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just brew it! wrote:How sure are you that the temperature reading is accurate? Is the CPU throttling?
just brew it! wrote:Has it been running at stock its entire life, or did it spend a lot of time overclocked? If it has been pushed hard for many years it may have sustained internal damage to the silicon itself which is raising power dissipation.
As others have noted, attempting to de-lid a CPU with a soldered IHS is a very risky undertaking.
cegras wrote:Any software reading of temperature is most likely going through one "Winbond" chip, so several software readings corroborating don't mean much. The only way to get a real reading is with a thermocouple.
The Egg wrote:Did you happen to update your BIOS recently? I had a P5Q Pro with a BIOS bug which caused it to misreport the temp about 20C too high. I knew it had to be some kind of error, and waited it out until the next revision, which magically fixed the problem.
Takeshi7 wrote:just brew it! wrote:Has it been running at stock its entire life, or did it spend a lot of time overclocked? If it has been pushed hard for many years it may have sustained internal damage to the silicon itself which is raising power dissipation.
As others have noted, attempting to de-lid a CPU with a soldered IHS is a very risky undertaking.
I don't know how this processor was treated by the previous owner, but I ran it at 4 GHz for a while because the temperature difference was minor, but it's just been so hot I turned it back to stock because it felt safer. Also I will have access to a hot air resolder work station, so hopefully that will make the procedure less risky. If not, I'll just put a spare Q9400 in the motherboard.
Takeshi7 wrote:The Egg wrote:Did you happen to update your BIOS recently? I had a P5Q Pro with a BIOS bug which caused it to misreport the temp about 20C too high. I knew it had to be some kind of error, and waited it out until the next revision, which magically fixed the problem.
I updated the BIOS when I got the motherboard. It's the newest BIOS available for the board. That's very interesting because the motherboard I have is the Asus P5Q. I wonder if Asus fudged the numbers.
chuckula wrote:So we're talking about a Pentium 4 EE chip?
I see my time travel experiment has been a success!
Invest in Apple and Nvidia stock guys!
The Egg wrote:Hmm......is this a recent "new" build? If so, it could very well be the same bug I encountered, and you might try a few different BIOS revisions to see the results.
If it's an old build and you've been running the same config/BIOS for multiple years, it's something else. In either case, though, I question the accuracy of the temp reporting.
Takeshi7 wrote:It is an old build, and i've been running this BIOS since I got it. Temps have always been awful, but it has always worked. It just makes me so nervous every time I see the temps so high.
Takeshi7 wrote:If not, I'll just put a spare Q9400 in the motherboard.
techguy wrote:Anything can go bad. If you're tried multiple coolers, replaced the thermal paste, and checked the seating for good contact then I think you may be on the right track with your theory. As far as fixing it goes, you could always fry it up in a pan to reflow the solder! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf2KaYIR2A4
note: no promise this will work for you
The Egg wrote:Takeshi7 wrote:It is an old build, and i've been running this BIOS since I got it. Temps have always been awful, but it has always worked. It just makes me so nervous every time I see the temps so high.
Soooo......did it just recently begin running hotter, or having other problems? I'm confused as to why you're suddenly concerned 10 years later.Takeshi7 wrote:If not, I'll just put a spare Q9400 in the motherboard.
I try not to give people too much trouble about running older hardware, but why on earth would you still be using a Netburst chip when you have a drop-in C2Q just laying around?
Takeshi7 wrote:Also I built this PC specifically to be a maxed out Netburst machine. The spare C2Q came with the motherboard.
Takeshi7 wrote:Also I built this PC specifically to be a maxed out Netburst machine. The spare C2Q came with the motherboard.
Forge wrote:Man, I guess I suffered more during the NetBurp era than you did. I literally have a desk drawer full of Pentium Ds and late model Presshots, and I'm happy knowing that they rot silently, hurting no one. I wasn't allowed to talk about it at the time, but I remember clearly how terribly disappointed I was with the Prescott review kit. A Pentium 4 560, at 3.6GHz nominal speed (throttled constantly on the official HSF), and it was routinely outperformed by my Northwood 2.8C. Not by a little either, but by a lot.
Takeshi7 wrote:The Egg wrote:Takeshi7 wrote:It is an old build, and i've been running this BIOS since I got it. Temps have always been awful, but it has always worked. It just makes me so nervous every time I see the temps so high.
Soooo......did it just recently begin running hotter, or having other problems? I'm confused as to why you're suddenly concerned 10 years later.Takeshi7 wrote:If not, I'll just put a spare Q9400 in the motherboard.
I try not to give people too much trouble about running older hardware, but why on earth would you still be using a Netburst chip when you have a drop-in C2Q just laying around?
I've only had this build for about 9 months. I've always been sort of worried about the temps, but I figured I'd give it time to let the thermal paste cure or something.
Also I built this PC specifically to be a maxed out Netburst machine. The spare C2Q came with the motherboard.
The Egg wrote:Ah, I think I remember reading something about that. Not nearly old enough to be "cool" IMO, but to each their own.
Anyhow, yeah....you're likely seeing the same BIOS bug I encountered on the P5Q Pro, but which was apparently never fixed on the regular P5Q. You can mess around with older BIOS revisions if you want (maybe one will give you the correct number to ease your mind), but If you're running stock speeds with a decent HSF, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Doesn't sound like a critical system anyway.