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I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:18 pm

After having four applications(or more) open at time now, I'm petty much thinking that I will be replacing my current display much sooner then I first planned on. When I brought my Dell 3014 30" 2560x1600 back in 2013, I was thinking that I woundn't need another monitor for at least ten years as 1600p should be enough for everyone no matter what. Well talking about getting a very shock rude after discovering that yes, I do have a very good use case for a larger and higher resolution display. Being able to have four 1080p windows open at once in a quad sure does increase productivity by a huge margin.

So at the moment I am now wondering how can I afford a new 40" 4K display next year and get over the fact that I paid $1000 for my current monitor 4.5 years ago and still has a very long life left in it.... :cry:

And just to think, I was planing on building a new rig in a few years and still be using my current display. So looks I have to decide on a new rig or a bigger and higher resolution monitor. :o And I'm really considering the monitor.

What do you guys think?
 
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Re: I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:25 pm

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Re: I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:27 pm

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I thought about that, but how hard is it to get a TV that can be used as a decent PC display, I'm guessing Walmart is out of the question?
 
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Re: I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:27 pm

Am I correct in remembering that your 3014 is your only display? If so, keep your current display and just get a secondary display. I have two U3415Ws which I got 2-3 years ago for about $500 each, so don't expect to pay another $1000 in order to get something decent.
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Re: I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:30 pm

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Am I correct in remembering that your 3014 is your only display? If so, keep your current display and just get a secondary display. I have two U3415Ws which I got 2-3 years ago for about $500 each, so don't expect to pay another $1000 in order to get something decent.

Yes you are correct that I only have one display. However I'm not sure if I can fit an extra display with the desk I have now.
 
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Re: I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:41 pm

Read some of the articles. There are a few specifications you need to research and be careful about, but televisions are getting better and cheaper faster than monitors, IMHO. You can get 40" 4K TV for so much less than a monitor and it doesn't have to be a no-name brand...
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Electronics-UN40MU6300-40-Inch-Ultra/dp/B06XGVQYQZ/ref=sr_1_7?s=tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1510717116&sr=1-7&keywords=40%22+4k+tv&refinements=p_n_size_browse-bin%3A3578041011%2Cp_n_feature_keywords_three_browse-bin%3A7688788011
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Re: I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:50 pm

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Read some of the articles. There are a few specifications you need to research and be careful about, but televisions are getting better and cheaper faster than monitors, IMHO. You can get 40" 4K TV for so much less than a monitor and it doesn't have to be a no-name brand...
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Electronics-UN40MU6300-40-Inch-Ultra/dp/B06XGVQYQZ/ref=sr_1_7?s=tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1510717116&sr=1-7&keywords=40%22+4k+tv&refinements=p_n_size_browse-bin%3A3578041011%2Cp_n_feature_keywords_three_browse-bin%3A7688788011

At $411 +s/h that is a very reasonable price. And much easier to save up for.
 
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Re: I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:26 pm

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N2 ... 20&ie=UTF8

This is the one that's cheap and has a very low input lag (..for a TV).

From rtings.com:

80% Response Time: 6.3 ms
100% Response Time: 14.4 ms

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Re: I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:47 pm

TVs also occasionally have 'features' like mine won't do 1440p60 even though it does 4K60.
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Re: I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:03 am

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TVs also occasionally have 'features' like mine won't do 1440p60 even though it does 4K60.

Seriously??? :evil: :roll:
 
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Re: I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:09 am

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Seriously??? :evil: :roll:

That was pretty much my reaction. I assume the usual suspects do it fine but I honestly don't know.

The TV still makes old content look fantastic. I like it in the other room for overnight but it'd be great with my PC as a secondary option too so...blah.
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Re: I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:18 am

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whm1974 wrote:
Seriously??? :evil: :roll:

That was pretty much my reaction. I assume the usual suspects do it fine but I honestly don't know.

The TV still makes old content look fantastic. I like it in the other room for overnight but it'd be great with my PC as a secondary option too so...blah.

I'm more or less looking at 40" 4k mainly for productivity uses as I'm not sure about gaming at that resolution on a GTX 970 even with older/less demanding games. As of now I'm fine with 1440p/1600p anyway, it's the ability to have four windows opened in a quad 1080p I'm really wanting anyway.
 
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Re: I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:45 am

If your primary goal is productivity, then you should definitely make sure that text displays well. I have 3 40+ inch 4K displays in current use:

- Philips BDM4065UC: 40-inch MVA panel, vibrant colours, good text reproduction, not the best colour accuracy or backlight. No HDCP 2.2 support (required for 4k playback from external sources). Used as a productivity and programming display (at work)
- LG 43UD79-B: 43-inch IPS Panel, better colour accuracy and backlight, good text reproduction. Does have HDCP 2.2 support. Used as a productivity and programming display (at home).
- LD C755P: 55-inch OLED TV, ridiculously vibrant colours and contrast ratio, HDR, but text don't look so good, even after calibration. Used as a living room media display (duh). I know about how Windows text looks on it because my HTPC/Gaming PC is the primary display source, along with my XBox One S (for 4K BluRay).

