitor seems mild enough that I can tolerate it. I absolutely was not shopping for a curved monitor. I selected this model for its other features, particularly the 144Hz refresh rate with FreeSync2.

I've got my eyes locked solidly on that model. I'd be interested in a mini-review after you've used it a bit. Like you, I'm not really interested in the curvature, but if it isn't an issue, I could probably tolerate it.
 
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:49 pm

I'm using a curved 38" 3840x1600 display at home. It took me a week or two to get used to it but all is good. It now feels weird when I use any of my 27" 2560x1440 displays.
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:10 pm

I figured out how to navigate the monitor's on-screen menus to turn on DisplayPort 1.4 and FreeSync. Guild Wars 2 looks noticeably nicer in HDR with FreeSync running. The 1800R curve is definitely not going to be a problem. It's there, but it's not enough to interfere with my enjoyment of the game. The curvature is more noticeable if the monitor isn't at the same elevation as my eyes.

It's either amusing or alarming that the main monitor dims when I switch to the secondary. P.S.: Fixed. I set the new monitor to 10-bit color depth and the old one to 8-bit in the AMD Radeon Settings, and we're all good.
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P.P.S.: $400 + 7 shipping for the Radeon RX Vega56 plus $650 + free shipping for the C32HG70 is about $250 less than I spent for the UltraSharp 3007WFP alone a decade ago, let alone the graphics cards that I had to purchase to play games on it.
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:10 pm

Does my LG G4 count? I'd owned it for nearly a year before I realized it has a curved screen! :lol:

Prior to that, the only curved screens I'd owned were CRTs, so curved in the opposite direction.
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:41 pm

A pretty resounding "meh" from me. I had a Predator X34 for a bit. The monitor was great, but it wasn't because of the curve.
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:12 pm

Awww JAE, you beat me to the holy grail. Please let me know in the coming weeks what you think. Jealous.

I see the C27HG70 comes out on Sept 6. I can't decide if 32" is too large or not, so I'll be eyeing the 27" version to see what the price is.
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:24 am

DPete27 wrote:
I see the C27HG70 comes out on Sept 6. I'll be eyeing the 27" version to see what the price is.
I bought the 31½" version from Amazon on 8/26 for $650 with free shipping. They've currently got the 27" version at $600. :-?

The size of the monitor has a big influence on immersion. I'm also reaching the point in life where tinier pixels aren't helpful. :x
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:37 am

(although this isn't specifically on topic with this thread) Any impressions as to the panel itself? Color, uniformity, backlight bleed, ghosting, other odd characteristics?
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:21 am

I've owned both 34" flat and 34" curved monitors and prefer the flat. At 27-32", the curve is pretty pointless. But my use case is a bit unique (monitor doubles as television).
 
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:47 am

DPete27 wrote:
(although this isn't specifically on topic with this thread) Any impressions as to the panel itself? Color, uniformity, backlight bleed, ghosting, other odd characteristics?

I second this.
 
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:15 am

I have the Samsung C347F91 myself (well, the smaller 24" version of it). Took me about a week to get used to it, now I don't even notice the curve any more.

Otherwise, what _Chrispy said: 1) the edges and center are equally distant, and 2) there's no color distortion at the edges.

Side note: This VA screen is awesome. I only got it because of a NewEgg sale on Freesync monitors, but there's nothing else like it. The only possible downside is that the brightness is insanely high and I've had to tone it down a bit. It actually makes my old Dell Ultrasharp IPS monitors look bad in comparison.
 
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:26 am

Kretschmer wrote:
I've owned both 34" flat and 34" curved monitors and prefer the flat. At 27-32", the curve is pretty pointless. But my use case is a bit unique (monitor doubles as television).

It could be that the curve is useless alltogether. I would love to compare my curved 38” display to a similiar display in a flat form factor. I bought my display for the resolution, not the curve.
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:49 pm

I've never used one for extended periods of time but I've seen quite a number of them at shows and the occasional electronics store. My take is that 30+ curved makes more sense than 30+ flat unless you sit really far away from it. Oddly enough, as much as I hate 16:9 compared to 16:10 I actually kind of like 21:9 since 21:9 is a lot like two oldschool 5:4 panels. And let's be honest here, 16:10 may be the aspect ratio of kings but dual 5:4 from circa 2003 to 2010 was the aspect ratio of gods.
 
