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Considering first SSD

Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:07 pm

Hello all. I am considering getting my first SSD. I am unsure however whether I should try to get a bigger drive or a drive just big enough to put the OS on and use a secondary drive for programs to run through the OS. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
 
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Re: Considering first SSD

Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:12 pm

My thought is that if this is your first SSD, you'll be floored by the performance and not want to have a spinning disk ever again, unless it's strictly for archiving large files.

I'd get the highest size I can afford, and really the 400/480/512GB drives have come to very reasonable prices. I wouldn't go lower than that for OS and some applications/games.
 
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Re: Considering first SSD

Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:18 pm

What machine is this for?

If it's for a desktop, I like to use a 240GB SSD as the boot/apps drive, and a hard drive just for data and media (cheaper per GB). Windows and my apps will benefit very noticeably from an SDD, and games will as well (I don't personally game), but my photos and movie rips won't.

If it's for a laptop, I'd rather bite the bullet and buy a large SSD (over 240GB, if necessary), and not have any HDD - remember that SSDs are not only faster, but they also save power, don't vibrate, and make no noise (which is noticeable in laptops - even my Core 2 laptops are quieter, since I only have the fan kicking in periodically). A laptop without a spinning HDD can take a lot more drop-abuse without anything failing, for one. That said, if your laptop can take 2 drives (i.e. you have a 2.5" slot, and also put a drive in the DVD bay, you have a 17" laptop with 2.5" bays, or you have an MSATA or M.2 slot), running SSD + HDD is a viable option.
 
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Re: Considering first SSD

Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:41 pm

SSDs are great. You will see a major performance increase in getting one. Well worth it.
 
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Re: Considering first SSD

Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:54 pm

toki wrote:
Hello all. I am considering getting my first SSD.



My first thought is..... DOOOD!!! What has taken you so long? SSDs are the best upgrade that has come along in a quite a while. Enjoy the boost. :D
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Re: Considering first SSD

Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:59 pm

lol. Yeah, from what I have seen all over the place the SSD would be a nice addition. Also, this is for a desktop. I will be using it hyperspin and some video apps mainly. I just wasn't sure if should just put those apps on a different hard drive and just get an SSD big enough for windows boot drive. Thanks for the suggestions so far.
 
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Re: Considering first SSD

Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:00 pm

There's just no going back. If you do get the SSD, you'll never again want to go anywhere near a mechanical-drive-only machine. Most of my SSD machines also have a large mechanical drive that I use for backup and stuff I access rarely (or don't care how long it takes when I do access it).
 
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Re: Considering first SSD

Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:07 pm

get one the size of the OS + size of all the games you actually play and programs you use (games and programs you use not just own) + about 50%

so around 20gb for OS + (for example) 100gb for games and programs + 50% = get a 240gb drive

it all depends on how much games and programs you use imo, if you have a 500gb drive now and barely use it all then there isnt much point going for a massive one, on the other side of that if you have a 4tb drive and its full of games and programs you use all the time then get the biggest one you can

keep a normal hdd for storage of things like movies and music and whatever else doesnt depend on drive speed
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Re: Considering first SSD

Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:45 pm

I am on the other side of the camp. SSDs are decent...certainly speed up some things noticeably but other things they are hardly faster than mechanical at all. For example path of exile loads and runs much better on my SSD, but around 95% of my games barely benefit at all. I have had an SSD for probably over a year now and I only put/keep things on it that can use it well. I've used 100 gigs of space.

Honestly I was expecting a lot more when I got it. Perhaps it's because I have multiple hard drives and I spread things around or because I don't play storage demanding games?
 
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Re: Considering first SSD

Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:16 pm

odizzido wrote:
Honestly I was expecting a lot more when I got it. Perhaps it's because I have multiple hard drives and I spread things around or because I don't play storage demanding games?


You're correct. Games don't always benefit much from an SSD. Some do, some don't. But the general speed/snappiness increase in boot up and general applications is/was tremendously noticeable to me when I got my first SSD.
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Re: Considering first SSD

Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:10 pm

These days I'd avoid 120/128 GB drives-they are disappointing-perhaps with the exception of Samsung drives,but when you look at the price
it's not much extra to jump to a 240/256.
Samsung 850 evo-Crucial BX100-Transcend 370, are decent mid-range drives...................
Personally I'd avoid TLC unless it's Samsung or Sandisk....................................
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Re: Considering first SSD

Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:21 pm

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Personally I'd avoid TLC unless it's Samsung or Sandisk....................................

I'd avoid the non-V-NAND Samsung stuff as well.
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Re: Considering first SSD

Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:52 pm

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toki wrote:
Hello all. I am considering getting my first SSD.



My first thought is..... DOOOD!!! What has taken you so long? SSDs are the best upgrade that has come along in a quite a while. Enjoy the boost. :D


I didn't upgrade until just after Thanksgiving because I'm cheap and the drives I felt would be big enough were too spendy. That plus switching to UEFI boot was a serious performance boost.
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Re: Considering first SSD

Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:59 pm

Look at Intel SSDs in the 240GB range.