My point is that the best 4K TV panel you can buy in 2017 isn't that hot out of the box at text display (and since that's not my primary use case for the display, I haven't spent _that_ much time mucking with settings in an attempt to fix that). If you decide to go the TV route, as opposed to a monitor, do your legwork to ensure that you'll be able to calibrate said TV for acceptable text reproduction. I did a little extra googling while typing this post, and I trust that you'd be able to accomplish this for most decent 4k panels - but I'll leave the "verify" part of "trust, but verify" up to you :-)

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Seriously??? :evil: :roll:

That was pretty much my reaction. I assume the usual suspects do it fine but I honestly don't know.

The TV still makes old content look fantastic. I like it in the other room for overnight but it'd be great with my PC as a secondary option too so...blah.

I'm more or less looking at 40" 4k mainly for productivity uses as I'm not sure about gaming at that resolution on a GTX 970 even with older/less demanding games. As of now I'm fine with 1440p/1600p anyway, it's the ability to have four windows opened in a quad 1080p I'm really wanting anyway.
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Re: I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:01 am

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If your primary goal is productivity, then you should definitely make sure that text displays well. I have 3 40+ inch 4K displays in current use:

- Philips BDM4065UC: 40-inch MVA panel, vibrant colours, good text reproduction, not the best colour accuracy or backlight. No HDCP 2.2 support (required for 4k playback from external sources). Used as a productivity and programming display (at work)
- LG 43UD79-B: 43-inch IPS Panel, better colour accuracy and backlight, good text reproduction. Does have HDCP 2.2 support. Used as a productivity and programming display (at home).
- LD C755P: 55-inch OLED TV, ridiculously vibrant colours and contrast ratio, HDR, but text don't look so good, even after calibration. Used as a living room media display (duh). I know about how Windows text looks on it because my HTPC/Gaming PC is the primary display source, along with my XBox One S (for 4K BluRay).

My point is that the best 4K TV panel you can buy in 2017 isn't that hot out of the box at text display (and since that's not my primary use case for the display, I haven't spent _that_ much time mucking with settings in an attempt to fix that). If you decide to go the TV route, as opposed to a monitor, do your legwork to ensure that you'll be able to calibrate said TV for acceptable text reproduction. I did a little extra googling while typing this post, and I trust that you'd be able to accomplish this for most decent 4k panels - but I'll leave the "verify" part of "trust, but verify" up to you :-)

Yeah but I'm looking for the best 4K panel that can used for a computer display anyway, so decent text is a must as well as low input lag among other things. While I do game, I'm not planning on 4K gaming since my GTX 970 is rather limited at 4K, and I can't afford to replace both my display and GPU at the same time, and that is not why I'm badly wanting a 4K display anyway.

Looking around the Web, a major beef I'm having is how many TVs are curved while I know that I need flat ones. :evil: :roll:
 
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Re: I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:06 am

www.rtings.com for reviews of 4K TVs that might decently serve the purpose of a monitor. Though beware monitors usually adhere to more stringent radiation standards and since TVs are not really supposed to be seen less than 4 feet away, you might end up receiving a higher dose of radiation over your lifetime than you might want.
 
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Re: I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:25 am

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Am I correct in remembering that your 3014 is your only display? If so, keep your current display and just get a secondary display. I have two U3415Ws which I got 2-3 years ago for about $500 each, so don't expect to pay another $1000 in order to get something decent.

Yes you are correct that I only have one display. However I'm not sure if I can fit an extra display with the desk I have now.

But you think you can fit a 40"? Does not compute.

I know you're on a tight budget; do what I suggested in one of your other threads: Find a secondhand cheap/free 17" or 19", and use it as a secondary display. I'm not nearly as cash constrained as you are, and that's what I did. :wink:
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Re: I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:08 am

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Am I correct in remembering that your 3014 is your only display? If so, keep your current display and just get a secondary display. I have two U3415Ws which I got 2-3 years ago for about $500 each, so don't expect to pay another $1000 in order to get something decent.

Yes you are correct that I only have one display. However I'm not sure if I can fit an extra display with the desk I have now.

But you think you can fit a 40"? Does not compute.

I know you're on a tight budget; do what I suggested in one of your other threads: Find a secondhand cheap/free 17" or 19", and use it as a secondary display. I'm not nearly as cash constrained as you are, and that's what I did. :wink:

I thought you are using a 4K display? I can save up for a new display if I put my mind to it.
 
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Re: I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:14 am

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Yes you are correct that I only have one display. However I'm not sure if I can fit an extra display with the desk I have now.

But you think you can fit a 40"? Does not compute.

I know you're on a tight budget; do what I suggested in one of your other threads: Find a secondhand cheap/free 17" or 19", and use it as a secondary display. I'm not nearly as cash constrained as you are, and that's what I did. :wink:

I thought you are using a 4K display? I can save up for a new display if I put my mind to it.