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Sat Sep 09, 2017 4:29 am

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I've never used one for extended periods of time but I've seen quite a number of them at shows and the occasional electronics store. My take is that 30+ curved makes more sense than 30+ flat unless you sit really far away from it. Oddly enough, as much as I hate 16:9 compared to 16:10 I actually kind of like 21:9 since 21:9 is a lot like two oldschool 5:4 panels. And let's be honest here, 16:10 may be the aspect ratio of kings but dual 5:4 from circa 2003 to 2010 was the aspect ratio of gods.

Over a decade ago I started buying 1920x1200 display as I preferred them over displays featuring 1920x1080. That may pin me down as a 16:10 snob but it was never about the aspect ratio. I wanted as many vertical pixels as I could afford. The aspect ratio has always been irrelevant to me.
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:43 am

I use a curved 21:9 Samsung monitor, SE790C, VA panel with 3440 x 1440 resolution. All LCDs have some amount of color and contrast shift as the angle to your eyes changes. I've observed especially on 21:9 monitors that the curve does indeed help to keep the screen more uniform. When I was shopping for my monitor I went to Fry's and looked at each monitor and analyzed how I subjectively liked or disliked the pros and cons of each monitor. Reviews and comments from others are a great starting point, but nothing beats your own eyes and preferences. Many prefer IPS panels due to the largest viewing angles but I personally prefer VA panels that have higher contrast levels and the curve helps a lot with VA to keep the screen uniform to the eye.

IPS glow really annoys me personally, my husband uses the ASUS MG279Q IPS 2560x1440 which is a great monitor but the IPS glow kills it for me. Even the curved LG monitors were unacceptable to me visually due to the IPS glow. Now you may not mind the IPS glow, my husband doesn't notice it. So at the end of the day, if its possible to get the monitor from a brick and motor store go in and look at each monitor's screen personally. If you get the one that produces an image that you like best then it doesn't matter what anyone else prefers. Curved, not curved, IPS, VA, TN, specific resolution, screen ratio, refresh rate all have trade offs that only you can determine are of more importance for you visually.
 
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:53 am

VA displays that I have used have been brutally bad. I have one out of four) IPS display with bad bleed but it is rare to see it during normal usage. I'll replace it with another IPS display at some point. If it came down to an IPS with bad bleed or a VA display I'd take the IPS display in a heartbeat.
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:56 am

Oh and funny story about going into Fry's. While I was looking and analyzing the monitors a sales associate came up to me to "assist". He spouted off selling point fluff that had no pertinence to which monitor someone should buy. When I started referring to IPS glow, color shift, and even refresh rates he had no earthly clue what I was talking about. I took the time and showed him how to look for IPS glow, color shift, and how to find the refresh rates with the monitors right in front of him. I wish I got paid for the service I provided in training Fry's sales associate, but at least he was interested in learning and hopefully he'll use the knowledge to better inform other customers instead of that fluff garbage he was spouting previously.
 
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

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VA displays that I have used have been brutally bad. I have one out of four) IPS display with bad bleed but it is rare to see it during normal usage. I'll replace it with another IPS display at some point. If it came down to an IPS with bad bleed or a VA display I'd take the IPS display in a heartbeat.


And that is completely valid for you to have that preference. I seem to notice the bleed from IPS more than VA's color shift and contrast flattening at extreme angles. This is especially so since my VA screen is curved which seems to help prevent those cons and since I primarily look at my monitor straight on. The bleed from IPS is seen straight on so for me it is harder to mask or get rid of. That's my personal preference but others like IPS and don't seem to be bothered by the IPS glow like my husband. But that's why I suggest going into a store and seeing how the monitor displays personally. I'll get an IPS if I personally see it and the IPS glow is low enough not to bother me, and it also helps to prevent me from getting a VA monitor that has way too much color shift.
 
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:54 am

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VA displays that I have used have been brutally bad. I have one out of four) IPS display with bad bleed but it is rare to see it during normal usage. I'll replace it with another IPS display at some point. If it came down to an IPS with bad bleed or a VA display I'd take the IPS display in a heartbeat.


What VA monitors are you buying? My old BenQ FP241W has such high IQ that my Dad uses it for astrophotography editing. I'm really curious what your bad experiences have been, and what monitors you bought. I've owned a variety of Samsung/BenQ/Asus and never seen an issue. Well, except for the lack of IPS glow.
 
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Re: Your Impressions of Curved Monitors

Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:13 pm

I saw some 21:9 ultrawide 1080p monitors for under $150. I'm tempted to try replacing dual 1080p monitors for some of my underlings at work.

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