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Undervolt less stable and more aggressive throttling with Windows 10 + XTU update

Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:32 pm

I wasn't exactly sure where to post this as it does cover mobile, CPU undervolting, Windows 10 update and XTU update.

Previously I was running on a -69 mV undervolt for the core and cache of my laptop's i7-4500U on Windows 10 1809 version, using XTU 4.4.

I updated to Windows 10's 1903 version with the "remove apps and settings but keep files" as the straight upgrade wouldn't work for some reason. Then XTU 4.4 refused to install, something about a specific file not executing, so I installed the latest XTU version.

Right now I am stuck at -59 mV undervolt for the CPU, and still finding a stable undervolt for the cache (already below -60 mV). I also noticed that according to XTU, thermal throttling kicks in at 80C and more frequently compared to previous Windows 10 version. Maybe its the driver interactions, as I did notice three devices/components in "Device Manager" are lableled as unknown with missing drivers compared to the previous Windows version that only had one unknown device. It is a 5 year old laptop, and I recall that years ago, the OEM stated that Windows 10 version 1607 were not supported for my laptop model (aka "plz buy our newer laptop instead" marketing).

I've also tried Throttlestop, but it seems the loss of undervolt stability also carried over. I could use Throttlestop to disable thermal throttling, but that means disabling Core Isolation's memory protection as the developer said they lacked the resources to make the program compliant with Windows 10's security requirements.
 
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Re: Undervolt less stable and more aggressive throttling with Windows 10 + XTU update

Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:41 pm

The Spectre and Meltdown mitigations have caused plenty of overclocking headaches, particularly the OS-level Intel microcode updates which have prevented HEDT overclocking at all in KB4346084 and KB4100347 included in build 1809+. Apparently this issue only occurs when the updated microcode does not match the BIOS microcode, and of course by now these systems are so old that they are no longer receiving BIOS updates.

It is not surprising that older versions of XTU would specifically be blocked, considering how infested they were with severe security vulnerabilities.

I understand the desire to keep a laptop running cool but that large Google datacenter study on normal error rates even at stock voltages was pretty eye-opening.
 
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Re: Undervolt less stable and more aggressive throttling with Windows 10 + XTU update

Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:49 pm

bfg-9000 wrote:
Apparently this issue only occurs when the updated microcode does not match the BIOS microcode, and of course by now these systems are so old that they are no longer receiving BIOS updates.


The last BIOS update was from 2015 for that laptop, about the time when the OEM recommended to not upgrade to the Windows 10 Anniversary version.
 
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Re: Undervolt less stable and more aggressive throttling with Windows 10 + XTU update

Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:06 pm

bfg-9000 wrote:
The Spectre and Meltdown mitigations have caused plenty of overclocking headaches


So just an update, I used InSpectre to disable both mitigations and reinstalled XTU, but that didn't seem to do a whole lot. And I learned that apparently the CPU core stable voltage is less than -50mV after experiencing a crash at -52mV, far less than the original -69mV.

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