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Waco wrote:What's the goal here? Higher all-core clocks?
Aranarth wrote:Sounds like you need a better cooler and more air going through the case.
Yes a 3950x is a lot of heat being generated but it should still be controllable better than that...
Waco wrote:Water is the trick.
Krogoth wrote:The much benefit of water is reducing noise level.
Waterblocks and heatpipes have similar thermal dissipation performance.
Krogoth wrote:Waterblocks and heatpipes have similar thermal dissipation performance.
Captain Ned wrote:Does your altitude play into that WRT radiator efficiency?
Redocbew wrote:Krogoth wrote:The much benefit of water is reducing noise level.
That was true 15 years ago, but now not so much.Waterblocks and heatpipes have similar thermal dissipation performance.
The difference is that water has a higher specific heat than air. If you put a bargain basement CLC up against a decent heatsink, then yeah you're probably not going to see much difference, but you can fix that by not buying crappy gear.
Krogoth wrote:There's a reason why water-cooling is pretty much limited to niches like HPC and hobbyist arenas.
Waco wrote:Krogoth wrote:There's a reason why water-cooling is pretty much limited to niches like HPC and hobbyist arenas.
Because crud like the above keeps getting posted?
Yes, you can technically get pretty close with monstrous coolers and a ton of properly-designed heat pipes...but really, it's hard to get there without spending more on copper/aluminum/heatpipes than you would on water.
Krogoth wrote:pumps(common failure point)
Krogoth wrote:Waco wrote:Krogoth wrote:There's a reason why water-cooling is pretty much limited to niches like HPC and hobbyist arenas.
Because crud like the above keeps getting posted?
Yes, you can technically get pretty close with monstrous coolers and a ton of properly-designed heat pipes...but really, it's hard to get there without spending more on copper/aluminum/heatpipes than you would on water.
You have to spend more quite a more on water-cooling with pumps(common failure point), piping and large radiator if you want to better noise and performance over air-cooling. This is before you get into the issues that plagued water-cooling with electronics. Electronics don't really like getting wet. You need to be more vigilant (Galvanic corrosion, potential mildew/bacteria growth, checking reservoir levels etc) Only hobbyists and HPC-types are willing to deal with these annoying issues.
WIth air-cooling you only have to deal with fan failures and cleaning dust bunnies.
Redocbew wrote:"Air cooling works just as well as water cooling"
"Why?"
"Water is annoying."
Hmm...
Waco wrote:Congrats to all on derailing this thread entirely.
Krogoth wrote:It is because water-cooling is more restrictive in surface area since you cannot immerse electronics in it unlike air (which is technically immersive cooling). The surface area budget is more restrictive with water-cooling plus you have all of the annoying issues.
Waco wrote:Krogoth wrote:pumps(common failure point)
Funny, my D5 is nearly 20 years old.
Yes, air cooling is easier and can be cheaper depending on what your definition of quiet is and how much heat you're trying to dissipate. That's it, water wins in early every other metric. You may not like it and that's fine, but water is better for cooling.
Krogoth wrote:The problem is that somewhat small difference isn't worth the opportunity cost for the majority of customers. Most CLC units on the market are just subpar and often have the same thermal performance as any decent air-cooling solution but cost quite a bit more while being stuck the potential faults of water-cooling.
Waco wrote:Krogoth wrote:The problem is that somewhat small difference isn't worth the opportunity cost for the majority of customers. Most CLC units on the market are just subpar and often have the same thermal performance as any decent air-cooling solution but cost quite a bit more while being stuck the potential faults of water-cooling.
CLCs are far more prevalent and performant than you're implying and they have nowhere near as many issues as you are alluding to. They're also cheaper than high-end air coolers in many cases...
Krogoth wrote:Waco wrote:Krogoth wrote:The problem is that somewhat small difference isn't worth the opportunity cost for the majority of customers. Most CLC units on the market are just subpar and often have the same thermal performance as any decent air-cooling solution but cost quite a bit more while being stuck the potential faults of water-cooling.
CLCs are far more prevalent and performant than you're implying and they have nowhere near as many issues as you are alluding to. They're also cheaper than high-end air coolers in many cases...
CLC units are more expensive then the air-cooling competition (Noctuas are overpriced outliers). Most CLC units are fad sells (Like current RGB cancer) that are being bought by the new generation of kiddies/progamers who haven't experienced the headaches of water-cooling. Enermax had a bunch of QC issues over a year ago (recalled/resigned their stuff as a result) while Corsair CLCs has been a mixed-bag throughout the years.
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