People are pretty high on the Samsung Evo 850 line, and the 256 - 500GB drives are pretty cheap. As people have mentioned, Samsung has been spotty with their quality.
 
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Re: Considering first SSD

Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:03 pm

Generally an SSD is from 4X to 150X faster at info retrival depending on the type and location of data.
Here are my results with a old AMD X2 and a newer I5 4590 with the same Intel 530 SSD. Not the fastest but solid as a rock. The newer (530s are now ~$175) Intel 535 SSD is ~ $100 for a 240GB and ~$150 for a 480GB on Newegg and Amazon. You will find that Intel has a terrific reliability and compatibility (works with AMD) reputation.

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Re: Considering first SSD

Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:55 pm

Flatland_Spider wrote:
Look at Intel SSDs in the 240GB range.


I would say that the Sandisk Extreme Pro is worth a look. Speeds right up there with the best, MLC and a 10 year warranty for about the same price.
 
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Re: Considering first SSD

Mon Mar 14, 2016 11:18 pm

I'd recommend a 480/500GB SSD. These can be found for $100-$130 (USD) on sale. It's really not that bad.

I bought my first SSD, a 120GB Vertex 3 back in the day (2010) for $180. I had/have a 2TB spinner to house my pictures/videos/music/documents/etc. That lasted me all the way up till a year ago when I bought my 500GB SSD for $130....my how times have changed. I need the larger size for the ridiculous size of modern games (~40GB each). That said, my parents are still doing just fine with their 90GB SSD and have EVERYTHING on it.
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Re: Considering first SSD

Mon Mar 14, 2016 11:25 pm

I would say try to get something with MLC nand preferably, and around the 480GB to 512GB range in capacity, also check warranty 3 years for sure, more is better.
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Re: Considering first SSD

Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:54 am

Nobody here is wrong, but if you have no SSD at the moment just get ANYTHING. Even the Intel that I bought in 2008 which is a joke compared to a modern SSD would be ten times faster than the ridiculously outdated mechanical drives you're using; They are for sequential storage and archiving for me, nothing more. I actually keep old SSD's lying around so that if someone comes to me with a personal laptop that needs a lot of work, I can clone the disk onto SSD - work on the laptop using the SSD, and then either sell them the SSD or clone it back. Despite all that extra work It's *still* a significantly better use of my time than working directly on an OS dependent on mechanical storage!

As for size, don't buy anything larger than you need because by the time you decide you need more space, drives will be cheaper; I paid £400 for a 160GB drive when an 80GB would have been big enough and by the time I used more than 80GB I could have bought a 120GB drive for £100 Likewise, I needed more than 250GB in my laptop eventually so I bought a 960GB for around £350 a couple of years ago. Now I can get the same capacity for half that and I'm still using only 300GB.

If you're running windows and applications only, a 240-256GB drive will be fine and you can get those from the 'egg for $58 with free shipping.
Get your foot on the SSD ladder first, and then once you've had a chance to see what it offers, decide how much SSD space you really want and whether you're prepared to spend on a 1TB drive or not.
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Re: Considering first SSD

Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:08 am

Chrispy_ wrote:
Nobody here is wrong, but if you have no SSD at the moment just get ANYTHING.


That doesn't use a Sandforce controller unless it's used in a read heavy application for serving up lots of text files.

Deanjo wrote:
I would say that the Sandisk Extreme Pro is worth a look.


I haven't looked at those. I've lumped them in with Mushkin and OCZ.

Also, the Corsair Neutron GTX with it's LAMD controller is a good drive.
 
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Re: Considering first SSD

Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:50 am

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Chrispy_ wrote:
Nobody here is wrong, but if you have no SSD at the moment just get ANYTHING.


That doesn't use a Sandforce controller


Nope, I really did mean ANYTHING. Sandforce drives may not be the cutting edge anymore but the real world difference between a Sandforce drive and any other budget SSD is minimal, and they're frequently on sale at significant cost/GB advantages. I wouldn't actively choose a Sandforce drive myself but if the price was right I'd go for it, especially when you look at this chart:

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  • Most SSD's, including Sandforce drives are about 9x the performance of a typical mechanical drive.
  • The best SSDs are barely 10% faster than alternatives at half the price

Worrying about the difference between 9.2x faster than a hard disk, or 9.6x faster than a hard disk is irrelevant, when that person is still using a spinning hard disk. Clearly, they're still using a spinning disk because COST/GB is all that matters to them, another reason to only buy what you need for the short term future, because cost/GB improvements happen frequently in the SSD market.

For the record, the SSD's that score low are discontinued mistakes, most of them from Crucial, who had a habit of designing budget SSDs around their maximum capacity and then halving or quartering the number of channels used for lower capacities, which also halved or quartered the performance. They don't do that anymore*, thankfully.
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Re: Considering first SSD

Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:19 am

Chrispy_ wrote:
Nope, I really did mean ANYTHING. Despite being the slowest SSD on the market now, it's still an SSD with ballpark SSD performance that is in an utterly different league to all mechanical drives.


