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Chrispy_ wrote:Does HDMI 2.1 not automatically imply eARC anyway?
That'll work for me. I've always prefered to use my HDTV as an HDMI hub for one-remote simplicity.
The Egg wrote:As a bit of a sidenote, I'm curious as to why the original Xbox hardware couldn't implement Freesync. Perhaps the original PS4 has the same issue as well, but even just enabling it on the Pro would probably do the trick.
*especially since I just bought a Freesync monitor
The Egg wrote:As a bit of a sidenote, I'm curious as to why the original Xbox hardware couldn't implement Freesync.
Kretschmer wrote:FFS NVidia, either start working with your partners to release a similar scope of GSync displays
Kretschmer wrote:FFS NVidia, either start working with your partners to release a similar scope of GSync displays or throw in the towel and let me use my 1080Ti with the latest tech.
DPete27 wrote:Why would Nvidia care? They don't make monitors.
DPete27 wrote:I don't blame them for stringing out GSync as long as possible, it was the smart thing to do. They were first to market with VRR, but FreeSync was better. It just sucks to be vendor locked to a monitor.
Usacomp2k3 wrote:DPete27 wrote:Why would Nvidia care? They don't make monitors.
Their name is still tied to GSync, which at this point is pretty much a guarantee of a good experience, versus freesync which can be hit or miss due to some of the low-end monitors.
Usacomp2k3 wrote:Kretschmer wrote:FFS NVidia, either start working with your partners to release a similar scope of GSync displays or throw in the towel and let me use my 1080Ti with the latest tech.
The main problem with Freesync vs GSync is that Freesync as a check-box feature means that it is added to all sorts of crappy display with very narrow VRR windows. Until there is an easy way to differentiate good Freesync vs Freesynch-as-a-checkbox, I don't think nVidia will switch gears.
Usacomp2k3 wrote:The main problem with Freesync vs GSync is that Freesync as a check-box feature means that it is added to all sorts of crappy display with very narrow VRR windows. Until there is an easy way to differentiate good Freesync vs Freesynch-as-a-checkbox, I don't think nVidia will switch gears.
The Egg wrote:I'm pretty sure Freesync 2 establishes some sort of minimum refresh rate, though it's a little unclear whether it's a hard number, or a ratio (maximum at least 2.5x the minimum).
Kretschmer wrote:FFS NVidia, either start working with your partners to release a similar scope of GSync displays or throw in the towel and let me use my 1080Ti with the latest tech.
flatpanelshd wrote:The other supported system is HDMI 2.1’s so-called VRR (variable refresh rate), which is the HDMI Organization’s standardized version that largely resembles FreeSync in form and function but is intended for TVs. It is not identical to FreeSync, according to Samsung.
Ryu Connor wrote:If you're speaking specifically to the opening post TV, I'm not sure what you expect NVIDIA to do. FreeSync HDMI is proprietary, as is the FreeSync 2 HDR tech.
DPete27 wrote:You're saying nobody else can run VESA Adaptive Sync over HDMI? I thought that was part of the HDMI 2.0 spec sheet.
The FreeSync 2 HDR stuff seems more driver-based, to which I'd imagine Nvidia could implement similar features.
LostCat wrote:Obviously I can't speak for AMD either way, but they haven't shown to be nearly as interested in shutting out the competition as NVIDIA has.
DPete27 wrote:You're saying nobody else can run VESA Adaptive Sync over HDMI? I thought that was part of the HDMI 2.0 spec sheet.
The FreeSync 2 HDR stuff seems more driver-based, to which I'd imagine Nvidia could implement similar features.
Ryu Connor wrote:They're a for profit business, you're not gonna find any Saints around here.
DPete27 wrote:Why would Nvidia care? They don't make monitors.
IIRC, GSync modules are still FPGAs and they haven't moved to ASICs yet. Nvidia probably cut all R&D of GSync modules a long time ago and are just milking the exclusivity to recoup R&D costs and get as much profit as possible until GSync sales drop below a given threshold. Once they support VESA Adaptive Sync, GSync monitor sales will dry up in a hurry.
I don't blame them for stringing out GSync as long as possible, it was the smart thing to do. They were first to market with VRR, but FreeSync was better. It just sucks to be vendor locked to a monitor.
Ryu Connor wrote:AMD will not be licensing their proprietary tech to NVIDIA. You guys are killing me with the whole AMD is a non-profit corporation talk. Please remember they are a for profit business. You buying a RADEON and AMD only FreeSync display is more valuable than playing nice with NVIDIA. AMD employs evil marketing geniuses too. Those evil geniuses like to publicly play up that AMD is a David versus the NVIDIA Goliath, while privately taking steps to do the same thing NVIDIA does. FreeSync HDMI & FreeSync 2 HDR are the steps toward creating an AMD only monitor ecosystem to lock you in, while still riding the early wave of evil NVIDIA being obstinate. "If only NVIDIA would just support the standard. Alas and alack."
Evil_marketing_geniuses. They're a for profit business, you're not gonna find any Saints around here.
Ryu Connor wrote:DPete27 wrote:You're saying nobody else can run VESA Adaptive Sync over HDMI? I thought that was part of the HDMI 2.0 spec sheet.
The FreeSync 2 HDR stuff seems more driver-based, to which I'd imagine Nvidia could implement similar features.
No, it is not part of the HDMI 2.0 spec sheet. HDMI 2.1 added VRR and that VRR is not FreeSync. HDMI decided their VRR needed to implement a completely different electrical signaling method.
The HDMI standard allows for vendor-specific extensions to the specifications. AMD used that to create HDMI FreeSync. HDMI FreeSync is 100% an AMD creation. NVIDIA can obviously do the same thing, but that will create yet another standard. Do you really want another standard? A standard that will require a whole new spate of monitors with support for the NVIDIA vendor-specific HDMI extensions, but naturally not support the AMD vendor-specific extensions.
Ryu Connor wrote:The FreeSync 2 HDR stuff is a mess. Not only does it not adhere to HDR10 or Dolby Vision, it's effectively an enhanced sRGB, it also requires the game or app to tap into the FreeSync HDR API in the AMD drivers.
You're right, NVIDIA could do that too, but.. wait for it.
It would create yet another standard.
LostCat wrote:All that open source code for their game tech vs PhysX/Gameworks kinda speaks for itself.