I use a 4K at work because I didn't have to pay for it.

The work setup:
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At home I have a 21" plus a pair of old 17"s, set up in triple-head. The 17" ones were free. All I needed was a $10 HDMI to VGA converter (since my GPU only has one analog VGA out, and both 17" displays are old enough that they are analog-only).

The home setup:
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I'd like to remove the stands from the two that are sitting on the desk, and use monitor arms to bolt them to the uprights of the shelving unit. One of many things on the ever-growing "to do" list...
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Re: I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:35 am

Well it is going to be a while before I do anything anyway. I have do to more research. I just thinking that would I never even have a use case for anything higher then 2560x1600 to begin with.
 
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Re: I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:52 am

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Well it is going to be a while before I do anything anyway. I have do to more research. I just thinking that would I never even have a use case for anything higher then 2560x1600 to begin with.

I thought the same thing when they offered me the 4K at work, but I took it anyway since I wasn't paying for it. I've come to appreciate the extra screen real estate. In fact, getting the 4K at work is what got me to rig the extra displays at home.

In some ways, the ghetto triple-head setup is actually better for my use case than a single 4K display. The 21" is on a KVM (the other two are permanently connected to my primary desktop). 4K KVMs are expensive, and I don't think the older systems connected to the KVM can deal with 4K anyway. Plus, the hole in the upper right quadrant is where my work laptop goes when I'm working from home -- I leave the laptop screen on the native OS X desktop, and full-screen the Linux VM I use for development on the 21".
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Re: I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:57 am

Neutronbeam wrote:
save a cubic assload of cash


This. The panels that go into 40" TVs and 40" Monitors are pretty much the same thing off the same production line. The difference is that TV's come with a lot of other BS and postprocessing, which you can disable to make it behave more like a monitor:
  • Dynamic contrast, off
  • Motion interpolation, off
  • Movie/Game mode, off
  • 1:1 pixel mapping, on,
  • Colour mode, user 0,0,0 adjustments
  • HDMI black level, low(est)
  • Noise-reduction, off
  • Sharpening, off.

Voila, it's a monitor with speakers.
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Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:22 am

I have a 38UC99-W and I find that it works well with virtual desktops.

I love virtual desktops and full screen apps on my 13" MBP (no external display) - it is probably my fav productivity setup
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Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:39 am

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I have a 38UC99-W and I find that it works well with virtual desktops.

I love virtual desktops and full screen apps on my 13" MBP (no external display) - it is probably my fav productivity setup

My eyes are getting too old for a 13" high DPI display. 4K 28" is a no-go at native resolution as well. I find that I need to turn on scaling, which means the amount of information I can get on the screen is no better than with a lower DPI display. It sure looks purty though -- ooh, those smooth, anti-aliased fonts!
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Re: I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:49 am

This is a 42.5" monitor from LG. Does 4K and freesync
http://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-43UD79 ... ed-monitor
It should feel like four full HD 21inch screens when split 4 ways.
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I have a 38UC99-W and I find that it works well with virtual desktops.

I love virtual desktops and full screen apps on my 13" MBP (no external display) - it is probably my fav productivity setup

My eyes are getting too old for a 13" high DPI display.

I need to have my glasses on before I can use any display.
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Re: I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:30 am

Me too. Unfortunately, for HDPI laptop screens to be usable at native resolution, I'd need to get trifocals or something. My focal range is very limited even with glasses.

I suppose I could just take the glasses off and put my nose up against the screen. :-?
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Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:32 am

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This is a 42.5" monitor from LG. Does 4K and freesync
http://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-43UD79 ... ed-monitor

Oh crap. I can't. I don't need it. But I want it. Damn it!
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Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:42 am

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This is a 42.5" monitor from LG. Does 4K and freesync
http://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-43UD79 ... ed-monitor
It should feel like four full HD 21inch screens when split 4 ways.
Maybe you should consider it OP?

I'll take it, if someone else buys it. It looks like a super option. I'm going to have to get by with my 2560x1440 display, though. :lol:
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Re: I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:48 am

I have not yet read entire thread but...
Have you thought about running the 4K as 4x1080p windows that if you have a beefy enough video card to do what you want?
 
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Re: I sure wish I have a 40" 4K display...

Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:07 pm

Samsung's higher-end TVs have some of the nicest monitor-ish panels, and some of them have low input lag modes that are basically hdmi 2.0 monitors. I have a JS9000 48" that was $800 on sale, and quite frankly it has better text and colors than most regular monitors. I really wish I could talk to it over displayport or similar, the panel is true 10bit and 120hz internally but hdmi cartel and all that :(

Unfortunately in NA finding any of the better TVs under 48" is hard-to-impossible, for some reason europe gets all the 40-43" models.

You might try the korean market route, there are a fair number of larger screens with DP 1.2 etc, although panel quality varies a ton so you need to do buyer's research. No import taxes to US (free trade thing) and shipping cost is similar to domestic, many sellers even do free-to-48.
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