So true. The difference between any hard drive and any SSD simply cannot be overstated.
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Re: Considering first SSD

Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:58 am

I'm currently trying to convince a friend of mine who just bought an i5-650/16GB machine from his work for $60 to put an SSD in it. He doesn't know much about PC hardware, an OEM box buyer. Very interesting when we were talking last night and I mentioned that boot up time = 20 seconds, programs load >2x faster than an hdd, etc and was hit with a "meh, I'll think about it" It caused me to think back to when I got my first SSD (and the countless other people I've converted since) and although I knew all the benchmarks/statistics, the absolute seller was USING the same machine after the SSD upgrade. [Core2Duo at the time]
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Re: Considering first SSD

Wed Mar 16, 2016 12:13 pm

I recently bought a 1TB SSD to replace my 256GB SSD. I'd probably get by with a 512GB no problem, but I bought this drive not just for today me, but also for future me. Today me was very happy that past me bought a 256GB SSD instead of skimping out on it and getting an 128GB one, the extra space was most welcome in the 4 years that I used it. Seeing as how it had gotten cramped for me anyway, I thought I'd do future me a solid one and splurge for that which today me wanted anyways: a metric crap-ton of solid state storage. Of course it helped that the 1TB drive was cheaper than the 256GB drive was 4 years ago, so I didn't have much of a sticker shock

I say go all out and forget about the spinning platters, put those in the closest where they belong and use them for your porn/torrents home videos and backups
 
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Re: Considering first SSD

Wed Mar 16, 2016 12:17 pm

I'd get a single large SSD to start, then add additional SSDs if you need them. Back in 2013, I got a 256gb Samsung 840 for OS and games. Following year, I added a 500gb Samsung EVO, mostly for games. Unlike a regular spinning hard drive, an SSD isn't going to have a massive performance drop when you try to do multiple things on the same drive since they have so much bandwidth.

I'm waiting until PCI-E SSDs really hit their stride (maybe they have already?) and will get a 1TB one at that point and probably be done buying SSDs until one of them dies.

That all said, I'd skip Samsung drives. I'm still really annoyed at them for the EVO read speed problem that took them forever to acknowledge and fix. That said, there don't seem to be issues with the newer drives, and Samsung drives are normally cheapest for the most space. Eh. Even with that, I'd still probably try something else.
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Re: Considering first SSD

Wed Mar 16, 2016 3:44 pm

Ok, I hope I made the right decision. This is the SSD I bought from newegg http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Plus-120G ... B00S9Q9UKS. I hope I made the right decision. Now I just have to figure out how to set it up and prep everything on it/with it.
 
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Re: Considering first SSD

Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:24 pm

Hey, let us know how it goes. I've been curious about the SSD plus series - they're cheap, but I was having trouble finding controller info - which Sandisk usually lists (seems to be Silicon Motion here). If they're reliable, then they're nice alternatives to some of the old 160GB HDDs I deal with (that might be failure prone, this late in life).
 
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Re: Considering first SSD

Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:30 pm

toki wrote:
Ok, I hope I made the right decision. This is the SSD I bought from newegg http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Plus-120G ... B00S9Q9UKS. I hope I made the right decision. Now I just have to figure out how to set it up and prep everything on it/with it.


I think it depends on the OS you will be installing. With Windows 7 and later (maybe even Vista) you don't have to do anything special with the OS. Just install everything like you would on a regular mechanical drive. The OS will configure itself in the background with TRIM and to *not* defrag the SSD.

Now, if you're going to be transferring an old installation over to the SSD via some sort of cloning software then I *think* there is some manual work involved in re-configuring the OS for an SSD.
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Re: Considering first SSD

Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:39 pm

adampk17 wrote:
toki wrote:
Ok, I hope I made the right decision. This is the SSD I bought from newegg http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Plus-120G ... B00S9Q9UKS. I hope I made the right decision. Now I just have to figure out how to set it up and prep everything on it/with it.


I think it depends on the OS you will be installing. With Windows 7 and later (maybe even Vista) you don't have to do anything special with the OS. Just install everything like you would on a regular mechanical drive. The OS will configure itself in the background with TRIM and to *not* defrag the SSD.

Now, if you're going to be transferring an old installation over to the SSD via some sort of cloning software then I *think* there is some manual work involved in re-configuring the OS for an SSD.
I am going to be installing new. I am just unsure if I should format first, set it up as RAID? I saw that somewhere. And also, the previous comment above yours has me worried now. great
 
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Re: Considering first SSD

Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:43 pm

toki wrote:
am going to be installing new. I am just unsure if I should format first, set it up as RAID? I saw that somewhere. And also, the previous comment above yours has me worried now. great



The Windows installation process will take care of any formatting that is necessary. No, you don't want RAID. That is for 2 or more identical drives anyway. :)

Don't worry about that other comment.
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